Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 11277 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject:
crucifixion wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
I respect all of you, but it’s funny as hell how an interview or two can change some of you all’s opinion of Rondo.
Just shows how misinformed and blind some of us are.
Still waiting for that first post from Baron after he realizes he was wrong about Rondo. Like many, after hearing his interviews, he too is probably questioning his lambasting of the Rondo signing after hearing the inner workings of Rondo’s mind and sensing the type of immeasurable intangibles that Rondo will add to the team.
Truth is, we’re all guilty of being wrong, and we’re all guilty of not being able to see or understand how pieces will fit until the hazy picture becomes more defined.
Some see and/or understand things quickly, some don’t.
👍🏿
Certain posters on here only look at advanced stats without actually watching the player play. They base their entire analysis of a player off of all encompassing advanced stats like RPM. A stat that the formula isn't available for the public and is created by a person who has bias for what they wanted to put value on to.
Best way to evaluate a player and how they fit for a team is to watch them play and to look at their Synergy data. All encompassing stats like RPM and WS/48 should only be used to back up what you already have seen.
Exactly. This is the whole reason for fights on DLo. Too many idiots just look at advanced stats without taking a step back and watch games and use common sense. So far the regular people have been proved right and advanced stats guys wrong. Not saying advanced stats guys are 100% wrong but you need to first build a baseline with the eye test then use advanced stats to break ties. Nothing more than that.
4 post comment thread consisting of nothing but bashing other posters. You are what’s wrong with LG and should all be suspended. Talk basketball or don’t post, so tired of having to read your crap posts.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
I love this. And everybody was so excited when we heard Lonzo is watching film an hour a week with Magic
I swear these young guys better learn from these vets. Especially bron and rondo.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
I love this. And everybody was so excited when we heard Lonzo is watching film an hour a week with Magic
I swear these young guys better learn from these vets. Especially bron and rondo.
They are two of the smartest minds in the entire league. Both guys call out what plays the other teams are going to run . If these young guys don't at least absorb a fraction of that through osmosis, then they're just not trying.
Excellent piece by Sam Smith (Chicago) from 6/30/17 on the Rondo experience for the Bulls. Lots of applicable stuff for his current situation with the Lakers.
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29152 Location: La La Land
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:40 pm Post subject:
lakerjoshua wrote:
crucifixion wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
I respect all of you, but it’s funny as hell how an interview or two can change some of you all’s opinion of Rondo.
Just shows how misinformed and blind some of us are.
Still waiting for that first post from Baron after he realizes he was wrong about Rondo. Like many, after hearing his interviews, he too is probably questioning his lambasting of the Rondo signing after hearing the inner workings of Rondo’s mind and sensing the type of immeasurable intangibles that Rondo will add to the team.
Truth is, we’re all guilty of being wrong, and we’re all guilty of not being able to see or understand how pieces will fit until the hazy picture becomes more defined.
Some see and/or understand things quickly, some don’t.
👍🏿
Certain posters on here only look at advanced stats without actually watching the player play. They base their entire analysis of a player off of all encompassing advanced stats like RPM. A stat that the formula isn't available for the public and is created by a person who has bias for what they wanted to put value on to.
Best way to evaluate a player and how they fit for a team is to watch them play and to look at their Synergy data. All encompassing stats like RPM and WS/48 should only be used to back up what you already have seen.
Exactly. This is the whole reason for fights on DLo. Too many idiots just look at advanced stats without taking a step back and watch games and use common sense. So far the regular people have been proved right and advanced stats guys wrong. Not saying advanced stats guys are 100% wrong but you need to first build a baseline with the eye test then use advanced stats to break ties. Nothing more than that.
4 post comment thread consisting of nothing but bashing other posters. You are what’s wrong with LG and should all be suspended. Talk basketball or don’t post, so tired of having to read your crap posts.
I agree. Attack the post, not the poster. But you kinda just did the same thing.
And now I'm analyzing you, the poster, as well. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I respect all of you, but it’s funny as hell how an interview or two can change some of you all’s opinion of Rondo.
Just shows how misinformed and blind some of us are.
Still waiting for that first post from Baron after he realizes he was wrong about Rondo. Like many, after hearing his interviews, he too is probably questioning his lambasting of the Rondo signing after hearing the inner workings of Rondo’s mind and sensing the type of immeasurable intangibles that Rondo will add to the team.
Truth is, we’re all guilty of being wrong, and we’re all guilty of not being able to see or understand how pieces will fit until the hazy picture becomes more defined.
Some see and/or understand things quickly, some don’t.
👍🏿
Certain posters on here only look at advanced stats without actually watching the player play. They base their entire analysis of a player off of all encompassing advanced stats like RPM. A stat that the formula isn't available for the public and is created by a person who has bias for what they wanted to put value on to.
Best way to evaluate a player and how they fit for a team is to watch them play and to look at their Synergy data. All encompassing stats like RPM and WS/48 should only be used to back up what you already have seen.
Exactly. This is the whole reason for fights on DLo. Too many idiots just look at advanced stats without taking a step back and watch games and use common sense. So far the regular people have been proved right and advanced stats guys wrong. Not saying advanced stats guys are 100% wrong but you need to first build a baseline with the eye test then use advanced stats to break ties. Nothing more than that.
4 post comment thread consisting of nothing but bashing other posters. You are what’s wrong with LG and should all be suspended. Talk basketball or don’t post, so tired of having to read your crap posts.
I agree. Attack the post, not the poster. But you kinda just did the same thing.
And now I'm analyzing you, the poster, as well.
Other than calling out Bard, I thought I was quite measured, but I understand you all’s points.
I will say though that criticism is a big part of people being here; it’s somewhat ingrained in this entire concept.
But I can easily concede that even criticism has its’ limits. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
Awesome stuff! I’ve always liked Rondo (not really, just when he became a Laker)
I've liked Rondo ever since he got to Chicago.
Conditioned to hate him for all those battles against the Celtics in the late '00s.
I've always respected his game and wished he was a Laker. I remember being on LG during his draft and a lot of knowledgeable posters here were getting excited as he wasn't drafted yet and it was getting close to our pick. Ironically he got drafted with a pick we had traded and we ended up with Farmar a few pics after.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
Awesome stuff! I’ve always liked Rondo (not really, just when he became a Laker)
I've liked Rondo ever since he got to Chicago.
Conditioned to hate him for all those battles against the Celtics in the late '00s.
I've always respected his game and wished he was a Laker. I remember being on LG during his draft and a lot of knowledgeable posters here were getting excited as he wasn't drafted yet and it was getting close to our pick. Ironically he got drafted with a pick we had traded and we ended up with Farmar a few pics after.
Worked out. Farmar helped the Lakers win 2 chips.
I hated Rondo in Boston.
I was apathetic towards him when he was in Sacramento and Dallas.
But when he got to Chicago and helped the Bulls be up 2-0 against Boston in the playoffs, I was impressed.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
Awesome stuff! I’ve always liked Rondo (not really, just when he became a Laker)
I've liked Rondo ever since he got to Chicago.
Conditioned to hate him for all those battles against the Celtics in the late '00s.
I've always respected his game and wished he was a Laker. I remember being on LG during his draft and a lot of knowledgeable posters here were getting excited as he wasn't drafted yet and it was getting close to our pick. Ironically he got drafted with a pick we had traded and we ended up with Farmar a few pics after.
Worked out. Farmar helped the Lakers win 2 chips.
I hated Rondo in Boston.
I was apathetic towards him when he was in Sacramento and Dallas.
But when he got to Chicago and helped the Bulls be up 2-0 against Boston in the playoffs, I was impressed.
For me, the Rondo pill was hard to swallow, he's always been a Celtic to me.
I'll admit, I've done a complete 180. Love the signing and can't wait for the season to start!
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter.
Last night I posted a couple of clips in the LeBron thread that showcased his basketball IQ. And here's some examples below of Rondo's, one being a story from Scalabrine, the other a short clip. He and LeBron are on a totally different level in the way they ”think the game” as LeBron puts it.
”After retirement, Scalabrine became an assistant for the Warriors. When he returned to TD Garden during a regular-season game, Scalabrine said head coach Mark Jackson shouted a call, “42 cross”, for his team. But it was a bluff. The Warriors didn’t have a “42 cross” in their playbook, and Rondo knew.
Per Scalabrine:
“Rondo looked at Mark, and then he looked in the air and said, ’42 cross, 42 cross,’ and then he looked back at Mark and said, ‘You don’t have a 42 cross.’ I was like, ‘How the hell did he just know that?’ Somehow, some way, he knew that. And they’re not a rival. It wasn’t a playoff series. It was an insignificant game during the middle of the week. He was the smartest player I’ve ever played with, and it’s not even close.”
_________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense. _________________ Under New Management
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Not just the hedging, but Cousins (or perhaps just the bad defensive chemisty of an oversized lineup) was the reason for Rondo's inferior numbers defensively. Rondo had a 113 DRtg w/Cousins, 102 without. He played 40% of his minutes w/ Cousins. Brook doesn't play as many minutes, nor is he defending much PnR action w/ Lonzo because KCP/Hart are the on-ball defenders.
If you're speaking of other metrics that equate rebounding directly to playing defense, and that value steals/blocks over staying in front of their man, we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of such a simple analytic.
“The first day when Rondo came, the first thing he did is ask, ‘Where’s your film guy.’ He had him pull film on every single player on our roster so he could start to study their tendencies.’”
Awesome stuff! I’ve always liked Rondo (not really, just when he became a Laker)
I've liked Rondo ever since he got to Chicago.
Conditioned to hate him for all those battles against the Celtics in the late '00s.
I've always respected his game and wished he was a Laker. I remember being on LG during his draft and a lot of knowledgeable posters here were getting excited as he wasn't drafted yet and it was getting close to our pick. Ironically he got drafted with a pick we had traded and we ended up with Farmar a few pics after.
Worked out. Farmar helped the Lakers win 2 chips.
I hated Rondo in Boston.
I was apathetic towards him when he was in Sacramento and Dallas.
But when he got to Chicago and helped the Bulls be up 2-0 against Boston in the playoffs, I was impressed.
If Rick Fox can become a beloved laker......so can Rajon.
I am just wondering how we fit him under our cap NEXT year.....it looks like it will be extremely tight
For me, the Rondo pill was hard to swallow, he's always been a Celtic to me.
I'll admit, I've done a complete 180. Love the signing and can't wait for the season to start!
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Not just the hedging, but Cousins (or perhaps just the bad defensive chemisty of an oversized lineup) was the reason for Rondo's inferior numbers defensively. Rondo had a 113 DRtg w/Cousins, 102 without. He played 40% of his minutes w/ Cousins. Brook doesn't play as many minutes, nor is he defending much PnR action w/ Lonzo because KCP/Hart are the on-ball defenders.
If you're speaking of other metrics that equate rebounding directly to playing defense, and that value steals/blocks over staying in front of their man, we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of such a simple analytic.
I think you’re exaggerating how much Lonzo is off the ball. Defensive rebounding is a huge part of defense, it’s how you end the opponents possession. Same can be said for steals.
Staying in front of your man is important but it doesn’t end a possession. Getting a steal or a rebound does. I value off ball team defense and ability to guard multiple positions more than being able to keep PGs in front especially when considering Lonzos ability to recover and contest shots when he gets beat.
I also think you’d be surprised by Lonzos defensive numbers on the ball. They aren’t bad at all. I’m not just looking at analytics, I’m watching the games and Lonzo is more disruptive than Rondo and can guard more positions because of his size. I agree that Rondo is more adapt at keeping PGs in front of him.
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Not just the hedging, but Cousins (or perhaps just the bad defensive chemisty of an oversized lineup) was the reason for Rondo's inferior numbers defensively. Rondo had a 113 DRtg w/Cousins, 102 without. He played 40% of his minutes w/ Cousins. Brook doesn't play as many minutes, nor is he defending much PnR action w/ Lonzo because KCP/Hart are the on-ball defenders.
If you're speaking of other metrics that equate rebounding directly to playing defense, and that value steals/blocks over staying in front of their man, we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of such a simple analytic.
while i agree to an extent that rondos defense isn't as bad as numbers make them look
the reason his def rtg was 102 without cousins is because the vast majority of those minutes were with holiday and davis
his defensive rtg with davis off the floor, after cousins got injured, was the worst on the team for all players with davis off the floor.
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Not just the hedging, but Cousins (or perhaps just the bad defensive chemisty of an oversized lineup) was the reason for Rondo's inferior numbers defensively. Rondo had a 113 DRtg w/Cousins, 102 without. He played 40% of his minutes w/ Cousins. Brook doesn't play as many minutes, nor is he defending much PnR action w/ Lonzo because KCP/Hart are the on-ball defenders.
If you're speaking of other metrics that equate rebounding directly to playing defense, and that value steals/blocks over staying in front of their man, we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of such a simple analytic.
one thing about rondos defensive numbers is he is kind of a lazy rs defender, at least compared to the intensity of his defense in the playoffs (bigger jump than normal)
but lonzo projects to be a better defender next year because switchability effort consistency size etc. iirc he is among the league leaders in things like deflections per game, and his new muscle will only help his defense beca used his problem was he got bullied a lot last year
there is the element that rondo can call out opposing plays and communicate on defense better than lonzo can probably.
while i agree to an extent that rondos defense isn't as bad as numbers make them look
the reason his def rtg was 102 without cousins is because the vast majority of those minutes were with holiday and davis
his defensive rtg with davis off the floor, after cousins got injured, was the worst on the team for all players with davis off the floor.
And yet curiously, after the Cousins injury, the team was better during the minutes that Davis/Rondo played together w/o Holiday (+8.1) than when Davis/Holiday played while Rondo sat (+6.8).
one thing about rondos defensive numbers is he is kind of a lazy rs defender, at least compared to the intensity of his defense in the playoffs (bigger jump than normal)
but lonzo projects to be a better defender next year because switchability effort consistency size etc. iirc he is among the league leaders in things like deflections per game, and his new muscle will only help his defense beca used his problem was he got bullied a lot last year
there is the element that rondo can call out opposing plays and communicate on defense better than lonzo can probably.
Playoffs are better for Rondo because he can really study a team in-depth playing them in a series, as opposed to the grind of the regular season.
Lonzo should start, as we already have a very good on-ball defender in KCP (or Hart). I agree with the switchability benefit of playing him over Rajon and that deflections are an underrated statistic. He will be better over the course of an 82 game season, but there may be matchups in the postseason, or at the end of games where Rondo is the better choice; especially if Lonzo only hits 33% on spot ups again.
while i agree to an extent that rondos defense isn't as bad as numbers make them look
the reason his def rtg was 102 without cousins is because the vast majority of those minutes were with holiday and davis
his defensive rtg with davis off the floor, after cousins got injured, was the worst on the team for all players with davis off the floor.
And yet curiously, after the Cousins injury, the team was better during the minutes that Davis/Rondo played together w/o Holiday (+8.1) than when Davis/Holiday played while Rondo sat (+6.8).
Did you get that from nbawowy? Because nbawowy was extremely glitched for this past season, just wondering
Unless, Ball becomes the knockdown shooter he was at UCLA, Rondo should start.
I fully expect Rondo to play well this year and to be resigned for next year as well. This year, and the next should be viewed as Ball’s apprenticeship.
After two years of being challenged and taught by Rondo, Ball will be ready to explode as a solid, savvy nightly triple double threat. One could argue he already is, but I he is neither consistently “solid” nor savvy right now ... not yet.
He’ll get lots of minutes, but unless Ball is the much better shooter than Rondo, “51%” of the minutes should go to Rondo, including closing games.
Nonsense. Lonzo was already a comparable passer as a rookie and was far better on defense.
Maybe his rookie defense wasn't what it is now, but w/o Boogie and his awful hedging on screens, Rondo had a DRTG of 102 last year. Lonzo was mostly the helper on defense, often hidden on a weak offensive player so he could disrupt passing lanes.
Rebounding would push some of Zo's more rudimentary defensive metrics above Rondo's, but those same numbers suggested Boozer's defense was on Noah's level when the two played together, and that Derrick Rose was a lockdown defender in his MVP year. The unholy acronym, indeed. If I type it's name, I lose a bet.
Boogies hedging is lightyears ahead of Lopez’. Boogies hedging is not the reason for Rondos inferior numbers.
Not just the hedging, but Cousins (or perhaps just the bad defensive chemisty of an oversized lineup) was the reason for Rondo's inferior numbers defensively. Rondo had a 113 DRtg w/Cousins, 102 without. He played 40% of his minutes w/ Cousins. Brook doesn't play as many minutes, nor is he defending much PnR action w/ Lonzo because KCP/Hart are the on-ball defenders.
If you're speaking of other metrics that equate rebounding directly to playing defense, and that value steals/blocks over staying in front of their man, we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of such a simple analytic.
I think you’re exaggerating how much Lonzo is off the ball. Defensive rebounding is a huge part of defense, it’s how you end the opponents possession. Same can be said for steals.
Staying in front of your man is important but it doesn’t end a possession. Getting a steal or a rebound does. I value off ball team defense and ability to guard multiple positions more than being able to keep PGs in front especially when considering Lonzos ability to recover and contest shots when he gets beat.
I also think you’d be surprised by Lonzos defensive numbers on the ball. They aren’t bad at all. I’m not just looking at analytics, I’m watching the games and Lonzo is more disruptive than Rondo and can guard more positions because of his size. I agree that Rondo is more adapt at keeping PGs in front of him.
Steals can't be counted on (no one averages even 3 per game), and many years the steals leaders are 4 matadors and Chris Paul. More often than not, a steal attempt whiffs and gives up a high % look.
Off ball defense is essential, yet the first line of defense breaking down will lead to a loss vs elite teams that keep the ball moving. That first line is the on-ball defender. Getting beat and recovering to contest the shot is not something that can be counted on in May/June. There is no rebound to begin with if the lead defensive guard can't stay in front of the opposing pg/playmaker, somewhere down the line there will be a wide open shot from all the helping/recovering.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lonzo's on-ball numbers were good - that's the coaching staff putting him in positions to succeed. He's not guarding Harden or Irving on islands the way KCP was. Heard Cranjis had DLo's on-ball defensive numbers the same as KCP's...one word: assignments.
Of course, most teams aren't Houston or Golden State, so having Rondo w/KCP or Hart in the starting lineup is redundant vs most teams. Lonzo is the better choice for an 82 game season.
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