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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Clarkson- Below average |
right, he scores more off the bench than all but 2 of out starters in 25 minutes a night...but he is terrible. |
When was the last time he played a game that meant something and what did he average in those games? |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Gepetto wrote: | adkindo wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | adkindo wrote: | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
Which young player is getting moved out? |
DLo
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
KCP is young compared to Ariza. If Rich Paul is open to moving KCP, then I am saving him for a potential deal for a star. I like Ariza....he would fit in nice on a Lebron and AD team....or Lebron and KD team....but Ariza is probably a 5th starter on a contender at best right now.....and I think KCP is definitely more of an offensive spark that plays well with Lebron, that we actually would have early bird rights on....just do not see the point, except to get older. |
Except we have to renounce KCP in the offseason to reach the 38 million in cap space we plan to use on (insert name of mega-star here). If we resign KCP this summer it'll be a symptom of utter failure in free agency and we'd be doing it with cap space not early bird rights anyway. |
true, but utter failure this summer has a chance greater than zero....but the real benefit would be if you made a big move that did not include KCP for someone like AD and was operating as an over the cap team this summer....then those rights would be valuable. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Clarkson- Below average |
right, he scores more off the bench than all but 2 of out starters in 25 minutes a night...but he is terrible. |
When was the last time he played a game that meant something and what did he average in those games? |
right guy, it is pointless with you...you spout off takes about how terrible players are then constantly make excuses of when they prove you wrong time after time. This summer it was how Randle was terrible....you are still trying to convince people that DeRozan is not good at basketball. I do not get what drives you, but I just go where the facts take me.
Btw, how is not offering a rookie extension to Russell an indictment on Russell? No team than has plans of using cap space in the coming summer would offer a rookie extension to a player when it would reduce their cap space unless we are talking about a Lebron or AD type player....and even then it would not make much sense when they would be restricted. It is just another example of these weird desperate reaches. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Daphanabe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
Exactly. Magic/Rob know how to work this. If KCP is traded, it’s with full cooperation with his agent and the FO. Everyone thinking KCP would veto, don’t understand how busienss works in the back-end. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Clarkson- Below average |
right, he scores more off the bench than all but 2 of out starters in 25 minutes a night...but he is terrible. |
When was the last time he played a game that meant something and what did he average in those games? |
right guy, it is pointless with you...you spout off takes about how terrible players are then constantly make excuses of when they prove you wrong time after time. This summer it was how Randle was terrible....you are still trying to convince people that DeRozan is not good at basketball. I do not get what drives you, but I just go where the facts take me.
Btw, how is not offering a rookie extension to Russell an indictment on Russell? No team than has plans of using cap space in the coming summer would offer a rookie extension to a player when it would reduce their cap space unless we are talking about a Lebron or AD type player....and even then it would not make much sense when they would be restricted. It is just another example of these weird desperate reaches. |
Don't worry about me and make the post about me.
Answer my question and if u don't have answer move along |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
Or kcp wants to be traded to a team that he can get minutes on.
I still would prefer ariza after buyout tough |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
But Ariza shot 37%, 40% and 33% from the field and 20% from three in the playoffs. Yet you got the same fans and people in the Ariza thread talking about how he'd be an X-Factor in the playoffs.. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Alright let's be frank.
Ariza's claim to fame for the Lakers is his steal in the playoffs and his Game 4 against the Magic where he went 3-4 from three after rubbing foreheads with Turkoglu.
Aside from that he shot 35% from the field in the Finals. Yet his entire career in terms of Lakers fans eyes are based on that moment, where they will ignore his playoff run last season and his terrible WCF showing in order to say that Ariza is an x-factor in the playoffs because he was one in a game, 10 years ago and had about 3-4 hustle plays that season that stick out in Lakers fans minds, again 10 years ago. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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saetarubia Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
But Ariza shot 37%, 40% and 33% from the field and 20% from three in the playoffs. Yet you got the same fans and people in the Ariza thread talking about how he'd be an X-Factor in the playoffs.. |
Ariza played great defense. JC has always been a low IQ chucker with terrible defense. His tunnel vision is a big negative in playoffs as well. Lakers did great moving his bad contract and getting a pick in the process of moving him and Lance(good role player). _________________ Showtime 2.0 |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Warriors look at their 3rd championship ring, thanks T. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Alright let's be frank.
Ariza's claim to fame for the Lakers is his steal in the playoffs and his Game 4 against the Magic where he went 3-4 from three after rubbing foreheads with Turkoglu.
Aside from that he shot 35% from the field in the Finals. Yet his entire career in terms of Lakers fans eyes are based on that moment, where they will ignore his playoff run last season and his terrible WCF showing in order to say that Ariza is an x-factor in the playoffs because he was one in a game, 10 years ago and had about 3-4 hustle plays that season that stick out in Lakers fans minds, again 10 years ago. |
You Forget about when he snatched in the throw in from Kmart against the Nuggets? |
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lakerz32 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Alright let's be frank.
Ariza's claim to fame for the Lakers is his steal in the playoffs and his Game 4 against the Magic where he went 3-4 from three after rubbing foreheads with Turkoglu.
Aside from that he shot 35% from the field in the Finals. Yet his entire career in terms of Lakers fans eyes are based on that moment, where they will ignore his playoff run last season and his terrible WCF showing in order to say that Ariza is an x-factor in the playoffs because he was one in a game, 10 years ago and had about 3-4 hustle plays that season that stick out in Lakers fans minds, again 10 years ago. |
skimming arizas playoff stats... he is what he is offensively (his strength was always Defense, Length, multi-positional versatility). he is offensively a role player, who's primary role is shooting high volume of threes to provide spacing. as a role player, he is going to have up and downs.
in the 2008-2009 laker championship run, ariza shot 47.6% from the 3 point line
then in subsequent play off runs he shot
33% from three in 2010-2011
45% from three in 2013-2014
37.7% from three in 2014-2015
Then 14.3%, 37.7%, and 29% from three in the next 3 playoff runs
why are we using one moment to define him, to justify whether. he's awesome or sucks. offensively he shoots high volume of threes, since like 80% of his shots come from three, there is going to be a lot of variance in the short sample size that is the playoffs.
FWIW ariza's career playoff 3 point percentage 36.7% is higher than his career regular season 3 point percentage 35.3%
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
Or kcp wants to be traded to a team that he can get minutes on.
I still would prefer ariza after buyout tough |
Magic doesnt care what you prefer. Sorry dude. Just know that whatever Rich Paul and Magic decide, that's the best move. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Horry: *looks at multiple rings* I am also impervious to aging hit me up |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
Could explain why he's been playing better as of late. Auditioning for other teams. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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noahp45 wrote: | MJST wrote: | Megaton wrote: | adkindo wrote: | 32 wrote: | Clarkson did great in the playoffs last year for Cleveland. 19 games, 15 mpg, 4.7 ppg, fg% 30%. |
cool, lets talk about performing on the big stage...Western Conference Finals...Ariza....you go first. |
Ariza: *looks at his championship ring* sup? |
Alright let's be frank.
Ariza's claim to fame for the Lakers is his steal in the playoffs and his Game 4 against the Magic where he went 3-4 from three after rubbing foreheads with Turkoglu.
Aside from that he shot 35% from the field in the Finals. Yet his entire career in terms of Lakers fans eyes are based on that moment, where they will ignore his playoff run last season and his terrible WCF showing in order to say that Ariza is an x-factor in the playoffs because he was one in a game, 10 years ago and had about 3-4 hustle plays that season that stick out in Lakers fans minds, again 10 years ago. |
You Forget about when he snatched in the throw in from Kmart against the Nuggets? |
_________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
I'm getting the feeling it was planned all along to try to get him paid. Unless he really clicked and the Hart situation needed to develop. This was the plan all along. What were the Lakers going to do with KCP next season? |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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In a vacuum, it's poor management to use an asset to trade a guy for another guy we could've spent the money on in the first place.
But if KCP is more focused on getting his numbers and getting paid, then GTFO of here. I'll take the guy who wants to win. And less influence in the FO for Rich Paul is a good thing. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Just last week I was pointing out he has All stars numbers this year. No one wanted to hear it |
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