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| How Many Wins/What Seed Do You See The Lakers Acheiving This Season? |
| A. 41 Wins or Less/Miss the Playoffs |
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| B. 42-44 Wins/8th Seed |
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| C. 45-49 Wins/6th to 7th Seed |
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16% |
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| D. 50-55 Wins/3rd to 5th Seed |
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65% |
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| E. 56 Wins or More/1st or 2nd Seed |
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16% |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7
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| Whats so strange about this outrage over these projections is that it's not based on numbers. Its based purely on the same advanced stats many here otherwise like to tout in separate and other debates. Even Pelton himself said he still expects the Lakers to outperform the projections which doesn't necessarily account for individual progression and fit with new teammates. But as stated previously, 50 wins is probably a good mark to shoot for. May or not happen. I would expect a slow start to the season as the team learns each other, everyone is finding their roles, and the young guys have to start learning how to win close games. I'm actually expecting it to be brutal early on, tbh (around .500 at Christmas). |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | I learned long ago not to bet against LeBron... |
Too bad, you would have made a lot of money doing so. Or betting on the Warriors. |
LMAOOOO |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Car54 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | textbook wrote: | | I'm usually not too surprised by ESPN's predictions. However, on this one, man, how could a team that added the undisputed best player in the NBA not make the playoffs? |
1) We've seen teams with the best player in the world miss the playoffs (Lakers with Kobe).
2) Last year the Cavs went 50-32.
It is hard to say how much better the Lakers support cast is compared to the Cavs.
What we do know, is that the West is significantly tougher than the East and that the Cavs last year wouldn't have got close to 50 wins if they played predominately West teams instead of East teams. |
It really isn’t. The west has two legit contenders ( Hou and GSW)and the east does too. Celtics and Toronto are better than any west teams not name
rockets or Warriors |
You don’t look at the best, you look at overall depth.
Other than GS and Houston, there are probably 8 or 9 teams in the West that would finish as the 3rd seed in the East. Other than TO and Boston, which team in East would make the playoffs in the West? |
Philly and bucks and Indiana I would think |
I did forget about Philly, but I doubt Indiana or the Bucks make the playoffs in the West.
Neither of those teams are better than the Nuggets, Lakers, Blazers, Thunder, Jazz, Rockets. |
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Goldenwest
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Here’s my prediction: espn to soon be replaced in popularity by up and coming, more credible sports organizations |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | LoL BSPN
My analysis. 35-47 last year. Team lost about 10 games where they had a lead and couldn’t close, comebacks happen but imagine if Lakers won 3-4 more games there.
Lonzo and BI missed quite a few games ... if they were both healthy maybe another 3-4 wins.
See what I’m getting at, last years squad could have won 41-43 games.
Add another year of experience for our young guys plus a bunch of solid vets sorry Brook no offense. And of course the arrival of the best player in the game.
This team is winning 55 games (+/- 2) |
The problem with this, is that it singles out LA as the only team that wins or loses close games. We didn't lose every close game last year, so your argument that we should have won those close games we were in last season also works in reverse. Its not a new thing that bad teams lose close games, and its not a Laker-only problem. Adding LeBron means we win more of those close games (which is evident by the belief that LeBron is good for about 15 games himself). So essentially, part of those games 15 games that LeBron is good for would include those close games that we would have otherwise have lost.
50 wins is probably the smart bet or smart goal for this team. |
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kawhileonard
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Goldenwest wrote: |
Here’s my prediction: espn to soon be replaced in popularity by up and coming, more credible sports organizations |
I wish, but it's doubtful. |
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ToastedMuffins
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| The thing that's shocking me with ESPN's projections is that they have 5 teams from the same division all making the playoffs. That isn't realistic considering they'll end up cannibalizing each others wins. Every in-division game is going to be a toss-up for any one of them meanwhile the Lakers are sitting in a division with the Suns, Kings, and Clippers 4 times each for 12 very likely wins. Wouldn't shock me if the Lakers end up with a better record than all 5 of those teams for that reason. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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1) Warriors -- 61 wins
2) Lakers -- 57 wins
3) Rockets -- 56 wins
4) JAZZ -- 51 wins
5) Thunder -- 49 wins
6) Nuggets -- 47 wins
7) Pelicans -- 44.1 wins
8) Timberwolves -- 43 wins
9) Blazers 42-- wins
10) Spurs 40-- wins |
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Buck BSPN...
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lukewaltonsdad
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| That's funny. Provided healthy, we won't finish worse than 5th. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Can we just start this season tomorrow. The anticipation of whats to come is killing me. I haven't been this excited for a season to start in a decade. |
I’m as excited as I am every season |
yep, i'm sure you were thrilled for the sacre, kelly, ellington days. |
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | I learned long ago not to bet against LeBron... |
Too bad, you would have made a lot of money doing so. Or betting on the Warriors. |
LMAOOOO |
He's right. LeBron is the embodiment of Thanos as a player, but GS is definitely the team version.
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Japago
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Laker fans need to stop with the conspiracy theories that news agencies are out to get the Lakers.
I'm not picking it to happen, I actually think this is a possibility. There are so many variables with this team. How good is the young core? Even if they are good, can they stay healthy? How good are the non-LeBron vets the Lakers signed? Could LeBron decline even a little bit, further limiting the Lakers' margin for error? A lot of bad answers to those questions could cause the Lakers to miss the playoffs.
The West is also just really, really good. Denver is a good, young team that missed the playoffs. The Lakers have to contend with 9 legitimately good teams to make the playoffs. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | | Laker fans need to stop with the conspiracy theories that news agencies are out to get the Lakers. |
Other than a brief comment or two, I've stayed out of this. People are overreacting to a freaking computer model by one guy at ESPN. That's fine. It's the offseason. But following up on your comment, there is a diversity of opinion at ESPN about how the Lakers are going to do this year. Pelton and his computer model are just one opinion. For example:
| Quote: | 4. How confident are you that the Lakers will make the playoffs?
Windhorst: I'm 50/50. Even LeBron is openly saying he thinks the Lakers will have tough "months." The concept that these guys "all know how to play basketball" or "all love to play" falls a bit hollow on these ears. That's quite the defense of the moves. That said, I recognize that what they are today may not be what they are in February.
Herring: I'm pretty much all-in on the Lakers making the playoffs, so long as LeBron stays healthy as he always has. I really don't like the rest of the moves the team has made this summer, as they seem to run counter to the direction the league has moved as a whole. But between the growth the young, core players should show and LeBron's greatness, I'd expect the Lakers to reach the postseason.
MacMullan: Let's do the math. Eight teams come out of the Western Conference, so let's count off the Warriors, Rockets, Thunder, Spurs, Blazers and Jazz. That leaves two spots among the Pelicans, Nuggets, Timberwolves, Clippers and Lakers. I'm bullish on Denver (see above), and the Pelicans flourished at breakneck speed once Boogie Cousins went down and Nikola Mirotic joined the band. The Timberwolves should be a playoff team ... right? It would seem that the Lakers are the odd team out -- except I've seen this movie before. So many times. LeBron will drag those young 'uns into the postseason kicking and screaming.
Pelton: Not all that confident, but I'll go into that more in the near future.
Arnovitz: Very confident. The cavalry of eccentric veterans on one-year deals isn't the greatest source of comfort, but a LeBron James-led team will qualify for the postseason, even in his 16th season and even in the rugged Western Conference. |
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24213280/nba-free-agency-trade-winners-losers-5-5-offseason-debate |
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really excited if BSPN thinks the Lakers will not make the playoffs. Now they thought the Lakers would make the WCF, then I would be worried.
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adding lebrons 15 mins
taking out randle + IT + lance + clarkson + lopez wins
i think its fair to say between 45-48 wins is alright and that might give us the 3-6 seeds since these are VERY close standings. |
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if the team was healthy they'd have probably finished above 40 wins last year.
I don't see why they wouldn't finish between 40-50 wins this year.
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| HOF Rookie wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Can we just start this season tomorrow. The anticipation of whats to come is killing me. I haven't been this excited for a season to start in a decade. |
I’m as excited as I am every season |
yep, i'm sure you were thrilled for the sacre, kelly, ellington days. |
Sure was, and this is my 40th. I’m not a front running fan.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | I learned long ago not to bet against LeBron... |
Too bad, you would have made a lot of money doing so. Or betting on the Warriors. |
Lots of season bets, not just the ring. Sure, GSW have had the better team but LBJ has been there for a while or has he not?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | I learned long ago not to bet against LeBron... |
Too bad, you would have made a lot of money doing so. Or betting on the Warriors. |
Lots of season bets, not just the ring. Sure, GSW have had the better team but LBJ has been there for a while or has he not? |
Would’ve won 67% of the time.
3-6
That’s what they call a value bet isn’t it? |
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| I see 52-53 wins out of this team. I think they could dominate the east this season. Maybe go 30-22 against the west. Two games better then the Thunder last year vs the west. |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | The thing that's shocking me with ESPN's projections is that they have 5 teams from the same division all making the playoffs. That isn't realistic considering they'll end up cannibalizing each others wins. Every in-division game is going to be a toss-up for any one of them meanwhile the Lakers are sitting in a division with the Suns, Kings, and Clippers 4 times each for 12 very likely wins. Wouldn't shock me if the Lakers end up with a better record than all 5 of those teams for that reason. |
It almost happened last season.
2017 - 18 Season
Houston 65 - 17 (Southwest)
Golden State 58 - 24 (Pacific)
Portland 49 - 33 (Northwest)
OKC 48 - 34 (Northwest)
Utah 48 - 34 (Northwest)
New Orleans 48 - 34 (Southwest)
San Antonio 47 - 35 (Southwest)
Minnesota 47 - 35 (Northwest)
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Denver 46 - 6 ((Northwest)
One additional loss for San Antonio and one more win for Denver would have had all five Northwest Division teams in the playoffs.
It did happen in the 2014 - 15 season with all five Southwest Division teams in the playoffs
2014 - 15 Season
Golden State 67 - 15 (Pacific)
Clippers 56 - 26 (Pacific)
Houston 56 - 26 (Southwest)
San Antonio 55 -27 (Southwest)
Memphis 55 - 27 (Southwest)
Portand 51 - 31 (Northwest)
Dallas 50 - 32 (Southwest)
New Orleans 45 - 37 (Southwest)
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OKC 45 - 37 (Northwest) |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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This is a prime example of LG/ESPN paranoia. For years, we have people saying ESPN is a Lebron media hype machine. This doesn't quite flow with that narrative, huh? They must hate the Lakers more than they love Lebron.
I don't think there is any agenda to prop Lebron, just like I don't think there is any agenda to hate the Lakers. They are just stupid, plain and simple. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I understand the outrage against such a prediction,
but wasn't ESPN very precise in predicting Lakers win total last two seasons?
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