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ChickenStu Retired Number
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epic_ wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Wait, what's good about Josh Jackson now? It looks like's gone from putrid bad to merely bad in a limited bench role. |
It's the oldest trick in the book.
The less you see a player play, the less you see his crappiness.
The more you think a leopard will change his spots. |
I'm not necessarily expecting him to turn into a solid NBA rotation player, even, but he's still only 23. As much as I have hammered Kuz, I can at least recognize that he is an established NBA rotation player, if nothing else. JJ is certainly not that, yet. But he's 23. There are some tools there. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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epic_ wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Wait, what's good about Josh Jackson now? It looks like's gone from putrid bad to merely bad in a limited bench role. |
It's the oldest trick in the book.
The less you see a player play, the less you see his crappiness.
The more you think a leopard will change his spots. |
I know a lot of posters here hate numbers, but not even the most rabid NBA fan here doesn't have time to watch tape on all these players they love, so...the numbers are a far more useful shorthand than one game in which the guy plays well against the Lakers in limited minutes.
Give me the next David Nwaba, not the failed hype of Josh Jackson. _________________ Under New Management |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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lol @ Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris getting a combined 14 points on 16 shots in their Clippers debut. _________________ Under New Management |
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hype Star Player
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | lol @ Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris getting a combined 14 points on 16 shots in their Clippers debut. |
You had 14 and 16 so thought i'd throw in a nice stat with a 15 which is the amount of turnovers those 2 along with the living legend lou combined for.
People love to make fun of the whole "chemistry" thing with the Lakers at this point but man watching us play and then them it really makes you appreciate it that much more. It's hard to imagine that locker room gets along well at all and if they don't start winning at a much higher rate very soon it could start getting ugly real quick with all those unhappy personalities. |
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ThePageDude Star Player
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Much as I'd like to revel in their misfortune it's a bit early to pass judgement on them. Their gamble is whether they can get the new players acclimated in the next 28 games or so. We will have a similar runway with Markieff. We shall see.
hype wrote: |
You had 14 and 16 so thought i'd throw in a nice stat with a 15 which is the amount of turnovers those 2 along with the living legend lou combined for.
People love to make fun of the whole "chemistry" thing with the Lakers at this point but man watching us play and then them it really makes you appreciate it that much more. It's hard to imagine that locker room gets along well at all and if they don't start winning at a much higher rate very soon it could start getting ugly real quick with all those unhappy personalities. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | lol @ Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris getting a combined 14 points on 16 shots in their Clippers debut. |
Still a solid move, above avg 2nd unit... but I can't see Lou and Montrezl being happy with these moves, they got 20 something game to either work it or blow up |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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ThePageDude wrote: | Much as I'd like to revel in their misfortune it's a bit early to pass judgement on them. Their gamble is whether they can get the new players acclimated in the next 28 games or so. We will have a similar runway with Markieff. We shall see.
hype wrote: |
You had 14 and 16 so thought i'd throw in a nice stat with a 15 which is the amount of turnovers those 2 along with the living legend lou combined for.
People love to make fun of the whole "chemistry" thing with the Lakers at this point but man watching us play and then them it really makes you appreciate it that much more. It's hard to imagine that locker room gets along well at all and if they don't start winning at a much higher rate very soon it could start getting ugly real quick with all those unhappy personalities. |
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Totally fair. Even if this board would have been going nuts if they both had good games. _________________ Clippers are our Daddy. |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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If the Bulls donβt have a massive shakeup this summer, Zach is on his way out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_MarcusD3_/status/1231429552456552448
I personally donβt think we have the sssets to get it done, but maybe dude kills his value so much, we have a chance. Plus Zach, keep saying how bad you want to play with Bron and βa big manβ. |
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Robster8989 Star Player
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If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Gordon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
West Point '88
UCLA '92
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
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Robster8989 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
Yeah it would still work.
The Mavs may actually be under the cap enough to simply absorb Green with no money going back to Orllando, so it still could work in the off season. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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DrDent Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Im gonna wait and see before giving any real comments, other than: preliminarily, im ok with the yet to be officially completed addition of Markieff |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Robster8989 wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
Yeah it would still work.
The Mavs may actually be under the cap enough to simply absorb Green with no money going back to Orllando, so it still could work in the off season. |
the only thing is Gordon for Kuz + late 1st... you gonna have to sell hard to get them to say yes |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
We're going to see a lot of this nonsense between now and the summer. Our outgoing package is crap: Green, Kuzma, and the #29 or #30 pick. Someone will come up with a reason why other teams would want our crap. We will be receiving something that the poster perceives to be valuable.
This particular scenario is less ridiculous than most, except for the fact that it requires a four team trade. We'd be getting Oubre, who is an average player. Most of these scenarios will have us getting an all-star or near all-star. |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | lol @ Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris getting a combined 14 points on 16 shots in their Clippers debut. |
those guys will probably settle in; i wouldn't judge the clip's moves based
on a few games. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
We're going to see a lot of this nonsense between now and the summer. Our outgoing package is crap: Green, Kuzma, and the #29 or #30 pick. Someone will come up with a reason why other teams would want our crap. We will be receiving something that the poster perceives to be valuable.
This particular scenario is less ridiculous than most, except for the fact that it requires a four team trade. We'd be getting Oubre, who is an average player. Most of these scenarios will have us getting an all-star or near all-star. |
yep some are unrealistic but that will be Pelinka's number 1 job this off season... maximizing the return value of Kuzma+2020 1st+filler _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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audioaxes wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Godon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I think a deal like that will be more appropriate in the off season. |
We're going to see a lot of this nonsense between now and the summer. Our outgoing package is crap: Green, Kuzma, and the #29 or #30 pick. Someone will come up with a reason why other teams would want our crap. We will be receiving something that the poster perceives to be valuable.
This particular scenario is less ridiculous than most, except for the fact that it requires a four team trade. We'd be getting Oubre, who is an average player. Most of these scenarios will have us getting an all-star or near all-star. |
yep some are unrealistic but that will be Pelinka's number 1 job this off season... maximizing the return value of Kuzma+2020 1st+filler |
Itβs not just Pelinka, Kuzma and whoever we send out in the summer also have to show out in the playoffs so teams can have high regard with our players. |
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DrDent Franchise Player
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | lol @ Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris getting a combined 14 points on 16 shots in their Clippers debut. |
Jackson is washed up imo, his injury didnt help but im glad clippers want him to try and be their beverley while that guy is hurt. Clippers trying hard to keep lou/ montrez as their bench mob. |
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My favorite part of being a basketball fanatic is predicting players on the upswing and finding valuethere. I wanted us to trade down and draft Lavine and Hood in the 2014 NBA draft. I wanted us to trade for Josh Jackson earlier this season.
Right now I want to trade Kuzma for Toronto's Boucher this offseason. His stats are so pedestrian (if you ignore PER), but a year or two from now. People will see his value. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you betterβ |
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BlueNGold Star Player
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Robster8989 wrote: | If we had known we'd be getting Kieff, this would have been a good trade for all involved:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tjcwy5c
Orlando moves Gordon and gets Kuz (a nice inexpensive back up for Isaac) and a Laker first. They could buy out Lee and be done with it.
Dallas gets Green, whom they covet, for Lee's expiring and the W's 2nd.
Phx moves Oubre, whom they like, but have Bridges and Johnson to step in, and get Gordon, who is actually a good fit at PF (a big need) and has U of A roots.
Lakers get Oubre, young 3&D wing who can play the 2 or the 3. He can score and defend, plus we get the W's 2nd rounder (likely the first pick in the 2nd round, so perhaps just 2 picks later than our own first), so still have a fairly valuable asset to select a player we like or make available in another trade.
Could still do it in the off season (minus the Dallas component), then use the MLE on a PG, like Dragic.
Dragic/Caruso/Rondo
Oubre/KCP/Bradley
LBJ/Oubre
AD/Kieff
Jav.Dwight/DMC |
I'd love to get Oubre. |
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Happy about the Kieff signing. Ideally we sign a better backup PG but it is what it is. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Call it here first:
Tatum will be a Laker one day.
Love that kid, no (bleep) just straight up baller and no pink hair |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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did tatum even workout with the lakers?
i dont remember he did |
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epic_ Franchise Player
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I like this rondo. _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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scout0_0 wrote: | Call it here first:
Tatum will be a Laker one day.
Love that kid, no (bleep) just straight up baller and no pink hair |
Why would the Celtics let him go?, and they are contenders |
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