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Joe Pesci
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Bradley could outplay Collison. It's not inconceivable.
You keep all those guys and run the best combination.
Bradley could simply get beaten out be Caruso. That's also possible.
You don't have to trade Bradley for Caruso to play.
The best five guards will play.
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| alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | Kuzma + Cook + Daniels for Rose + Morris
Sign Allen Crabbe (hopefully he gets bought out)
PG: LeBron James - Derrick Rose - Rajon Rondo
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What makes you so sure Vogel wouldn't play Rondo and Rose together and have Rondo handle the ball? |
So you mean Rose at SG? I think Vogel will be smart enough to put a 35% and above shooter in at least one of the guard spots, so that'll be a Rose/Caruso backcourt |
You would think Vogel would be smart enough not play Rondo now. Not play Rondo with Lebron.
Rondo is playing ahead of better players.
I think he would continue to play even with Rose. |
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alleyoop
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | Kuzma + Cook + Daniels for Rose + Morris
Sign Allen Crabbe (hopefully he gets bought out)
PG: LeBron James - Derrick Rose - Rajon Rondo
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What makes you so sure Vogel wouldn't play Rondo and Rose together and have Rondo handle the ball? |
So you mean Rose at SG? I think Vogel will be smart enough to put a 35% and above shooter in at least one of the guard spots, so that'll be a Rose/Caruso backcourt |
You would think Vogel would be smart enough not play Rondo now. Not play Rondo with Lebron.
Rondo is playing ahead of better players.
I think he would continue to play even with Rose. |
I can't see it, Rose will specifically be brought in not only to be a shot creator, but to run the offense, which means having Rondo on at the same time is irrelevant
I mean obviously you can never know for sure
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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All the more reason to sign both Collison and Rose.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Vogel has no offensive system. Just lebron ball |
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babyskyhook
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| Killer_Z wrote: | An upgrade is coming .......but thankfully it is not going to be a knee jerk panic upgrade after losing only our 9th game of the season.
Were people expecting we were going to go 82-0 this season? This is the same team that beat Houston a couple nights ago. Relax everyone. |
Houston has lost 4 in a row and 6 of their last 7. They’re 6th in the West.
They’re not a measuring stick by any means.
Lakers vs Bucks, Clips, Cs: 0-4. That’s a problem. |
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | Kuzma + Cook + Daniels for Rose + Morris
Sign Allen Crabbe (hopefully he gets bought out)
PG: LeBron James - Derrick Rose - Rajon Rondo
SG: Avery Bradley - Alex Caruso - Allen Crabbe
SF: Danny Green - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Talen Horton-Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis - Markieff Morris - Jared Dudley
C: JaVale McGee - Dwight Howard - DeMarcus Cousins |
You gotta sign Collison too, my man.
If Rose gets hurt, you're back to square one.
Also, I like Crabbe, but with Collison signed as a shooter, they need a wing defender much more.
That said, if Rose and Collison come, I'd much rather add a defender like Mbah a Moute than a shooter like Crabbe.
Why are people so averse to acquiring both Rose and Collison? There is room for both. |
There's room for both, but then Alex is out of the rotation. Don't know if I like that, he's an important all-round energy bench piece. Defends, can shoot from deep (on low volume), slashes well, and can be a playmaker if needed. It also means you'd be playing two poor shooters as your bench guards in Avery and Rose, which is a huge no go I think
Also, if you sign Collison, how do you make the room to sign Mbah a Moute too? With the Rose trade and Collison on board, that's 15
PG: Darren Collison - Derrick Rose - Rajon Rondo
SG: Danny Green - Avery Bradley - Alex Caruso
SF: LeBron James - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Talen Horton-Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis - Markieff Morris - Jared Dudley
C: JaVale McGee - Dwight Howard - DeMarcus Cousins
Not the most ideal roster construction there IMO. I'd probably look to then trade Bradley if it came to that |
PG - Collison - Rose - Rondo
SG - Green - Bradley - Caruso
C - Howard - Morris - McGee
PF - Davis - Mbah a Moute - Dudley
SF - James - Pope - Horton-Tucker
Cut Cousins. Hire him as a (wink-wink) development coach so he can rehab and still get a ring.
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LakerMindLA
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| alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | Kuzma + Cook + Daniels for Rose + Morris
Sign Allen Crabbe (hopefully he gets bought out)
PG: LeBron James - Derrick Rose - Rajon Rondo
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What makes you so sure Vogel wouldn't play Rondo and Rose together and have Rondo handle the ball? |
So you mean Rose at SG? I think Vogel will be smart enough to put a 35% and above shooter in at least one of the guard spots, so that'll be a Rose/Caruso backcourt |
You would think Vogel would be smart enough not play Rondo now. Not play Rondo with Lebron.
Rondo is playing ahead of better players.
I think he would continue to play even with Rose. |
I can't see it, Rose will specifically be brought in not only to be a shot creator, but to run the offense, which means having Rondo on at the same time is irrelevant
I mean obviously you can never know for sure |
You can throw all rational decision making out the window when it comes to Rondo.
Even tonight, when Vogel could have barely played him, he went to him early and for a very long stint in the 1st half. |
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alleyoop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | PG - Collison - Rose - Rondo
SG - Green - Bradley - Caruso
C - Howard - Morris - McGee
PF - Davis - Mbah a Moute - Dudley
SF - James - Pope - Horton-Tucker
Cut Cousins. Hire him as a (wink-wink) development coach so he can rehab and still get a ring. |
Yeah I like the idea of that, but I'm not sure how realistic it is
Also I wouldn't be using Morris as a full time backup center, I'd just put four power forwards on that depth chart lol
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Vogel has no offensive system. Just lebron ball |
And poor spacing with AD clogging the lane.
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Vogel can take a hint.
If the Lakers bring in two new PGs, two established vets, Vogel will work the new guys and phase Rondo out ... and being that Collison and Rose are both well-established, I think Rondo takes his demotion like a champ.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Vogel has no offensive system. Just lebron ball |
And poor spacing with AD clogging the lane. |
AD too soft to play center hence we have to play stupid McGee at center |
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PASTOR RILEY
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| McGee is just one dumb player |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
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| This team is just way too small and unathletic on the perimeter to match up with certain teams.. really hoping for an MKG buyout at this point |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Vogel has no offensive system. Just lebron ball |
That's the case with all LeBron's superteam ideas. Whatever offense the team did was thrown out the window and it becomes LeBron ball.
It works when they have, three all-stars. They only have 2 this year.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
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| LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need?
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Jesusdelonla
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| alleyoop wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need? |
Yes but the most important is getting physicals wings. We have lost to clippers, bucks and Boston who have them.
Heck even Aaron Gordan gave us some fits.
Sign collision and trade kuzma for wing help |
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alleyoop
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need? |
Yes but the most important is getting physicals wings. We have lost to clippers, bucks and Boston who have them.
Heck even Aaron Gordan gave us some fits.
Sign collision and trade kuzma for wing help |
So someone who can go out and tenaciously defend wings, are we talking about? Because you could probably trade Bradley for that, we already have Caruso/KCP/Green as guard defenders
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| alleyoop wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need? |
Rondo could be out of the rotation tomorrow and the team wouldn’t miss a beat without adding anyone else to the roster.
We’ve played some of our best ball when Rondo has been injured or barely played. |
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I was one of the first to suggest Rose and Morris for Kuzma, Cook and Daniels.
So here is another suggestion. How do you all feel about
Kuzma, Cook, and Daniels for Tucker and Austin Rivers if Houston keeps struggling.
Tucker would give us another great 3 and D player to back up Lebron and Rivrrs gives us another player that can create his own offense. The fact that he would get under Doc's skin is just an added bonus. lol |
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| alleyoop wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need? |
Yes but the most important is getting physicals wings. We have lost to clippers, bucks and Boston who have them.
Heck even Aaron Gordan gave us some fits.
Sign collision and trade kuzma for wing help |
So someone who can go out and tenaciously defend wings, are we talking about? Because you could probably trade Bradley for that, we already have Caruso/KCP/Green as guard defenders |
nobody wants bradley
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alleyoop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Lakers need some long athletic wings and not 2pgs |
This. Every time someone suggest more pgs I just shake my head. |
Do you not think getting Rondo out of the rotation is a need? |
Rondo could be out of the rotation tomorrow and the team wouldn’t miss a beat without adding anyone else to the roster.
We’ve played some of our best ball when Rondo has been injured or barely played. |
I do think that someone like Cook is of better use to us than Rondo, but someone like Collison is probably even more so, as he has the shooting ability combined with the playmaking, best of both worlds
It's about improving the team in as many ways as you can
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| Hye4life wrote: | I was one of the first to suggest Rose and Morris for Kuzma, Cook and Daniels.
So here is another suggestion. How do you all feel about
Kuzma, Cook, and Daniels for Tucker and Austin Rivers if Houston keeps struggling.
Tucker would give us another great 3 and D player to back up Lebron and Rivrrs gives us another player that can create his own offense. The fact that he would get under Doc's skin is just an added bonus. lol |
bruh... no
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