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methdxman
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 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Luol Deng for Carmelo Anthony thought |
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| mnstrdnk wrote: | Not a huge fan of Melo but if the Thunders are looking to lower salary, would a Melo Deng swap make sense? He would come off the books next year instead of in 2 years like Deng?
Would Thunder rather have 2 years of Deng for 18 than Melo for 28 since he didn't seem to fit in? Would LeBron want to play with Melo?
Another thought, would a 3 way trade work?
Lakers- Kawhi. We want him
Spurs- Melo. Not sure how Pop feels about him or if money works out
Thunder- Deng. Might fit in better than Melo and need to lower salary |
LOL just stop. Holy (bleep). |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:04 am Post subject: |
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If I hear anymore Melo to the LAker trade theories I am going to  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:19 am Post subject: |
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If you said trade Deng for an expiring contract straight up (no picks) everyone would say yes.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Not a bad idea honestly, but I would worry LeBron would feel a sense of loyalty and not want him bought out. It'd be to humiliating for Melo. I absolutely don't want him on the team taking minutes or shots from anyone. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Deng/ 2nd for bazemore.
Deng helps them tank while bazemore helps us |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | Depending on who the Lakers can get this year, it might be a good idea as it frees up next year cap space... |
100% agreed. If u don't wanna come to the Lakers, ur brain dead. Look what happened to all that didn't come. Dwight Coward amounted to nothing, Carmelo, well thank someone upstairs for not signing that man, Mr No defense. New York did, and they got lucky to get rid of that mess. He opted in, cus NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE was gonna pay him that much. Now PG13. R u kidding me. I wanna stay in OKC, in Russ I trust, cus I cant carry a team. Having a cigar and party like he is gonna win something. They are finished. U got beat by Utah in the first round. Shown up by a rookie. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I would trade Deng and pick/young players for Hayward. Celtics may want to move his contract and play time for Tatum.
Randle, LBJ, Ingram, Hayward, Ball |
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| Zubolo wrote: | Another thought: Deng ($18m) to Denver for the one year deals of Faried, Arthur and Wilson Chandler (~$33m total) and a future 1st round pick
We save Denver $15m and several million more in luxury tax bearing in mind they just signed Jokic and Barton to massive contracts (deserverdly so) and are yet to sign Michael Porter and a decent backup point guard (Harris). Denver would likely be at least $20m over the tax rate. Doing this deal with us puts them at about $5m over.
For us, we add a future pick. We can then stretch out Darrell Arthur for 3 years at $2.5m. If we happen to sign Lebron, we will still have about $10m left over in cap space. This also factors in Randle's cap space.
Faried, Arthur and Chandler all expire after this year, creating the room we need to pursue Kawhi.
So this is what we'll have this year:
C - Lopez ($10m)/Zubac/Wagner
F - Lebron/Randle/Faried
F - Chandler/Kuzma/Svi
G - Ingram/Hart
G - Ball/Seth Curry (room exception)
At worst, we can offer Ingram, Denver's 2019 pick and our own future pick as well as Faried's expiring contract for Kawhi. |
I'm liking your thought process here...!
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unleasHell
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Carmelo could certainly contribute MORE than Deng and with the Thunder re-signing Paul George and Jerami Grant the Team-salary will be approx. $167mil next season. Which as a repeat offender will result in a luxury-tax bill of approx. $130mil!
Swapping Melo for Deng will save them $24mil next year but could cost them $32 mil the year after, I guess they could stretch him.
But, then again, Deng could probably help them off the bench as they have a bunch of kids as of right now..
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Zubolo wrote: | Another thought: Deng ($18m) to Denver for the one year deals of Faried, Arthur and Wilson Chandler (~$33m total) and a future 1st round pick
We save Denver $15m and several million more in luxury tax bearing in mind they just signed Jokic and Barton to massive contracts (deserverdly so) and are yet to sign Michael Porter and a decent backup point guard (Harris). Denver would likely be at least $20m over the tax rate. Doing this deal with us puts them at about $5m over.
For us, we add a future pick. We can then stretch out Darrell Arthur for 3 years at $2.5m. If we happen to sign Lebron, we will still have about $10m left over in cap space. This also factors in Randle's cap space.
Faried, Arthur and Chandler all expire after this year, creating the room we need to pursue Kawhi.
So this is what we'll have this year:
C - Lopez ($10m)/Zubac/Wagner
F - Lebron/Randle/Faried
F - Chandler/Kuzma/Svi
G - Ingram/Hart
G - Ball/Seth Curry (room exception)
At worst, we can offer Ingram, Denver's 2019 pick and our own future pick as well as Faried's expiring contract for Kawhi. |
Good work as usual Zu.
Don’t stretch Arthur. Going to need every bit of space next summer for Leonard.
And maybe, as crucifix suggested, you could flip Faried and Chandler to New Orleans for Cousins (one-year deal). If he tells NO he’s coming here no matter what, acquiring the expirings of Chandler and Faried, especially Chandler, may be appealing for them.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| dubaholic1 wrote: | | If I hear anymore Melo to the LAker trade theories I am going to |
Melo will never win anything, ever. He's a one way player, and streaky
at that...P A S S !
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:50 am Post subject: |
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He does NOT want to come off the bench, so if the Thunder kick him to the bench, he would prolly waive his no-trade clause and the Lakers could use him as a starter:
PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Melo
PF: LeBron
C: Randle
And for those of you into stats, consider this 2017/18 season comparison:
Deng: 0 games
Melo: 78 games
Deng: 0 ppg
Melo: 16.2 ppg
Deng: 0 rpg
Melo: 5.8 rpg
Deng: 0 apg
Melo: 1.3 apg
Deng: 0 FG%
Melo: 40.4%
Still not convinced? How about these numbers:
Deng: $32mil owed over 2 years
Melo: $27.9mil owed for 1 year
Deng: $16mil Cap Space in 2019/2020
Melo: $0mil Cap Space in 2019/2020
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| No, please. Furthermore, I think that OKC would never do this trade: if they want to pay less luxury tax, they can simply stretch Melo instead of taking Deng for two years. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | He does NOT want to come off the bench, so if the Thunder kick him to the bench, he would prolly waive his no-trade clause and the Lakers could use him as a starter:
PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Melo
PF: LeBron
C: Randle
And for those of you into stats, consider this 2017/18 season comparison:
Deng: 0 games
Melo: 78 games
Deng: 0 ppg
Melo: 16.2 ppg
Deng: 0 rpg
Melo: 5.8 rpg
Deng: 0 apg
Melo: 1.3 apg
Deng: 0 FG%
Melo: 40.4%
Still not convinced? How about these numbers:
Deng: $32mil owed over 2 years
Melo: $27.9mil owed for 1 year
Deng: $16mil Cap Space in 2019/2020
Melo: $0mil Cap Space in 2019/2020 |
This made me laugh. Very well done. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: |
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yes. but obviously will not happen
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Cocaine is one hell of a drug...Come on man  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Mathematically, does OKC benefit more by trading for Deng or stretching Melo? I have to believe it's the latter.
I saw something yesterday on The Jump that showed like $100M in tax savings if they stretch him. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Mathematically, does OKC benefit more by trading for Deng or stretching Melo? I have to believe it's the latter.
I saw something yesterday on The Jump that showed like $100M in tax savings if they stretch him. |
stretching him would be over 3 years no? 28/3 is better than 36/2 i would believe
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| It would have to be similar to the Denver trades but bigger size OKC is literally going to have to pay hundreds of million in luxury tax so if we relieve them of that they should give us three first round picks |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Mathematically, does OKC benefit more by trading for Deng or stretching Melo? I have to believe it's the latter.
I saw something yesterday on The Jump that showed like $100M in tax savings if they stretch him. |
stretching him would be over 3 years no? 28/3 is better than 36/2 i would believe |
They could also acquire and stretch Deng. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| DeeAgeaux wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Mathematically, does OKC benefit more by trading for Deng or stretching Melo? I have to believe it's the latter.
I saw something yesterday on The Jump that showed like $100M in tax savings if they stretch him. |
stretching him would be over 3 years no? 28/3 is better than 36/2 i would believe |
They could also acquire and stretch Deng. |
that would be over 5 years though if im correct.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:21 am Post subject: |
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He NO!!!
Melo on OKC guarantees PG regrets staying with OKC let them all become miserable |
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