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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | 55 wrote: | greek laker wrote: | since we are in free agency -trades thread, what a change Mike Conley would
be for the point guard position. I know he is old, injury prone, his contract is
poisonous but what a balanced player. I strongly believe that we need middleton, vucevic, conley, that kind of players, not to give up the farm just for Davis |
Sounds like you’re speaking Greek. No clue why you’d want Conley over Davis. |
He's saying he'd rather add a second tier player and give up none of the core than have Davis without the core.
Personally, I agree with this thinking. |
Y’all sound silly.
Conley makes 5 mill more than Davis. That means even more players/salaries added to get him.
If you’re going to select a “second tier player”, at least pick one with a “second tier” salary. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | 55 wrote: | greek laker wrote: | since we are in free agency -trades thread, what a change Mike Conley would
be for the point guard position. I know he is old, injury prone, his contract is
poisonous but what a balanced player. I strongly believe that we need middleton, vucevic, conley, that kind of players, not to give up the farm just for Davis |
Sounds like you’re speaking Greek. No clue why you’d want Conley over Davis. |
He's saying he'd rather add a second tier player and give up none of the core than have Davis without the core.
Personally, I agree with this thinking. |
Y’all sound silly.
Conley makes 5 mill more than Davis. That means even more players/salaries added to get him.
If you’re going to select a “second tier player”, at least pick one with a “second tier” salary. |
Agree Conley is a poor example... but Middleton was not. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
3 of 4 is ur assumption to fit ur point.
Bi
Lonzo
Wagner
2 1st
For
Anthony Davis
Is just fine. Heck add Hart too I don't care.
Just keep kuzma and let's go |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a convo a couple days ago about how better margin signings (Beasley/Lance) would have had us in much better shape right now and possibly able to legit contend for a #1 seed
I personally wanted Tyreke Evans who has been below average. Napier/Ed Davis as advertisetd. Lopez is having a great impacct on the Bucks. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
3 of 4 is ur assumption to fit ur point.
Bi
Lonzo
Wagner
2 1st
For
Anthony Davis
Is just fine. Heck add Hart too I don't care.
Just keep kuzma and let's go |
They are going to want Kuz now more than the others.
What you propose wouldn't get it done. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
3 of 4 is ur assumption to fit ur point.
Bi
Lonzo
Wagner
2 1st
For
Anthony Davis
Is just fine. Heck add Hart too I don't care.
Just keep kuzma and let's go |
He’s right. THey’d want Kuzma for sure. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
3 of 4 is ur assumption to fit ur point.
Bi
Lonzo
Wagner
2 1st
For
Anthony Davis
Is just fine. Heck add Hart too I don't care.
Just keep kuzma and let's go |
They are going to want Kuz now more than the others.
What you propose wouldn't get it done. |
Again u r just making assumptions to make ur point.
Also u r comparing apples to oranges. Imagine how much ad would average playing next to LEBRON |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I’d still do it with Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma jettisoned.
Davis with James is too good to pass up. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Some of you still want to trade AD for the core?
AD scored 41 but was minus 18 in another loss. |
Yes. |
Core 52 pts 19 rebounds 5 assists plus win with no BI
AD 41 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists minus 18 with a loss |
Apple to oranges comparison |
It's not... we'd give up 3 or 4 young players and a pick.
Kuzma has shown he can consistently score in the twenties.
Even Ingram haters agree he can get up to twenty
Ball is an elite defender and playmaker
Hart is a solid 6th man type and reserve.
vs.
AD and three or four scrubs...
AD is good... but not that good.
Better to wait and sign him when he's a free agent. |
3 of 4 is ur assumption to fit ur point.
Bi
Lonzo
Wagner
2 1st
For
Anthony Davis
Is just fine. Heck add Hart too I don't care.
Just keep kuzma and let's go |
He’s right. THey’d want Kuzma for sure. |
As long as we keep 1 of bi/Lonzo/Kuz I m fine.
Now the same poster will come back and say but pelicans will want all 3 of Kuz/bi/zo
It's the little game he likes to play: ad vs our young guys |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | I’d still do it with Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma jettisoned.
Davis with James is too good to pass up. |
Joe if LBJ were young I could see it more... with two more years of max level LBJ... we are looking at a very small window... then back to a New Orleans quality team.
AD works as the Bosh in this analogy... he doesn't work as the young LBJ or Wade for me.
Hasn't proven he has the winning ability that the other two did. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
Superstars win, trading 3 of our young guys gives a chance to sign KD.
KD
LeBron
AD
Gets u multiple championships. Not 2nd tier guys earning near max |
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Millsap is an intriguing FA. Millsap has made a boatload of cash. if Denver declines I wonder if he takes a major paycut to play for a title? |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
Superstars win, trading 3 of our young guys gives a chance to sign KD.
KD
LeBron
AD
Gets u multiple championships. Not 2nd tier guys earning near max |
I wouldn't sign any of the core at max... all of them need significant improvement to get that much money. Even Kuzma who's come the closest the last five games. Kuz would have to continue this play the rest of the season to merit a max contract. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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To Jesus: It would DEFINITELY require all three of Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball.
To Meat: Durant would still be a possibility, even with Davis already traded for, so “window” could be open for a good long while. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
Superstars win, trading 3 of our young guys gives a chance to sign KD.
KD
LeBron
AD
Gets u multiple championships. Not 2nd tier guys earning near max |
I wouldn't sign any of the core at max... all of them need significant improvement to get that much money. Even Kuzma who's come the closest the last five games. Kuz would have to continue this play the rest of the season to merit a max contract. |
Middleton/Harris are definitely going to get near max. That's who I was talking about |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | To Jesus: It would DEFINITELY require all three of Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball.
To Meat: Durant would still be a possibility, even with Davis already traded for, so “window” could be open for a good long while. |
I doubt that specially in a scenario where he is requesting a trade. Pelicans will only trade if he requests a trade |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | To Jesus: It would DEFINITELY require all three of Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball.
To Meat: Durant would still be a possibility, even with Davis already traded for, so “window” could be open for a good long while. |
If we had AD or Kawhi locked down... I could see it working... but the window would be short and very dependent on AD's health and LBJ's resistance to age.
I'd still be enthusiastic about our team... but I'd be very worried about the slightest thing going wrong.
Look how resilient this team is... we lose two starter quality players and don't miss a beat.
If any of those three were hurt or if LBJ got old... we'd be in Dwightmare land right quick. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | To Jesus: It would DEFINITELY require all three of Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball.
To Meat: Durant would still be a possibility, even with Davis already traded for, so “window” could be open for a good long while. |
I doubt that specially in a scenario where he is requesting a trade. Pelicans will only trade if he requests a trade |
28 other teams my friend.
Lakers held out for George and Leonard (allegedly) ... gotta pay the piper for Davis. No question.
If they refuse to give up all three, no deal is done. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
Superstars win, trading 3 of our young guys gives a chance to sign KD.
KD
LeBron
AD
Gets u multiple championships. Not 2nd tier guys earning near max |
I wouldn't sign any of the core at max... all of them need significant improvement to get that much money. Even Kuzma who's come the closest the last five games. Kuz would have to continue this play the rest of the season to merit a max contract. |
Middleton/Harris are definitely going to get near max. That's who I was talking about |
Who wins in a four on four?
Middleton
Lonzo
Ingram
Kuzma
vs.
AD
Jamal Crawford
Nick Young
Alex Caruso |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | To Jesus: It would DEFINITELY require all three of Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball.
To Meat: Durant would still be a possibility, even with Davis already traded for, so “window” could be open for a good long while. |
If we had AD or Kawhi locked down... I could see it working... but the window would be short and very dependent on AD's health and LBJ's resistance to age.
I'd still be enthusiastic about our team... but I'd be very worried about the slightest thing going wrong.
Look how resilient this team is... we lose two starter quality players and don't miss a beat.
If any of those three were hurt or if LBJ got old... we'd be in Dwightmare land right quick. |
Short window? AD is 25 years old.
They don't miss a beat cause we have the best player in the world playing at mvp level.
Let's not pretend like we r winning without LEBRON |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | But what does AD plus 3 mid-tier FAs playing with Lebron James score? |
What you'd need to do is take the average production of a minimum salary player... multiply by it by three and add it to ADs totals
We could win with AD/LBJ plus another elite player... but we'd have to rely on luck... someone like Bonga and Svi becoming starter or sixth man quality players... maybe an old vet blossoming like Derrick Rose.
I'm not saying it won't work... I'm saying we're better off signing a Tobias Harris or Middleton type and adding to the core... then putting all our eggs in one basket. |
Superstars win, trading 3 of our young guys gives a chance to sign KD.
KD
LeBron
AD
Gets u multiple championships. Not 2nd tier guys earning near max |
I wouldn't sign any of the core at max... all of them need significant improvement to get that much money. Even Kuzma who's come the closest the last five games. Kuz would have to continue this play the rest of the season to merit a max contract. |
Middleton/Harris are definitely going to get near max. That's who I was talking about |
Who wins in a four on four?
Middleton
Lonzo
Ingram
Kuzma
vs.
AD
Jamal Crawford
Nick Young
Alex Caruso |
Meh sorry not interested in playing ur silly who vs who game.
Funny how it can't be
Middleton/bi/zo/kuzma
Vs
Ad/KD/rondo/svi
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