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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:50 am    Post subject: Ranking our draft picks of the 'young core'

Here is my list of our best picks based on performance and draft position. This is not meant to be a list of who is the best player currently.

1. kuz
2. bi (mitch)
3. hart
4. ball
5. svi
6. randle (mitch)
7. zu (mitch)
8. dlo (mitch)

too hard to rate:
1. bonga
2. tbryant


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject:

How can you realistically put Dlo so low? Hate him or love him, he was a talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
How can you realistically put Dlo so low? Hate him or love him, he was a talent.


decent player but picked too high
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject:

How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
How can you realistically put Dlo so low? Hate him or love him, he was a talent.


decent player but picked too high


no personal disrespect intended....but it is hard to take serious with Russell in that position. Kind of feels like the entire purpose of the thread is for you to take a cheap shot @ DLo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject:

I'd flip BI and Hart, based on your criteria.

Also, DLO was a good choice insofar that it wasn't friggin' Okafor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
How can you realistically put Dlo so low? Hate him or love him, he was a talent.


decent player but picked too high


no personal disrespect intended....but it is hard to take serious with Russell in that position. Kind of feels like the entire purpose of the thread is for you to take a cheap shot @ DLo.


actually i have never taken a shot at dlo.
i just rate other players ahead of him in terms of value.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


that is my projection.
svi was picked late in the 2nd whereas randle was pick #7
i think randle is more of a sure thing but svi may add close to the same value.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


The new official company line is that Randle was a bust. Pass it on.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301


So Svi still hasn't played an NBA game or produced at the NBA level. What exactly are you trying to prove with the links? Please don't tell me you are comparing SL numbers to NBA regular season numbers. Would be foolish if you were
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
adkindo wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
How can you realistically put Dlo so low? Hate him or love him, he was a talent.


decent player but picked too high


no personal disrespect intended....but it is hard to take serious with Russell in that position. Kind of feels like the entire purpose of the thread is for you to take a cheap shot @ DLo.


actually i have never taken a shot at dlo.
i just rate other players ahead of him in terms of value.


then I think as of now, Randle has to be taken ahead of Ball....who was taken after Randle that has had more impact than him in the 2014 Draft? Some may point to Capela or Jokic, but they were not in lottery discussion. Ball has played 50 games, and I would guess the average NBA person would take several players ahead of him that were selected later in the lottery. Even today.....outside of Porzingis and Booker, who else is the majority taking ahead of Russell in 2015 draft?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


The new official company line is that Randle was a bust. Pass it on.


Lol. True, I see it a lot on here
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301


So Svi still hasn't played an NBA game or produced at the NBA level. What exactly are you trying to prove with the links? Please don't tell me you are comparing SL numbers to NBA regular season numbers. Would be foolish if you were


Nope... comparing Summer League to Summer League. Scroll down further on the other link.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject:

Weird.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject:

Was is Bryant too early to rate? It's the perfect time to rate his value to us as a #42 pick because he isn't on the team anymore so we know exactly what he did for us.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?


Randle shot 40% in two seasons of Summer League and 12 PPG... and 4 RPG.
Svi's shooting 42% from three... had a 31 point break out game... averaging 18 points a game and he's only a rookie.

Agree it's premature... but the guy asked... so I'm answering.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?


Randle shot 40% in two seasons of Summer League and 12 PPG... and 4 RPG.
Svi's shooting 42% from three... had a 31 point break out game... averaging 18 points a game and he's only a rookie.

Agree it's premature... but the guy asked... so I'm answering.


Randle is a proven NBA player. No comparison as to who is better
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


The new official company line is that Randle was a bust. Pass it on.


randle is definitely no bust and did really well last year.
we will miss him as small ball center this year.

but i think his skill set is easier to find than svi.
for example, noel signed to a minimum contract by thunder, i believe.
would have been nice to get noel this year.

furthermore svi was drafted at 47.
you could buy picks in the mid/late 2nd round.
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adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?


Considering Randle left for nothing I would rank Svi's value as the 47th pick higher too, even though it is ridiculously early to determine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject:

This thread confuses me. What criteria?

Are we talking who they are as players in the present or who they "might" be in the future. If we are talking about the present... Randle and DLO are better than any of the guys that have yet to play in any meaningful NBA game. They are solid NBA players. At present, Randle should be toward the top of the list and I would argue was more impactful and better than Kuz and, at times, BI. At present, Zu is not solid NBA player (though I expect that to change). Ball is hard to rank because he does somethings so well.. and others really not well. Summer league does not provide a meaningful way to evaluate Josh Hart, Svi, Mo or anyone else who was contributing. It is a nice story which we can hope translates to the NBA. But there is not guarantee.

Or are we talking about value based on where they were picked? If so Kuz is at the top because he drafted lower than the other guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject:

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Was is Bryant too early to rate? It's the perfect time to rate his value to us as a #42 pick because he isn't on the team anymore so we know exactly what he did for us.


too early for me at least.
i have not seen him play at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?


Randle shot 40% in two seasons of Summer League and 12 PPG... and 4 RPG.
Svi's shooting 42% from three... had a 31 point break out game... averaging 18 points a game and he's only a rookie.

Agree it's premature... but the guy asked... so I'm answering.


Randle is a proven NBA player. No comparison as to who is better


We are playing a game of projecting talent based on position in the draft.

If it was even both taken at 7... sure one can make a case for Randle based on much stronger competition. But if you compare apples to apples then take draft position into account... Svi has the lead right now. That can easily change once the season starts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
How can you rank Svi over Randle when he has yet to play in the NBA?


http://www.nba.com/players/svi/mykhailiuk/1629004

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Julius-Randle/Summary/24301

Even if you don't account for the #7 vs. #47 draft placement... Svi's stats are superior for both of Randle's Summer League seasons already.


your kidding, right?


Randle shot 40% in two seasons of Summer League and 12 PPG... and 4 RPG.
Svi's shooting 42% from three... had a 31 point break out game... averaging 18 points a game and he's only a rookie.

Agree it's premature... but the guy asked... so I'm answering.


come on man....Randle has been producing against guys like Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Anthony Davis in recent years.....Svi has been producing against Scoochie and Sindarius.
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