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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:06 am    Post subject:

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He's not going to get 24 minutes...but I do see him getting 15-20 minutes a game.


I still have a hard time seeing 15-20mpg.

PG: split b/w Lonzo/Rondo
SG: split b/w KCP/Hart.
SF: BI takes 34mpg, leaves 14mpg.

I think LBJ/Kuz/Beez will also play some SF minutes as well as the PF spot is very crowded. Even if LBJ/Beez play 10-12mpg combined at center, still squeezes the minutes out (and no, Lance isn't playing PF).


I don't . He'll be part of the 2nd unit:

Kuz
Lance
Beasley
Rondo
Hart

I see Lance and Rondo setting up Beasley, Kuz and Hart. No one on this team IMO is going to play more than 32 mpg...and that would be LeBron.

There's a lot of Lance hate...I'm pulling for him and I expect he'll have a good year...I don't think Magic signed him before any other FA, for $4.3 million to ride the pine. It's not like he's a calming vet,, like Richard Jefferson or Channing Frye...I think he was signed to play and he will.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:27 am    Post subject:

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He's not going to get 24 minutes...but I do see him getting 15-20 minutes a game.


I still have a hard time seeing 15-20mpg.

PG: split b/w Lonzo/Rondo
SG: split b/w KCP/Hart.
SF: BI takes 34mpg, leaves 14mpg.

I think LBJ/Kuz/Beez will also play some SF minutes as well as the PF spot is very crowded. Even if LBJ/Beez play 10-12mpg combined at center, still squeezes the minutes out (and no, Lance isn't playing PF).


I don't . He'll be part of the 2nd unit:

Kuz
Lance
Beasley
Rondo
Hart

I see Lance and Rondo setting up Beasley, Kuz and Hart. No one on this team IMO is going to play more than 32 mpg...and that would be LeBron.

There's a lot of Lance hate...I'm pulling for him and I expect he'll have a good year...I don't think Magic signed him before any other FA, for $4.3 million to ride the pine. It's not like he's a calming vet,, like Richard Jefferson or Channing Frye...I think he was signed to play and he will.


This isn't Lance hate. It's about looking at the available minutes.

It'll have to come mostly from the SF spot, and LBJ/Kuz/Beez may have to play some minutes there too.

I think BI will play more than 32mpg, which directly affects Lance's minutes.

Lance though will be a capable backup for 3 positions if there are injuries.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:29 am    Post subject:

My point is that we have a surplus of players on the bench, which is probably a good problem to have as we were decimated with injuries last year. Someone is going to be unhappy. Whether that's Lance, or the other FAs, or even our young guys. SVI will probably criminally get few NBA minutes b/c of this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject:

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He's not going to get 24 minutes...but I do see him getting 15-20 minutes a game.


I still have a hard time seeing 15-20mpg.

PG: split b/w Lonzo/Rondo
SG: split b/w KCP/Hart.
SF: BI takes 34mpg, leaves 14mpg.

I think LBJ/Kuz/Beez will also play some SF minutes as well as the PF spot is very crowded. Even if LBJ/Beez play 10-12mpg combined at center, still squeezes the minutes out (and no, Lance isn't playing PF).


I don't . He'll be part of the 2nd unit:

Kuz
Lance
Beasley
Rondo
Hart

I see Lance and Rondo setting up Beasley, Kuz and Hart. No one on this team IMO is going to play more than 32 mpg...and that would be LeBron.

There's a lot of Lance hate...I'm pulling for him and I expect he'll have a good year...I don't think Magic signed him before any other FA, for $4.3 million to ride the pine. It's not like he's a calming vet,, like Richard Jefferson or Channing Frye...I think he was signed to play and he will.


This isn't Lance hate. It's about looking at the available minutes.

It'll have to come mostly from the SF spot, and LBJ/Kuz/Beez may have to play some minutes there too.

I think BI will play more than 32mpg, which directly affects Lance's minutes.

Lance though will be a capable backup for 3 positions if there are injuries.


I didn't mean you hated him Yin...lot's of others do. IMO the guys that will score will be Bron, Kuz, Ingram, Hart, Beasley and KCP...the facilitators or set up guys will be Ball, Rondo and Lance. Again, we'll have to wait and see..but that's what I think...and i think this is a second seed team in the West
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject:

I wouldn't say Lance is a "facilitator" per se. He can pass but the games I caught the Pacers, he can be a reckless passer too as he tries to be too flashy. But he likes to dribble and dribble. NYC player at his core. Could be a bit antithetical to the ball movement that Luke wants.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject:

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I wouldn't say Lance is a "facilitator" per se. He can pass but the games I caught the Pacers, he can be a reckless passer too as he tries to be too flashy. But he likes to dribble and dribble. NYC player at his core. Could be a bit antithetical to the ball movement that Luke wants.


I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I saw him set up Sabonis and Young multiple times...For us I see him running the floor and dishing or breaking down his man, driving and dishing.
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I wouldn't say Lance is a "facilitator" per se. He can pass but the games I caught the Pacers, he can be a reckless passer too as he tries to be too flashy. But he likes to dribble and dribble. NYC player at his core. Could be a bit antithetical to the ball movement that Luke wants.


I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I saw him set up Sabonis and Young multiple times...For us I see him running the floor and dishing or breaking down his man, driving and dishing.


He does, but it's a NYC game where you dribble and dribble and find a pass when you need to. I don't think his first instinct is to pass. I've watched him eagerly since his days with PG/West/Hibbert in Indy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject:

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There's a lot of Lance hate...I'm pulling for him and I expect he'll have a good year...I don't think Magic signed him before any other FA, for $4.3 million to ride the pine. It's not like he's a calming vet,, like Richard Jefferson or Channing Frye...I think he was signed to play and he will.

I don't see the Lance hate either. I think every Laker fan is pulling for him. How can we not? He is a Laker.. Personally, I would love to see him get the 6th Man of the Year Award. The situation is that the last couple of years have not been his strongest; it is clear that there are weaknesses in his game. If he plays good defense and hits his 3's, LA may throw him a parade.

There is a wide difference between talking responsibly about players and "hating them."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:04 pm    Post subject:

Nope, not hating. Just stating facts and stats that unfortunately point to Lance being a bad player and not being a homer who expect him to be good despite the data.

If he were actually good and people still criticized him then maybe that can be accused of hating. You don't see many posters here 'hating' on Rondo, Beasley or McGee, do you?

But if by some miracle he pulls a Tyreke Evans and rejuvenates his career somehow, return to his 2013 form, then I'd be just as ecstatic as everyone else.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject:

No Lance hate, just was always curious on

1. Where does he fit in with KCP/Hart/SVI/Ingram/Kuzma/LeBron on the wing
2. Other players available at the room exception (Brook Lopez, Cousins, Ed Davis etc)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:54 am    Post subject:

Depending on match ups I would like to see Lance play small ball PF. He has the strength, mentality and is stout enough to guard other smaller PF's.

He would be less of a defensive liability not having to guard scoring wings.

He could cause mis-matches on the offensive end using his quickness and handle especially being able to absorb contact in the paint and finish.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:03 am    Post subject:

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Lance is a strong defender and will help us this season!


Statistically the worst defensive guard in the league last season.


Very strong statement. Let's see the stats to back up this claim.


Here are some statistical sites that discuss Lance's defensive capabilities last year:

nba.com lists Lance as #331 of 540 nba players in terms of defensive win-shares. By the way, Lebron was #308. See page 7.

Also, nba.com lists Lance at #403 (of 540) in terms of defensive rating of 109 (see page 9). By the way, IT (also a guard) was #498 with a defensive rating of 113.9.

nba.com lists Lance at #357 in terms of defensive field goal percentage (47.7%). Surprisingly, IT was much better on this than Lance; IT had a score of 42.9%

ESPN Real Plus Minus lists Lance at #101 of 107 shooting guards using DRPM.

Page 5 of this thread has a quote of from Cranjis McBasketball that said that Lance was the worst guard for "perimeter defense" (which I believe is difference than "defense" since Cranjis gives both perimeter and interior defensive scores). The tweet where he stated this is found here.

Bottom line is that Lance was horrible. It is, however, very difficult to say that he was "the worst." "For all" statements are overly used on LG and are almost always incorrectly applied.


Thank you for the info.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:25 am    Post subject:

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Depending on match ups I would like to see Lance play small ball PF. He has the strength, mentality and is stout enough to guard other smaller PF's.

He would be less of a defensive liability not having to guard scoring wings.

He could cause mis-matches on the offensive end using his quickness and handle especially being able to absorb contact in the paint and finish.


He's stout but he's only 6'5. Not ideal if you're also going smaller with LBJ at center too.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=evAHdoSq-QE


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:53 pm    Post subject:

I'm a bit curious how Lance Stephenson and Mo Wagner get along this season. Two players born with an appreciation of, and talent for, getting under an opponent's skin. Could be very entertaining.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject:

I love Lance.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject:

I can't stand Lance, He's a ball stopper who doesn't play D.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject:

Definitely should not be our backup point
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:06 pm    Post subject:

He shot the ball well and brought a lot of energy, but the Lakers shouldn't ask him to be the primary ball handler. I want to see him after Lonzo returns.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Definitely should not be our backup point


Glad it was only the first game of pre season.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject:

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I can't stand Lance, He's a ball stopper who doesn't play D.


I agree
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject:

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I can't stand Lance, He's a ball stopper who doesn't play D.


Beasley and Lance just don't make sense with this team.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject:

Overddibbled, tried some missle passes in traffic and missed and open svi at the top of the three because he was dancing.

Missing and open svi is unforgivable. How dare he?!


He can't be left alone with rookies during the season. With rondo or LeBron at all times.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject:

I thought he was fine in the role he should be playing.

But I agree that role should not be primary ball handler.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject:

He was an insane -28 on the court.
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