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| Inverse wrote: | | Well I hope the lakers don’t trade him to a conference rival for a washed up player and a draft pick |
It's a delicate situation because he has a trade veto and at the same time you want to appease his agent Rich Paul. I'm not sure if kcp change his mind.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | | Well I hope the lakers don’t trade him to a conference rival for a washed up player and a draft pick |
It's a delicate situation because he has a trade veto and at the same time you want to appease his agent Rich Paul. I'm not sure if kcp change his mind. |
I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day LeBron is a laker. Rich Paul isn’t driving any players away from the Lakers no matter what the Lakers do with KCP at this point. It’s a moot point
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No way Houston gives up EG |
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| epak wrote: |
No way Houston gives up EG |
No way the Lakers take him. They're not taking anybody back tied beyond 2019. It would have to be expiring and a 1st round. Similar to the Lou Williams deal we made with them. |
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| epak wrote: |
No way Houston gives up EG |
Yeah I agree, we probably have a better chance at getting Gerald Green. |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | epak wrote: |
No way Houston gives up EG |
No way the Lakers take him. They're not taking anybody back tied beyond 2019. It would have to be expiring and a 1st round. Similar to the Lou Williams deal we made with them. |
Yep to both |
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| At the end of the day, I think we put Kawhi in a room with Magic, LeBron, and Kobe and I think it is going to be hard for him to say no. I think LeBron will tell him it's his team as in the prime star and then we trade Lonzo, BI, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, (2) 1sts for AD and maybe one of their contracts they want to get off the books. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Maginka wrote: | | At the end of the day, I think we put Kawhi in a room with Magic, LeBron, and Kobe and I think it is going to be hard for him to say no. I think LeBron will tell him it's his team as in the prime star and then we trade Lonzo, BI, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, (2) 1sts for AD and maybe one of their contracts they want to get off the books. |
The win now lose later approach. I love it |
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| I haven't even thought about a 3rd max scenario. If the Lakers get KL or KD, can they still make a trade for AD? |
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| epak wrote: | | Maginka wrote: | | At the end of the day, I think we put Kawhi in a room with Magic, LeBron, and Kobe and I think it is going to be hard for him to say no. I think LeBron will tell him it's his team as in the prime star and then we trade Lonzo, BI, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, (2) 1sts for AD and maybe one of their contracts they want to get off the books. |
The win now lose later approach. I love it |
How is it win now and lose later when Kawhi Is older then AD? |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Maginka wrote: | | At the end of the day, I think we put Kawhi in a room with Magic, LeBron, and Kobe and I think it is going to be hard for him to say no. I think LeBron will tell him it's his team as in the prime star and then we trade Lonzo, BI, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, (2) 1sts for AD and maybe one of their contracts they want to get off the books. |
The win now lose later approach. I love it |
How is it win now and lose later when Kawhi Is older then AD? |
Win now. And when AD goes down with injury in the future, lose later. Duh. |
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| Maginka wrote: | | At the end of the day, I think we put Kawhi in a room with Magic, LeBron, and Kobe and I think it is going to be hard for him to say no. I think LeBron will tell him it's his team as in the prime star and then we trade Lonzo, BI, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, (2) 1sts for AD and maybe one of their contracts they want to get off the books. |
Kuz instead of ZO then. We'd have enough scorers(Bron, KL, AD), but need a playmaker longterm other than 35 year old Bron.
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As sh*t as we've been... and I've been thoroughly depressed this entire road trip except for the Charlotte game... we still have a better record than New Orleans.
I expect Randle and AD to go off on us for 40 each without McGee... but it doesn't change the reality that as much as we suffered... AD's team is still worse than ours.
Signing AD as a free agent... good.
Trading away all of our depth to trade places with the Pelicans... not so much. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | As sh*t as we've been... and I've been thoroughly depressed this entire road trip except for the Charlotte game... we still have a better record than New Orleans.
I expect Randle and AD to go off on us for 40 each without McGee... but it doesn't change the reality that as much as we suffered... AD's team is still worse than ours.
Signing AD as a free agent... good.
Trading away all of our depth to trade places with the Pelicans... not so much. |
McGee gonna miss NO game too? 
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | As sh*t as we've been... and I've been thoroughly depressed this entire road trip except for the Charlotte game... we still have a better record than New Orleans.
I expect Randle and AD to go off on us for 40 each without McGee... but it doesn't change the reality that as much as we suffered... AD's team is still worse than ours.
Signing AD as a free agent... good.
Trading away all of our depth to trade places with the Pelicans... not so much. |
McGee gonna miss NO game too? |
I have no idea, but usually a flu takes awhile before you are back at full strength. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | As sh*t as we've been... and I've been thoroughly depressed this entire road trip except for the Charlotte game... we still have a better record than New Orleans.
I expect Randle and AD to go off on us for 40 each without McGee... but it doesn't change the reality that as much as we suffered... AD's team is still worse than ours.
Signing AD as a free agent... good.
Trading away all of our depth to trade places with the Pelicans... not so much. |
McGee gonna miss NO game too? |
I have no idea, but usually a flu takes awhile before you are back at full strength. |
McGee has asthma issues too and TC too old/past his prime to play starter minutes. FO really messed up with some Center choices. Keeping Zu instead of Thomas Bryant looking like a terrible move.
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | As sh*t as we've been... and I've been thoroughly depressed this entire road trip except for the Charlotte game... we still have a better record than New Orleans.
I expect Randle and AD to go off on us for 40 each without McGee... but it doesn't change the reality that as much as we suffered... AD's team is still worse than ours.
Signing AD as a free agent... good.
Trading away all of our depth to trade places with the Pelicans... not so much. |
McGee gonna miss NO game too? |
I have no idea, but usually a flu takes awhile before you are back at full strength. |
McGee has asthma issues too and TC too old/past his prime to play starter minutes. FO really messed up with some Center choices. Keeping Zu instead of Thomas Bryant looking like a terrible move. |
Yeah, I don't get how we couldn't tell Zu would be bad... does he dominate our bigs in practice?
No excuse for us for us not to figure it out in advance. |
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Just to add to the center discussion, suppose we do get our wish this summer and sign a max FA.
Do we have any money left over to sign a decent center? The center position looks like its needs a lot of work and I doubt Javale is going to be down with the vet min.
Heck, why did Cousins have to injure himself. Seriously, of all the max options he would have been the best given our needs at center.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: |
Yeah, I don't get how we couldn't tell Zu would be bad... does he dominate our bigs in practice?
No excuse for us for us not to figure it out in advance. |
Maybe it was a seniority thing where they assumed the guy who has been in the league longer would play better in real game situations.
It's not unheard of for players to hold back in practice. In the words of Allan Iverson, 'it's practice man, just practice!' |
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If we do trade KCP. I'd prefer he goes out of conference. Not trying to help anybody in the crowded playoff race. And I only want an expiring coming back.
We don't have to trade him though. I know he's in a rut. But he can still improve on his 36% from 3. And I like his defense more than Svi's.
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Something to consider: if the Pelicans made Anthony Davis available, you have to wonder if they would tear it down and totally rebuild, and that means wanting as many draft assets as possible. To that end, if you're the Pelicans, wouldn't you rather have Brandon Knight and the Rockets' 2019 1st rounder, as opposed to, say, KCP from us? (I think the Pelicans could also opt to deal Holiday for whatever draft assets/young players they could get, too.)
I bring this up because if we traded KCP to the Rockets for Knight and their 2019 1st, we could then have another 1st round pick at our disposal to offer the Pelicans. If they could get Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Knight, and Houston's 2019 1st, the Lakers' 2019 1st, and the Lakers' 2021 1st, that is probably more compelling to them than KCP for the rest of this year and not having the Houston 2019 1st.
Or, even if it weren't an AD deal, say we just took Knight into the offseason with us, along with the Houston 1st. (Atlanta immediately comes to mind; instead of Lin as a backup to Trae Young, they could have Knight in that role and get yet another 1st for their troubles, or they could just waive him, whatever.) I think it's highly likely that a team would be willing to take Knight for that Houston 1st. I just think it's an interesting possibility to consider, that getting an extra 1st round pick could be advantageous for us in trade talks, particularly if a team that wants to rebuild is getting Knight and that pick. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Something to consider: if the Pelicans made Anthony Davis available, you have to wonder if they would tear it down and totally rebuild, and that means wanting as many draft assets as possible. To that end, if you're the Pelicans, wouldn't you rather have Brandon Knight and the Rockets' 2019 1st rounder, as opposed to, say, KCP from us? (I think the Pelicans could also opt to deal Holiday for whatever draft assets/young players they could get, too.)
I bring this up because if we traded KCP to the Rockets for Knight and their 2019 1st, we could then have another 1st round pick at our disposal to offer the Pelicans. If they could get Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Knight, and Houston's 2019 1st, the Lakers' 2019 1st, and the Lakers' 2021 1st, that is probably more compelling to them than KCP for the rest of this year and not having the Houston 2019 1st.
Or, even if it weren't an AD deal, say we just took Knight into the offseason with us, along with the Houston 1st. (Atlanta immediately comes to mind; instead of Lin as a backup to Trae Young, they could have Knight in that role and get yet another 1st for their troubles, or they could just waive him, whatever.) I think it's highly likely that a team would be willing to take Knight for that Houston 1st. I just think it's an interesting possibility to consider, that getting an extra 1st round pick could be advantageous for us in trade talks, particularly if a team that wants to rebuild is getting Knight and that pick. |
If the Pelicans were trading Davis, they'd try to get as much as they could from the Celtics and some of those "non-celtics' 1st round picks they own.
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What about getting DLO and Randle back for 15 M each if we don't get a max FA?  Then we have enough assets and depth to trade for AD. Kuz, BI, Rondo(8 M, filler) and couple of firsts for AD.
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Hart as 6th man. Unlikely since Maginka burnt those bridges. Getting no max FA and trading 2-3 of our young core will mean we lack good players in many areas unless we can get one or two good young players on good contracts.
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| MJST wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Something to consider: if the Pelicans made Anthony Davis available, you have to wonder if they would tear it down and totally rebuild, and that means wanting as many draft assets as possible. To that end, if you're the Pelicans, wouldn't you rather have Brandon Knight and the Rockets' 2019 1st rounder, as opposed to, say, KCP from us? (I think the Pelicans could also opt to deal Holiday for whatever draft assets/young players they could get, too.)
I bring this up because if we traded KCP to the Rockets for Knight and their 2019 1st, we could then have another 1st round pick at our disposal to offer the Pelicans. If they could get Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Knight, and Houston's 2019 1st, the Lakers' 2019 1st, and the Lakers' 2021 1st, that is probably more compelling to them than KCP for the rest of this year and not having the Houston 2019 1st.
Or, even if it weren't an AD deal, say we just took Knight into the offseason with us, along with the Houston 1st. (Atlanta immediately comes to mind; instead of Lin as a backup to Trae Young, they could have Knight in that role and get yet another 1st for their troubles, or they could just waive him, whatever.) I think it's highly likely that a team would be willing to take Knight for that Houston 1st. I just think it's an interesting possibility to consider, that getting an extra 1st round pick could be advantageous for us in trade talks, particularly if a team that wants to rebuild is getting Knight and that pick. |
If the Pelicans were trading Davis, they'd try to get as much as they could from the Celtics and some of those "non-celtics' 1st round picks they own. |
I was thinking more along the lines of if the Pelicans made AD available before the end of this year, because in that case, Boston can't get him unless they trade Kyrie. I also think that we have a better package to offer to the Pelicans, anyway, unless the Celtics trade Tatum. And if they do, there's nothing we can do because he's a far superior asset to anything we have. |
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