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Sentient Meat
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| 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Shaq, Kareem, Magic, LBJ are generational talents who transformed their teams from when they were rookies.
Our core is a collection of good role players who may or may not develop into more
AD is somewhere in between.
He's missed the playoffs 4 out 6 times... he might miss them again.
He's never advanced beyond the 2nd round
New Orleans record barely changed when he joined the league.
Our guys all resulted in double digit gains in wins... and title runs when they started playing.
Until he leads a team to a conference finals... AD is a Bosh... not a LBJ
To me, Bosh's aren't generational talents
Westbrook puts up big numbers.
Harden puts up big numbers
They aren't generational talents either.
Not until they start winning and changing the culture of the teams they join. |
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| 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks
I would also make the trade after the max free agent signs and not before |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks |
I would like to keep Kuz because I believe he can be a #3 on a contender. The way Lonzo is growing it would be a difficult decision. Ingram, Hart, Svi, draft picks and filler. But it's probably not good enough for them.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks
I would also make the trade after the max free agent signs and not before |
“1 of” haha me too, dude, me too
Is there a way to trade Ingram, Hart, who knows who else and picks while keeping Kuz and Lonzo? Is that even possible?
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Jesusdelonla
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| 32 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks |
I would like to keep Kuz because I believe he can be a #3 on a contender. The way Lonzo is growing it would be a difficult decision. Ingram, Hart, Svi, draft picks and filler. But it's probably not good enough for them. |
U need a unselfish guy like lonzo to feed the big man AD. Agree on kuz as well.
BI + is what I would trade but doubt its enough. But it also complicates the KD pipe |
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Jesusdelonla
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks
I would also make the trade after the max free agent signs and not before |
“1 of” haha me too, dude, me too
Is there a way to trade Ingram, Hart, who knows who else and picks while keeping Kuz and Lonzo? Is that even possible? |
I would just concentrate honestly on kawhi instead of KD. KD is 30 while KL is 26 years old |
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Forget the KD hype. If you can get AD in a trade you don't hesitate.
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Can Lonzo be a #3 on a contender?
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Here’s the thought I keep having.
BIG IF...
If the Lakers stay on like 3-4th seed trajectory for the year, no less and they’re really clicking, by the deadline should they just seriously go for it and make a trade for a player to make a run THIS year? Seriously.
Seriously!
Not sure who that player would be, but I think about it.
Is this really a wait it out and see what we have year? LeBron is SO good
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| 32 wrote: | | Forget the KD hype. If you can get AD in a trade you don't hesitate. |
KD plus the core is better than AD
The only way we win with AD is if we get the 3 superstars
AD and LBJ with no bench probably doesn't get it done.
Again, I don't understand the worship here of AD until he actually wins something.
At least Harden and Westbrook get their teams to the finals.
AD can't even get close to that.
Sure you can say he's had bad teammates or bad fits... but that's my point.
Our guys won with bad teammates and bad fits.
AD is a great player... but we are better off with KD and the core. |
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Yes if it's AD you empty the barrel and go for it. No questions asked. They probably won't want Lonzo because the have Jrue. Here it is Ingram, Kuz, Hart, draft picks and filler.
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Lebron/Lonzo/AD - Get a sharp shooter and decent center and this team will be deadly.
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| 32 wrote: | | Yes if it's AD you empty the barrel and go for it. No questions asked. They probably won't want Lonzo because the have Jrue. Here it is Ingram, Kuz, Hart, draft picks and filler. |
I know I agree. Damn if there’s just a way to thrown in an extra pick to keep Kuzma, that kind of a contract and production would be nuts to keep. You use picks praying they’re as good as Kuzma is, we already have him.
Gun to my head of course I’d trade him in the deal. Ugh lol I am extremely biased might as well own it 
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Shaq, Kareem, Magic, LBJ are generational talents who transformed their teams from when they were rookies.
Our core is a collection of good role players who may or may not develop into more
AD is somewhere in between.
He's missed the playoffs 4 out 6 times... he might miss them again.
He's never advanced beyond the 2nd round
New Orleans record barely changed when he joined the league.
Our guys all resulted in double digit gains in wins... and title runs when they started playing.
Until he leads a team to a conference finals... AD is a Bosh... not a LBJ
To me, Bosh's aren't generational talents
Westbrook puts up big numbers.
Harden puts up big numbers
They aren't generational talents either.
Not until they start winning and changing the culture of the teams they join. |
As I was reading this the player that immediately popped up in my head was Pau Gasol. A lot of similarities there.
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AD and LeBron would be unstoppable. Just hope at least one of the kids can stay.
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What some of you are saying is you want to trade for AD, but you don't want to pay the price which is the core.
Not half the core... all the analysts say you need to trade almost all of it.
LBJ is going to be old.
We don't have another elite agent locked down.
So in essence we are going to send our core to New Orleans and have AD and LBJ for a couple more years... then we will become worse than the Pelicans as LBJ ages.
And that's if AD's body holds up which is no guarantee.
He's a great player but you aren't thinking it through.
And there's no point fantasizing about scenarios that won't get the trade done. |
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I said Kuz, Hart and Ingram. If they want Lonzo I would take Kuz out. I would even throw in Svi. 3 out of 4 with draft picks.
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| manlisten wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Shaq, Kareem, Magic, LBJ are generational talents who transformed their teams from when they were rookies.
Our core is a collection of good role players who may or may not develop into more
AD is somewhere in between.
He's missed the playoffs 4 out 6 times... he might miss them again.
He's never advanced beyond the 2nd round
New Orleans record barely changed when he joined the league.
Our guys all resulted in double digit gains in wins... and title runs when they started playing.
Until he leads a team to a conference finals... AD is a Bosh... not a LBJ
To me, Bosh's aren't generational talents
Westbrook puts up big numbers.
Harden puts up big numbers
They aren't generational talents either.
Not until they start winning and changing the culture of the teams they join. |
As I was reading this the player that immediately popped up in my head was Pau Gasol. A lot of similarities there. |
I covered that scenario earlier last week. Even Pau won fifty games with James Posey, Jason Williams, and Mike Miller
AD has never won fifty games.
Sure AD is a better player... but are we overestimating his winning ability? |
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Sentient Meat
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| 32 wrote: | | I said Kuz, Hart and Ingram. If they want Lonzo I would take Kuz out. I would even throw in Svi. 3 out of 4 with draft picks. |
It's a catch 22 because if Svi keeps scoring in double figures at 40% from 3... if Kuz keeps averaging over 20... if Hart and Ingram find their mojo again... then maybe that gets it done.
But if all those things happen... I don't want to get rid of them. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Shaq, Kareem, Magic, LBJ are generational talents who transformed their teams from when they were rookies.
Our core is a collection of good role players who may or may not develop into more
AD is somewhere in between.
He's missed the playoffs 4 out 6 times... he might miss them again.
He's never advanced beyond the 2nd round
New Orleans record barely changed when he joined the league.
Our guys all resulted in double digit gains in wins... and title runs when they started playing.
Until he leads a team to a conference finals... AD is a Bosh... not a LBJ
To me, Bosh's aren't generational talents
Westbrook puts up big numbers.
Harden puts up big numbers
They aren't generational talents either.
Not until they start winning and changing the culture of the teams they join. |
As I was reading this the player that immediately popped up in my head was Pau Gasol. A lot of similarities there. |
I covered that scenario earlier last week. Even Pau won fifty games with James Posey, Jason Williams, and Mike Miller
AD has never won fifty games.
Sure AD is a better player... but are we overestimating his winning ability? |
Definitely agree with you there. As talented as he is I think he's been miscast as a #1 guy. He's more Pau/KG than LeBron. He'd compliment LeBron perfectly like how Pau was for Kobe.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks
I would also make the trade after the max free agent signs and not before |
Due to their contracts Kuzma and Hart. I doubt that they want to turn around and pay Ingram. I think that Ball and Holiday would work but if selling the team is in their future, I doubt that they want any part of Lavar.
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| 32 wrote: | | Yes if it's AD you empty the barrel and go for it. No questions asked. They probably won't want Lonzo because the have Jrue. Here it is Ingram, Kuz, Hart, draft picks and filler. |
The Lakers will have cap space after the season, it would be a chance for NO to cut salaries.
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Definitely agree with you there. As talented as he is I think he's been miscast as a #1 guy. He's more Pau/KG than LeBron. He'd compliment LeBron perfectly like how Pau was for Kobe. |
To sign him as a free agent is a no brainer.
But to trade away the core with no third star lined up?
I wouldn't bet against AD/LBJ/third elite plus minimum contract guys.
But it is risky because LBJ can't get old yet... and AD can't get hurt.
The Western conference has no room for error.
If AD plays 66 games... this means we start the season with almost a 16 game handicap.
That could be the difference between winning the conference and being out of the playoffs in the West.
No one questions AD's quality as a player.
What I question is can we win with no bench and a 35 year old and an injury prone superstar.
Even KD can't win without Steph and Draymond being healthy.
How is he going to win when AD is not there and if LBJ starts aging?
Personally, I'd go with the free elite signing and the core... over AD because although it might be slightly worse... it would still be enough to win a title... and it's more impervious to injury. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | AD is a generational talent. If you can get him in a trade then all of our young players should be on the table. |
Which ones r all?
I'd trade Ingram + 1 of kuz/lonzo + fillers + picks
I would also make the trade after the max free agent signs and not before |
Due to their contracts Kuzma and Hart. I doubt that they want to turn around and pay Ingram. I think that Ball and Holiday would work but if selling the team is in their future, I doubt that they want any part of Lavar. |
We still making the lavar excuse now when he hasn't said a thing in months?
If they don't want zo fine by me |
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