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Do you agree with the Lakers #9 ranking?
Too low
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Too high
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Just about right
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject:

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I feel like we should be above OKC, a team which lost in the first round in 5 games last season.


Can't underestimate the benefit of having most of Melo's shots going to PG instead.


He took 1 less shot a game in OKC than he did with the Pacers in 2016-17 when he had the ultra green light.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject:

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I feel like we should be above OKC, a team which lost in the first round in 5 games last season.


Can't underestimate the benefit of having most of Melo's shots going to PG instead.


He took 1 less shot a game in OKC than he did with the Pacers in 2016-17 when he had the ultra green light.


I'm saying that he's way more efficient than Melo... even if that's 2 points a game that can be a huge upgrade.
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over 50% of the roster is new....have not played together....crazy mix of strong personalities....young core hoping to improve.....more question marks, and variables that any other playoff team. I think #9 is very fair given what is known right now.


given that logic, the team with the greatest question mark, kawhi leonard, should be lower.


adding Kawhi Leonard to a team that won 59 games last season, had very little change to their roster and promoted HC from within....sure, there is some question around Kawhi's health, but that is literally it....everything else is pretty stable with a high floor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject:

Hey at least they giving us a chance. Some anaylsts dont have us maki g the playoffs. Lets prove everyone wrong
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject:

ESPN has been pretty accurate in the past.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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I feel like we should be above OKC, a team which lost in the first round in 5 games last season.


Can't underestimate the benefit of having most of Melo's shots going to PG instead.


He took 1 less shot a game in OKC than he did with the Pacers in 2016-17 when he had the ultra green light.


I'm saying that he's way more efficient than Melo... even if that's 2 points a game that can be a huge upgrade.


Melo took 15 shots a game last year, so not sure what you mean when you say most of Melo's shots will go to PG13. Maybe 2-3 shots get diverted to him, but I can also see WB taking more of Melo's shots too (including Grant who will take over Melo's spot most likely).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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I feel like we should be above OKC, a team which lost in the first round in 5 games last season.


Can't underestimate the benefit of having most of Melo's shots going to PG instead.


He took 1 less shot a game in OKC than he did with the Pacers in 2016-17 when he had the ultra green light.


I'm saying that he's way more efficient than Melo... even if that's 2 points a game that can be a huge upgrade.


Melo took 15 shots a game last year, so not sure what you mean when you say most of Melo's shots will go to PG13. Maybe 2-3 shots get diverted to him, but I can also see WB taking more of Melo's shots too (including Grant who will take over Melo's spot most likely).


Melo had a 50% TS... PG had a 57% TS... Russ had a 52% TS... Grant had a 54% TS... No matter which way the shots get diverted... it's going to a more efficient place. But if I were OKC I'd get the ball to PG as much as I could.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:14 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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CandyCanes wrote:
I feel like we should be above OKC, a team which lost in the first round in 5 games last season.


Can't underestimate the benefit of having most of Melo's shots going to PG instead.


He took 1 less shot a game in OKC than he did with the Pacers in 2016-17 when he had the ultra green light.


I'm saying that he's way more efficient than Melo... even if that's 2 points a game that can be a huge upgrade.


Melo took 15 shots a game last year, so not sure what you mean when you say most of Melo's shots will go to PG13. Maybe 2-3 shots get diverted to him, but I can also see WB taking more of Melo's shots too (including Grant who will take over Melo's spot most likely).


Melo had a 50% TS... PG had a 57% TS... Russ had a 52% TS... Grant had a 54% TS... No matter which way the shots get diverted... it's going to a more efficient place. But if I were OKC I'd get the ball to PG as much as I could.


I don't think PG13 is a high volume/high shot scorer. If anything, I think WB's shot attempts will go up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:18 am    Post subject:

deal wrote:
ESPN has been pretty accurate in the past.


No they just got lucky because we were dealing with injuries.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject:

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over 50% of the roster is new....have not played together....crazy mix of strong personalities....young core hoping to improve.....more question marks, and variables that any other playoff team. I think #9 is very fair given what is known right now.


given that logic, the team with the greatest question mark, kawhi leonard, should be lower.


adding Kawhi Leonard to a team that won 59 games last season, had very little change to their roster and promoted HC from within....sure, there is some question around Kawhi's health, but that is literally it....everything else is pretty stable with a high floor.


lost a 2nd team all NBA player for a guy who may or may not be healthy, and may or may not even want to play there?

"that is literally it"...that's a ton.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject:

Frye and Bryant were “key subtractions”?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject:

Seems okay. A very conservative estimate from them. I think the Lakers will end up ranked a lot higher when the games start to count.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:07 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
adkindo wrote:
over 50% of the roster is new....have not played together....crazy mix of strong personalities....young core hoping to improve.....more question marks, and variables that any other playoff team. I think #9 is very fair given what is known right now.


given that logic, the team with the greatest question mark, kawhi leonard, should be lower.


adding Kawhi Leonard to a team that won 59 games last season, had very little change to their roster and promoted HC from within....sure, there is some question around Kawhi's health, but that is literally it....everything else is pretty stable with a high floor.


You know, minus trading their franchise player.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

We're vastly underrated....will not be shocking when we're the 2nd or 3rd seed in the West, at least for me.

I don't care what any pundit says, we're stacked and this team is going to be pretty damn tough to beat, especially in a 7 game series. Nobody is going to want to face LeBron's Lakers in the playoffs, we're THAT team (other than the Warriors).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
adkindo wrote:
over 50% of the roster is new....have not played together....crazy mix of strong personalities....young core hoping to improve.....more question marks, and variables that any other playoff team. I think #9 is very fair given what is known right now.


given that logic, the team with the greatest question mark, kawhi leonard, should be lower.


Exactly! The Raptors shouldn't be rated ahead of the Lakers even if they are in the Eastern Conference. The Nuggets shouldn't be rated ahead of them either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:48 am    Post subject:

Raps are literally celebrating that KL is likely to report to the team.

I mean I get baby steps but come on...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject:

I can understand the other teams ahead of us, but Denver? They missed the playoffs just added IT. MPJ prolly wont play either. I could see portland or Nola in that spot, but Denver?

Again, I think we can jump into the top 5 by the end of the year.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject:

Probably a good ranking to start. We probably start the year slow with all the new faces and specifically working in a player as significant as Lebron. Even if the roster is the same, I fully expect to be in the top five by the time the playoffs start (not necessarily by record but in the power ranking sense)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

#9 was 48 wins last year
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject:

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only teams ahead I would put honestly at this point are GS and Boston.


They had OKC, Utah, and Denver above us...click bait rankings for July.

GS - absolutely
Boston - likely and they have more PO experience plus play in the East
Houston - possible but I can't wait to play them
Philly - no.

OKC, Utah, Denver -

Had NO kept Rondo...I could see it.
Had PDX been above us...I could see it based upon how they beat us last year.
But anyone who thinks LBJ doesn't dramatically shift the balance of power is being intellectually dishonest if they're being an intellectual at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject:

deal wrote:
ESPN has been pretty accurate in the past.


Accurate on W/L totals which this ranking doesn't provide.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject:

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#9 was 48 wins last year


We had 35 wins last year. Adding LeBron James should translate into a 13 win improvement when you consider all the new personnel that Luke must incorporate into the line up.

If ESPN ranked us at #9, I would say that's a safe guess. But it's still only a guess.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject:

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#9 was 48 wins last year


We had 35 wins last year. Adding LeBron James should translate into a 13 win improvement when you consider all the new personnel that Luke must incorporate into the line up.

If ESPN ranked us at #9, I would say that's a safe guess. But it's still only a guess.


my reasoning also
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject:

it's probably been mentioned already but the Blazers were #3 in the west but a couple games from #9, so no biggie about the #6 prediction. I don't know about Rudy Gobert's health and OKC might struggle offensively, so I expect a jumble between 3 - 10.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
deal wrote:
ESPN has been pretty accurate in the past.


Accurate on W/L totals which this ranking doesn't provide.


#9 = #8-#11 last year at 48 wins ...leeway in that ranking
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