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| epak wrote: | Rondo top minutes played lineups without Lebron over 10 mins.
Min: 35, NetRtg: +20.8 - .R. Rondo, .A. Davis, .K. Caldwell-Pope, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
Min: 22, NetRtg: +0.2 - .R. Rondo, .A. Davis, .T. Daniels, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
Min: 17, NetRtg: -8.1 - .D. Howard, .R. Rondo, .D. Green, .A. Davis, .K. Caldwell-Pope
Min: 16, NetRtg: -12.3 - .R. Rondo, .J. Dudley, .A. Bradley, .A. Davis, .A. Caruso
Min: 15, NetRtg: -16.7 - .R. Rondo, .J. McGee, .D. Green, .A. Bradley, .A. Davis
Min: 11, NetRtg: -14.7 - .D. Howard, .R. Rondo, .T. Daniels, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
I think Rondo + AD and 3 shooters can be effective. I dont think Rondo with Dwight or McGee will work. Hopefully we can see more of lineup 1. |
or just dont play him at all!
I'll take the defense trio of AD-Dwight-Caruso + 2 shooters all day over any Rondo lineup.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | epak wrote: | Rondo top minutes played lineups without Lebron over 10 mins.
Min: 35, NetRtg: +20.8 - .R. Rondo, .A. Davis, .K. Caldwell-Pope, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
Min: 22, NetRtg: +0.2 - .R. Rondo, .A. Davis, .T. Daniels, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
Min: 17, NetRtg: -8.1 - .D. Howard, .R. Rondo, .D. Green, .A. Davis, .K. Caldwell-Pope
Min: 16, NetRtg: -12.3 - .R. Rondo, .J. Dudley, .A. Bradley, .A. Davis, .A. Caruso
Min: 15, NetRtg: -16.7 - .R. Rondo, .J. McGee, .D. Green, .A. Bradley, .A. Davis
Min: 11, NetRtg: -14.7 - .D. Howard, .R. Rondo, .T. Daniels, .A. Caruso, .K. Kuzma
I think Rondo + AD and 3 shooters can be effective. I dont think Rondo with Dwight or McGee will work. Hopefully we can see more of lineup 1. |
or just dont play him at all!
I'll take the defense trio of AD-Dwight-Caruso + 2 shooters all day over any Rondo lineup. |
That's an option too. Although, there's only small sample sizes for lineups of Alex + Dwight + Davis + 2 bench guys. Most aren't good. Almost all bad.
Only one of those lineups being a net positive: .D. Howard, .A. Davis, .K. Caldwell-Pope, .Q. Cook, .A. Caruso @ 4 mins |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
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Rule: subject = Rondo, move to spam |
Your best post? It's up there.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
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Rule: subject = Rondo, move to spam |
Your best post? It's up there. |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
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Rule: subject = Rondo, move to spam |
Your best post? It's up there. |
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| Rondo is now shooting 17% of his 3's in last 12 gams. Even today, he might have had 10 assists, but also had 5 turnovers, a few completely awful possessions including one he didn't pass at all and then took a 3. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Rondo is now shooting 17% of his 3's in last 12 gams. Even today, he might have had 10 assists, but also had 5 turnovers, a few completely awful possessions including one he didn't pass at all and then took a 3. |
I think all we can want from rondo at this point is to not have a negative impact on the score. Judging him on anything else is going to get people mad haha |
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He's more a 2 good/great games, 8 bad/horrible games per 10 games kind of guy right now. Can't consistently have good games. His 3 point shooting was a nice but brief mirage.
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| I'm still waiting for word to come, perhaps later on in the season, saying that he was playing hurt. |
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Rondo looks like he's aged 5 years since last season. I thought the hate was overboard last season but man he's been bad this season. Guy looks like he can barely move.
Maybe Vogel is just giving him minutes to keep him engaged until the playoffs. I'm hoping he scales back his minutes in the 2nd half of the season. |
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I give Rondo crap on this thread, but I'll give him props for standing up for his teammates.
Bodying up the bigger Bobby Portis and punching CP3 are my favorite Rondo moments as a Laker so far.
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I'm sure I'm alone on this opinion, but I like having Rondo on this Lakers team. Here's why:
* He is our only true PG, and we need at least one PG to take the pressure off of Lebron
* He can move the ball round and get our big players shots (again, he's been slumping lately, so he hasn't demo'd this in a hot minute)
* When focused, he can hit the 3 point shot. He's just been in a slump lately, but that will pass.
* He has good basketball IQ. Fact, he'll make a great coach one day.
* He's scrappy, and brings an aggresive edge to our otherwise mellow team.
* He has championship experience and he's a veteran
* He plays well usually, but this has been clouded because (like Bradley and D. Green perviously) he's playing through a slump right now
* He's made some decent defensive plays this season
* He's actually an effective rebounder
No, Rondo is not an all-star calibur PG, but he does contribute to this team and, in my opinion, will bring alot to the table come playoff time. |
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I'm Ok with Rondo as a 3rd string PG behind someone like Collison. He is just too much of a net negative against good teams, and even against the bad ones, he was the orchestrator for the blown leads.
It happens to the best of them. Father Time sometimes takes a bit longer to catch up with greats like LBJ or Kobe, but it has certainly caught up to Rondo. Being 6'0 tall doesn't help either when his game was reliant in part on his whippet quickness and ability to turn the corner.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm Ok with Rondo as a 3rd string PG behind someone like Collison. He is just too much of a net negative against good teams, and even against the bad ones, he was the orchestrator for the blown leads.
It happens to the best of them. Father Time sometimes takes a bit longer to catch up with greats like LBJ or Kobe, but it has certainly caught up to Rondo. Being 6'0 tall doesn't help either when his game was reliant in part on his whippet quickness and ability to turn the corner. |
Yes. Treat him as a "break glass in case of injury" 3rd PG.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm Ok with Rondo as a 3rd string PG behind someone like Collison. He is just too much of a net negative against good teams, and even against the bad ones, he was the orchestrator for the blown leads.
It happens to the best of them. Father Time sometimes takes a bit longer to catch up with greats like LBJ or Kobe, but it has certainly caught up to Rondo. Being 6'0 tall doesn't help either when his game was reliant in part on his whippet quickness and ability to turn the corner. |
Yes. Treat him as a "break glass in case of injury" 3rd PG. |
That's def. his best role on this team. |
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I can actually see him in a playoff game, where the two PGs ahead of him are just having a bad night and Rondo has one of his "Playoff Rondo" moments.
But those moments will be fewer and far in between. But this is a team construction problem first, as Vogel has no other options at this point. Lakers need to address the backup PG position ASAP.
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I still dont get why people think its necessary to have floor general type point guards. Thats something of the past just like spending a bunch of money on a center. Our non-Lebron lineups have played much better overall without Rondo in them trying to save the day by over dribbling.
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| audioaxes wrote: | | I still dont get why people think its necessary to have floor general type point guards. Thats something of the past just like spending a bunch of money on a center. Our non-Lebron lineups have played much better overall without Rondo in them trying to save the day by over dribbling. |
Not only that. But people romanticize Rondo, thinking about his good days. Yes, he had a nice Chicago/Pels playoffs run. But he's also turning 34 in a month. As a 6'0 tall guard who relied on quickness, that can drop off a cliff real fast.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I can actually see him in a playoff game, where the two PGs ahead of him are just having a bad night and Rondo has one of his "Playoff Rondo" moments.
But those moments will be fewer and far in between. But this is a team construction problem first, as Vogel has no other options at this point. Lakers need to address the backup PG position ASAP. |
Absolutely, like you I just don't think he's a consistent minute player anymore. He has shown even this season he can still show glimpses of his past like most other players do once they are well past there prime. It's just those moments seem like they are coming less and less frequent.
If we do address it with hopefully Collison or someone else I just hope he doesn't pout because I actually do think he could be valuable on the bench as a spot player here and there and player/coach kind of role. |
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dont look now but Rondo has regressed back to the mean on this 3 point percentage... about where he was last year where he crippled our offense because defenses clogged the interior and dared him to shoot.
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| audioaxes wrote: | | dont look now but Rondo has regressed back to the mean on this 3 point percentage... about where he was last year where he crippled our offense because defenses clogged the interior and dared him to shoot. |
We should have kept GPII over Rondo |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Good pace today.
I think we should try to play faster when rondo is in. |
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