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epak
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | epak wrote: | Yes. KCP has sucked so far.
And Orange Julius can suck lemons.
Hope he whines when Mirotic closes out games and he's on the bench twiddling his thumbs. |
Jeez. One guy gave the Lakers four years and wanted to return. The other is a mercenary riding Lebron's coattails for a couple seasons. |
And yet I find myself rooting for the current Laker. |
You're rooting for KCP? Really? I root for the team, I hope KCP does his job for the team's sake, but he's as boring and limited of a mercenary cypher as Wesley Johnson. The only thing I'll ever remember about him are his veneers and his in-season prison time.
And I feel like I'm more positive about hin than most LG posters. |
Yep. Especially early in the season.
I'm hoping all the players do well as a Laker, which in tern helps the team.
And yes I'm rooting for the team. Not sure why you wanted to make a disconnect as if rooting for a player automatically means you don't root for the team?
KCP has plenty of moments to remember. Many of them not positive. Like messing up ally oops. Missing game winners. Letting players drive by him. That's why I gotta root for him to play better. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| please don't merge the KCPiss & Moan thread. I'm gonna need it this season. Least favorite Laker of all-time by far. At least Smush was only making the league minimum (while giving us about the same amount of production). |
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MrLaker
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| Haven't posted here in a long time but I felt I needed to chime in and agree with the OP. I hated losing Randle in the offseason. I love Magic and most of the moves he's made so far but trading JR was easily the worst decision he's made....right next to re-signing KCP. JR was our best player last season and I love the fire and passion he brought to the team. Just an absolute idiotic move. And KCP? KCP was trash last year and nothing has changed. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| MrLaker wrote: | | Haven't posted here in a long time but I felt I needed to chime in and agree with the OP. I hated losing Randle in the offseason. I love Magic and most of the moves he's made so far but trading JR was easily the worst decision he's made....right next to re-signing KCP. JR was our best player last season and I love the fire and passion he brought to the team. Just an absolute idiotic move. And KCP? KCP was trash last year and nothing has changed. |
I think it's more nuanced than just KCP or Jules.
I think most of us believe it was a LBJ+KCP deal. And 30/30 franchises would take that if in that situation.
That left Jules and Deng's terrible contract which mucked up things tremendously.
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The Juggernaut
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Randle wanted multiple years from the Lakers. He let his agent get into his head and (bleep) himself over in the process. If he would have been cool with a 1 year $12 million deal he would still be a Laker but his agent gassed him up |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Or you could relish the past 5 seasons. I don't. |
 very true. I think what I have seen so far is an overreaction to TWO games and some people realizing they were more comfortable with the "we'll be good in a few years" feeling they have had in the Randle years. Now, there are real expectations so it is more if a letdown when they lose.
This team is making the playoffs. A LeBron Lakers team missing the playoffs would be horrible for ratings and there is no way that is going to happen. |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius is no longer a Laker? Say it ain't so. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MrLaker wrote: | | Haven't posted here in a long time but I felt I needed to chime in and agree with the OP. I hated losing Randle in the offseason. I love Magic and most of the moves he's made so far but trading JR was easily the worst decision he's made....right next to re-signing KCP. JR was our best player last season and I love the fire and passion he brought to the team. Just an absolute idiotic move. And KCP? KCP was trash last year and nothing has changed. |
I think it's more nuanced than just KCP or Jules.
I think most of us believe it was a LBJ+KCP deal. And 30/30 franchises would take that if in that situation.
That left Jules and Deng's terrible contract which mucked up things tremendously. |
Some people speculated that the Lakers signed KCP last year in order to have a back end channel to speak to Lebron's agent (who he shares).
I haven't heard speculation that the two came as a pair this season.
To me, the notion that the Lakers sacrificed Randle to create room to sign KCP, Rondo, Beasley and Stephenson sounds far-fetched to me.
I think the more reasonable answer is (1) the Lakers didn't think he was that good and (2) they wanted to save cap space for next year.
That said, if Lebron really wanted Randle here, he'd be here. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Some points:
1. It wasn't a sign KCP OR Randle to a 1 year deal decision. Randle wanted out and the front office let him go. Signing Randle with KCP's money wasn't an option
2. As someone mentioned before Randle can't average 48 minutes because he's be at 8+ fouls (also no one has that kind of stamina)
3. I would have liked to have kept Randle since bullyball seems to be the only thing this Lakers team is good at and he would've helped with some of the things the Lakers team is weak at: namely rebounding and defense
4. Javale McGee is actually filling in pretty good as a big so far
McGee ORTG 138 DRTG 106
Randle ORTG 126 DRTG 111 |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed.
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2 games in the season and people on here saying that we should have kept Randle instead of kcp I get it. All you conspiracy theorists also bringing up lebron being the gm and he didn’t want Randle here and only wanted kcp because of his agent... seriously listen to yourselves. Randle had all the time in the world to negotiate a contract extension!! he wanted to leave because with lebron here he would have had his mins cut and while he is a beast in the rebounding category some of you are really overrating this guy defensively he was a foul machine and a liability on offense with his ball handling and lack of an off hand. I liked Randle he has potential but if he had stayed here he would be crying about playing time And he doesn’t solve our need for outside shooting.
Lebron is still playing at a high level the man signed on for 4 years and when was the last time a lebron led team missed the playoffs. JULIUS IS GONE get over it the front office knows what the hell they are doing. I swear I’ve been on here long enough to remember when people on here were crying about us missing out on Marcus banks and Antonio Daniels I’ve been on here long enough to remember when all of you hated horry and said he was washed up but then blamed the front office for not signing him to back up Malone.
AGAIN 2 games in.
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Randle didn't fire Mintz and sign with Klutch.
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Hey he only signed a one year deal so if he opts out we can sign him long term because some of you here think he’s on the same level as KL and Klay thompson so he should get the max right? Get the freak outta here
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El Seano
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Yeah but it's a player option 2nd year. If Larry Nance Jr is worth 11 million a year there isn't a snowballs chance in hell Randle opts into that 2nd year unless (god forbid) he gets injured.
Randle keeps this up and his big payday will come. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed. |
I don't believe KCP is being overrated around here.
Most don't believe he is any good unless you feel even that is overrated. LOL |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed. |
I don't believe KCP is being overrated around here.
Most don't believe he is any good unless you feel even that is overrated. LOL |
I was addressing the first statement, "Randle isn't very good." I should have clarified.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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He's been pretty good in N.O. so far. Some nice passes to the Brow. And of course:
| Quote: | Josh Hart @joshhart
We knocking down 3s now huh bro? @J30_RANDLE |
| Quote: | Julius Randle @J30_RANDLE
Julius Randle Retweeted Josh Hart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Small sample size, but I really don’t like either of them. We had Randle for a long time and he isn’t a good shooter, not any more than Rondo is...who is shooting .500 from 3 so far in just a handful of attempts.
We weren’t interested in making a long term commitment to him, he got insulted and went to go play off the bench for someone else for a modest salary. Time to let it go...Randle is good, but not good enough to worry about losing, in the end he’s just another guy...nothing special IMO. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed. |
Play Zubac. Okay I let the "elephant in the room" out. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed. |
Play Zubac. Okay I let the "elephant in the room" out. |
Found Zubac's burner account |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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KCP is not trash
Randle was not and is not 10X better |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | KCP is not trash
Randle was not and is not 10X better |
Which players are 10x better than KCP?
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Randle isn't very good. Way too overrated around here. |
Neither is KCP, and this thread is about the front office spending $12M on a more redundant, lesser player while leaving the team's lack of rebounding unaddressed. |
Play Zubac. Okay I let the "elephant in the room" out. |
Well, Luke should tonight.
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