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PHILosophize
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | none of our young core have superstar potential |
Brandon Ingram does, Lonzo has really good potential too |
we can agree to disagree on that
I'd say each of them has all-star potential at best
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24Legend007
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| I agree Troy, screw PG and nobody can even be mad at Lebron for wanting to win at the end. |
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GOODRICH25
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im a happy camper with Lebron signing here and us keeping Randle. keep Deng another year, trade him, then sign Kawhi. should have been plan A anyway
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24Legend007
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | none of our young core have superstar potential |
Brandon Ingram does, Lonzo has really good potential too |
we can agree to disagree on that
I'd say each of them has all-star potential at best |
Ingram might be the only one with superstar potential? But I agree with you for the most part. Hoping for Ingram is wishful thinking. I think he can get to 20/5/5 with a bock and steal per game. That is pretty good. |
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | none of our young core have superstar potential |
Brandon Ingram does, Lonzo has really good potential too |
we can agree to disagree on that
I'd say each of them has all-star potential at best |
Ingram might be the only one with superstar potential? But I agree with you for the most part. Hoping for Ingram is wishful thinking. I think he can get to 20/5/5 with a bock and steal per game. That is pretty good. |
In today's stat padding league those are barely all star numbers |
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24Legend007
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | im a happy camper with Lebron signing here and us keeping Randle. keep Deng another year, trade him, then sign Kawhi. should have been plan A anyway |
I think LA has to trade for Kawhi, you dont want another PG fiasco. |
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24Legend007
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| defense wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | none of our young core have superstar potential |
Brandon Ingram does, Lonzo has really good potential too |
we can agree to disagree on that
I'd say each of them has all-star potential at best |
Ingram might be the only one with superstar potential? But I agree with you for the most part. Hoping for Ingram is wishful thinking. I think he can get to 20/5/5 with a bock and steal per game. That is pretty good. |
In today's stat padding league those are barely all star numbers |
Well Im saying just this season. He can get a little better then that even. These are max stats for him this upcoming season. But he is stays healthy and the Lakers whiff on Lebron, I'd look for Ingram to have the chance for a great year. |
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GOODRICH25
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | im a happy camper with Lebron signing here and us keeping Randle. keep Deng another year, trade him, then sign Kawhi. should have been plan A anyway |
I think LA has to trade for Kawhi, you dont want another PG fiasco. |
its a different situation with Kawhi. it will depend on where he gets traded to and if he gets traded at all. but since he put an asterisk on himself by saying he will resign only in LA, which he shouldnt have done if he simply wanted to be traded away from SA, i fancy our chances as very good
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24Legend007
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | im a happy camper with Lebron signing here and us keeping Randle. keep Deng another year, trade him, then sign Kawhi. should have been plan A anyway |
I think LA has to trade for Kawhi, you dont want another PG fiasco. |
its a different situation with Kawhi. it will depend on where he gets traded to and if he gets traded at all. but since he put an asterisk on himself by saying he will resign only in LA, which he shouldnt have done if he simply wanted to be traded away from SA, i fancy our chances as very good |
If he goes to Philly or Boston I'd be worried. |
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Lebron is the one FA I wanted and we still have a shot. No matter what, we should cash out on some of our young players while the market is high on them. We missed a real opportunity with George, that was a huge mistake.
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Nobody is desperate and nobody isn't appreciating the players.
Wanting to sign genuinely great, HOF talents, is common sense. Especially when your whole plan was to do so.
To act like it will be fine if we strike out on everybody, is silly. A goal was set and now we have to reach it. |
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I think back on all the players who didn't sign with us in recent years and it really has been more of a blessing in disguise.
Whiteside's contract is one of the worst in the league right now.
Demar Derozan is hated in Toronto.
Lamarcus Aldridge will keep losing in San Antonio. Had we signed him, we likely wouldn't have gotten Ingram, Ball, Kuz, or Hart. |
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troy
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| 32 wrote: | | We haven't done anything desperate. We could have traded young assets for PG and we said no. |
But we may do that for Kawhi. I don't want to trade all our core for that guy. That's a desperate move right there. |
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YSong
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| I appreciated Vlade, Van Smack, Club Ced, Eddie Jones, AP, Christie .... see where I’m going with this? |
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Lakers great32
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| I want to keep the core together as well and I'm of the Kobe mindset of they want to be lakers they'll come forget them that don't want to come . |
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GOODRICH25
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | im a happy camper with Lebron signing here and us keeping Randle. keep Deng another year, trade him, then sign Kawhi. should have been plan A anyway |
I think LA has to trade for Kawhi, you dont want another PG fiasco. |
its a different situation with Kawhi. it will depend on where he gets traded to and if he gets traded at all. but since he put an asterisk on himself by saying he will resign only in LA, which he shouldnt have done if he simply wanted to be traded away from SA, i fancy our chances as very good |
If he goes to Philly or Boston I'd be worried. |
me too, but wed still have chances in that case
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WindyCityLakerFan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron is the one FA I wanted and we still have a shot. No matter what, we should cash out on some of our young players while the market is high on them. We missed a real opportunity with George, that was a huge mistake. |
So who would you have traded they offered Randle and both first rounders.
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troy
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| YSong wrote: | | I appreciated Vlade, Van Smack, Club Ced, Eddie Jones, AP, Christie .... see where I’m going with this? |
Vlade was a very capable scorer and consistently led his teams deep into the playoffs.
Van Exel was a proficient scorer and a former All-Star that could hit the 3 point shot.
Cedric Cebalos was a deadly scorer and once scored 50 points in a game
Eddie Jones was a former All-Star, an accurate 3 point shooter, and a shut down defender
Christie was a good defender and an efficient 3 point shooter.
That team didn't have competent coaching that would demand discipline, and they had no team leader that would get them on the same page.
With strong leadership and a focused coach, those Laker teams could have done much more. |
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trablos
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| troy wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | I appreciated Vlade, Van Smack, Club Ced, Eddie Jones, AP, Christie .... see where I’m going with this? |
Vlade was a very capable scorer and consistently led his teams deep into the playoffs.
Van Exel was a proficient scorer and a former All-Star that could hit the 3 point shot.
Cedric Cebalos was a deadly scorer and once scored 50 points in a game
Eddie Jones was a former All-Star, an accurate 3 point shooter, and a shut down defender
Christie was a good defender and an efficient 3 point shooter.
That team didn't have competent coaching that would demand discipline, and they had no team leader that would get them on the same page.
With strong leadership and a focused coach, those Laker teams could have done much more. |
And we did lol |
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GOODRICH25
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| YSong wrote: | | I appreciated Vlade, Van Smack, Club Ced, Eddie Jones, AP, Christie .... see where I’m going with this? |
yes. if we get the chance to sign 20 year old Kobe and prime Shaq, i absolutely see where youre going
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| WindyCityLakerFan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron is the one FA I wanted and we still have a shot. No matter what, we should cash out on some of our young players while the market is high on them. We missed a real opportunity with George, that was a huge mistake. |
So who would you have traded they offered Randle and both first rounders. |
I wanted them to offer Ingram or the first round draft pick, that might have gotten the job done. George was disappointed that we didn’t make a play for him, it had to be a factor in his decision.
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| We are Lakers fan who just want to win. It’s been 7 years about. I think we have the right to get excited and want superstars. We’ve done a great job drafting but doesn’t mean we have to build around them we drafted good to put ourselves up for potential deals to get guys like James and Leonard |
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Killakobe81
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can we please appreciate our young core and stop acting so desperate? |
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| troy wrote: | I never wanted PG here. I've wrote about that a few times. I don't want Lebron either. I could care less about Kwami and his injuries and bad attitude.
We have a good group of young players with good heads on their shoulders and no debilitating injuries. We have players at all positions (except maybe center) that show great potential. And yet...
Why are we desperate for PG, who has never won anything, got swept out of the first round last season and got owned by Joe Ingles, of all people?
Why are we desperate for KL, who was seriously injured, and we don't know if he still is, and who quit on his team?
Why are we desperate for Lebron, who's a male diva that demands everything be his way?
We're not winning any finals for the next few years anyway, why not enjoy seeing our young guys become stars? Maybe try for Klay Thompson next year. There will be some great players out there that we don't have to trade everybody to get. Why not try to make the playoffs this year and attract those players by showing them we have the potential to win.
I'm sick and tired of these low IQ fake stars humiliating my Lakers. PG talking sh*t now, posing with cigars in his mouth like he's worth a damn. I hate that guy with a passion.
Let's show some pride in our Lakers and stop acting so anxious for players to sign with us. We have a good team now, it will get better. Leave it be and be patient. Stop begging. Show some pride. |
1. Never bought in to PG as a max player ...on this we agree. Wish him well.
2. Agree that we should appreciate our core ...sure there may not be a bonafide no doubt about it superstar but championship teams need a good #2 , #3 etc to support a star and I think we have those with Ingram a chance to be a high level #2.PG is a mid-level #2 ...at best. |
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YSong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| trablos wrote: | | troy wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | I appreciated Vlade, Van Smack, Club Ced, Eddie Jones, AP, Christie .... see where I’m going with this? |
Vlade was a very capable scorer and consistently led his teams deep into the playoffs.
Van Exel was a proficient scorer and a former All-Star that could hit the 3 point shot.
Cedric Cebalos was a deadly scorer and once scored 50 points in a game
Eddie Jones was a former All-Star, an accurate 3 point shooter, and a shut down defender
Christie was a good defender and an efficient 3 point shooter.
That team didn't have competent coaching that would demand discipline, and they had no team leader that would get them on the same page.
With strong leadership and a focused coach, those Laker teams could have done much more. |
And we did lol |
Del Harris won COY |
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