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LuciusAllen
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Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
A few points about this:
1. Love that Julius is balling.
2. He would not have had the same opportunity to shine like this, had he stayed with the Lakers (i.e., if he had signed the same contract with us instead of NO). So he made the right move to go to a team that would give him that opportunity.
3. Like you said, about that 2nd year ... he's gonna get paid. |
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matrixskillz
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Ariza makes BI expendable. I can imagine a defensive lineup with Zo, Hart and Ariza hounding the perimeter.
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Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
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drae
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
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pjiddy
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| drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
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drae
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| pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
Lance and Beasley don't see much time. Would Randle be happy not seeing much time? |
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LKA
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| pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
Their sharpshooting as well  |
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MJST
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| drae wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
Lance and Beasley don't see much time. Would Randle be happy not seeing much time? |
Randle was averaging 19/10 when he was coming off the bench for the Pelicans.
So the "Julius wouldn't be doing this on the Lakers" kind of loses it's traction. He put up 19/10 off the bench and is currently putting up 29/11 as a starter.
So you get major production either way, which means whether Randle was a 6th man for us or became a starter at center next to LeBron with McGee coming off the bench there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be doing this.
he's doing this as a 2nd option next to Davis, when you look at the lineup of the Lakers, Randle would have been our 2nd best player and likely 2nd option beside LeBron and the only other guy besides BI capable of getting their own shot.
So yes.. Randle very much could have been producing at this kind of high level for us, whether starting or off the bench. He was already producing at this kind of level for us last season, and he just took it up a notch this season.
No reason to believe as 2nd option on this team he wouldn't be producing at at a very high level.
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pjiddy
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| drae wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
Lance and Beasley don't see much time. Would Randle be happy not seeing much time? |
LOL, this team was not "built around defense." Not until Tyson dropped into our laps did we get decent at D. The team Magic "built" had freakin Kuzma at center. The team that Magic built could have desperately used Randle. Thanks to Lebron getting us Tyson, our defensive positionality has been greatly clarified and Lance has also gotten far less playing time. Whether it worked out in the end is immaterial. We knew at the time Magic let a good asset whose rights we owned walk out the door for nothing. And now he's putting up all-star level numbers. Hey, maybe he could've been traded for Ariza! Then we could add have him and KCP rather than paying them asset to take one for the other.
While we're on the subject, Thomas Bryant is looking like a quality rotation player while Zubac plays what will most certainly be his last NBA season on the bench.
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lakersfan8
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| MJST wrote: | | drae wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Wow, what a huge loss for the Lakers. |
Not really. He's a defensive liability. This team is built around defense. He'd want to get paid. |
Yeah, guys like Lance, Rondo and Beasley were brought in for their defense. |
Lance and Beasley don't see much time. Would Randle be happy not seeing much time? |
Randle was averaging 19/10 when he was coming off the bench for the Pelicans.
So the "Julius wouldn't be doing this on the Lakers" kind of loses it's traction. He put up 19/10 off the bench and is currently putting up 29/11 as a starter.
So you get major production either way, which means whether Randle was a 6th man for us or became a starter at center next to LeBron with McGee coming off the bench there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be doing this.
he's doing this as a 2nd option next to Davis, when you look at the lineup of the Lakers, Randle would have been our 2nd best player and likely 2nd option beside LeBron and the only other guy besides BI capable of getting their own shot.
So yes.. Randle very much could have been producing at this kind of high level for us, whether starting or off the bench. He was already producing at this kind of level for us last season, and he just took it up a notch this season.
No reason to believe as 2nd option on this team he wouldn't be producing at at a very high level. |
I think Randle would thrive in our system. He can give us another scoring option and be a solid PF and small ball center. I rather give him a one year 15 million dollar instead of spending on Rondo, Stephenson and Beasley. We would win few more games and we won’t see Hart playing PF and Kuzma playing center. Luke is the scapegoat of Magic’s poor construction of the roster. |
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| Letting Thomas Bryant go was a head-scratcher. He doesn't play much, but thus far his per36 is 16/10/2/2 blocks. |
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drae
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| pjiddy wrote: | | LOL, this team was not "built around defense." Not until Tyson dropped into our laps did we get decent at D. The team Magic "built" had freakin Kuzma at center. The team that Magic built could have desperately used Randle. Thanks to Lebron getting us Tyson, our defensive positionality has been greatly clarified and Lance has also gotten far less playing time. Whether it worked out in the end is immaterial. We knew at the time Magic let a good asset whose rights we owned walk out the door for nothing. And now he's putting up all-star level numbers. Hey, maybe he could've been traded for Ariza! Then we could add have him and KCP rather than paying them asset to take one for the other. |
Ingram at the moment is a defensive specialist (with the potential to blossom into an all round star), Lonzo is a defensive specialist (who can pass but can't attack), Kuzma's defense has skyrocketed which shows the focus he's been putting into it, McGee and Chandler are solid defensive centers rather than stretch 5's (even though McGee is more defense oriented), KCP is a shooter with good defense, Hart is developing good defense. The only player with questionable defense in the starting lineup is Lebron. And of course, the coach is always preaching defense and now so are their players.
The team is built around getting stops and running in transition. They have long, lengthy players all the better to defend, they're going after Ariza so they have a wing with length to defend Durant.
Randle should have been traded, not let go, because the reality of the situation is he's not long term. Randle is a PF, regardless of whether we think Kuzma has more potential (I think he does. Kuzma lately has shown much better defense and all round capabilities) Magic is going after AD and KD. Both AD and KD play power forward (KD won't shift Lebron from SF). Randle can play center, but I don't like him as a center. So imo we should have traded Randle but the way Magic is building this team, I don't see a long term future here for him. Maybe he couldn't either, which is why he left? |
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There would've been plenty of 4/5 minutes for Randle had he stayed. Frankly, I don't think Randle liked Luke and Mintz has it out for the Lakers, but I don't see why you should give up your young assets for nothing.
Even to preserve space next year, I would've offered Randle a 1 yr maybe 15M contract instead of some combination of KCP, Rondo, Beasley. |
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| Well Randle is doing well good for him hope he gets paid and has a nice career. Moving on. |
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| drae wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LOL, this team was not "built around defense." Not until Tyson dropped into our laps did we get decent at D. The team Magic "built" had freakin Kuzma at center. The team that Magic built could have desperately used Randle. Thanks to Lebron getting us Tyson, our defensive positionality has been greatly clarified and Lance has also gotten far less playing time. Whether it worked out in the end is immaterial. We knew at the time Magic let a good asset whose rights we owned walk out the door for nothing. And now he's putting up all-star level numbers. Hey, maybe he could've been traded for Ariza! Then we could add have him and KCP rather than paying them asset to take one for the other. |
Randle should have been traded, not let go, because the reality of the situation is he's not long term. Randle is a PF, regardless of whether we think Kuzma has more potential (I think he does. Kuzma lately has shown much better defense and all round capabilities) Magic is going after AD and KD. Both AD and KD play power forward (KD won't shift Lebron from SF). Randle can play center, but I don't like him as a center. So imo we should have traded Randle but the way Magic is building this team, I don't see a long term future here for him. Maybe he couldn't either, which is why he left? |
How much can the Pelicans offer him to make them a long-term destination for Randle? You don’t think Randle can fit into a team with AD, KD and LBJ then how does Kuzma fit into that team? Are KD and AD guaranteed to be here? Celtics only gave up Bradley after Hayward committed, why can’t we do the same? |
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drae
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How much can the Pelicans offer him to make them a long-term destination for Randle? You don’t think Randle can fit into a team with AD, KD and LBJ then how does Kuzma fit into that team? Are KD and AD guaranteed to be here? Celtics only gave up Bradley after Hayward committed, why can’t we do the same? |
Heh, once AD leaves they can offer Randle as much as he wants 
Well, Kuzma can theoretically play the 3 as well as the 4, so he can play both reserve SF and reserve PF. He says he can also play the guard positions but he doesn't seem quick enough for that. I also just tend to like Kuz's all round play more than Randle's, but I think we can both agree that if Magic is going for AD or/and KD, that there really isn't enough room on the team for both Kuz and Randle and expect them both to get consistent minutes? Too many forwards? You can't keep everybody?
I tend to think we have a really good young bunch. We not only have Ingram, Lonzo, Kuz, and Hart, but we have Svi, Wagner, and Bonga. We have spread veterans throughout the roster to have a nice atmosphere and a nice culture. You can't have too young a team. So I like the balance we have, and all our youngsters look pretty good. I'm a big fan of all of them. But youth will want minutes because they're trying to build a career ... |
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how many here believe we let Randle walk for nothing as part of AD deal? George was already gone so no 2nd max was coming, meaning we didnt have no reason to let him walk for nothing. its a far fetched idea yes, but it could be true. time will tell i guess
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Biggest news to me IMO is that it seems KCP wants to be traded. No way this comes out as a surprise to KCP and Klutch. They have to be 100% informed and ok with a trade. |
I'm getting the feeling it was planned all along to try to get him paid. Unless he really clicked and the Hart situation needed to develop. This was the plan all along. What were the Lakers going to do with KCP next season? |
Exactly. IMO this was in the books.
KCP got paid $30m for 2 years when teams weren't looking to pay that much for him.
Right now he's stuck behind BI/Hart on the "SG" depth chart. He's averaging 21mpg for the season, and it hurts his FA value if he's a bench player as opposed to a starting guard. That's why they are looking for a 3rd team b/c no way he's playing for the Suns.
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| MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Which is why he will likely not be a Pel next year.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Which is why he will likely not be a Pel next year. |
So if they actually had cap space, they could offer Julius as much money as they could fit under their cap, correct? In other words, they can only afford him next summer if AD is traded, right? |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Since being made into their starting 4/5 on the Pelicans, where he plays 35 MPG
Julius Randle has averaged
29.5 PPG
11,2 RPG
3.2 AST
60.4% Field Goal
43% from Three
He is only 24 and is now getting rightful starter minutes, and that has been the result statistically of him being the official 2nd option next to Anthony Davis
So..... about that 2nd year..... |
Which is why he will likely not be a Pel next year. |
So if they actually had cap space, they could offer Julius as much money as they could fit under their cap, correct? In other words, they can only afford him next summer if AD is traded, right? |
I think Jules picks Dallas over Pels in that case. Who the heck wants to be there if AD is gone? Fans barely show for the game now with a top 5 player.
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If struck out on true max FA, what’s the FA options (outside our own/mins)?
Cousins
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Vucevic
Middleton
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You're probably right, especially given that it's not like the Pels can offer anything extra without Bird rights. |
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| matrixskillz wrote: | | Ariza makes BI expendable. I can imagine a defensive lineup with Zo, Hart and Ariza hounding the perimeter. |
A 34 year old one year contract makes Brandon Ingram expandable?
I guess Ball has been expandable since we signed Rondo damn
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| ChickenStu wrote: | ^
You're probably right, especially given that it's not like the Pels can offer anything extra without Bird rights. |
I don't think Jules wants to be stuck on an AD-less team and basically sign up to waste his prime years on a perennial lottery team.
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