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| iimarshon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | More likely?
Giannis to Lakers in 2021.
Beal to Lakers in 2022?
I say the latter. And I wouldn't be mad if we planned accordingly. |
I see no way Giannis comes to Lakers (or Clippers).
I think its Bucks or Raptors. I really think there's a good chance he stays w Bucks personally.
My hope is between now and 2022 we can acquire a Dinwiddie type -- a "half star" and then Beal in 2022. |
I don't think a 1 year MLE is going to be as attractive. 2 years? Better.
Plus, we have a ton of expirings that can be packaged for players with 2 years left on their deals.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | More likely?
Giannis to Lakers in 2021.
Beal to Lakers in 2022?
I say the latter. And I wouldn't be mad if we planned accordingly. |
I see no way Giannis comes to Lakers (or Clippers).
I think its Bucks or Raptors. I really think there's a good chance he stays w Bucks personally.
My hope is between now and 2022 we can acquire a Dinwiddie type -- a "half star" and then Beal in 2022. |
I don't think a 1 year MLE is going to be as attractive. 2 years? Better.
Plus, we have a ton of expirings that can be packaged for players with 2 years left on their deals. |
Do you think that Beal + AD is good enough? |
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iimarshon
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If we cant get Dinwiddie or LaVine or Jrue or Schroder, then:
• Split the MLE between Ariza + Darren Collison (can we split the 9.5m MLE? i forget)
• Resign Markief Morris with the bi-annual exception
• Bring back Boogie, Dudley on vet mins
• I think KCP, Rondo, McGee and Bradley pick up their options
• Draft Cassius Winston or Desmond Bane at #28
• Let Dwight and Waiters walk -- even tho i like both a lot. Lakers and Klutch seem to like McGee a lot so i think they keep him over Dwight.
• Dont pickup Cook's option
That leaves us with 16 players so one of the above would need to go (maybe its Dudley tho i love him as a 15th man/locker room guy. Maybe its only Collison OR Ariza tho I think we need a PG and a wing defender).
I still think we make a trade --- like Green + #28 for something (what does that even get us back though?)
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| danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | More likely?
Giannis to Lakers in 2021.
Beal to Lakers in 2022?
I say the latter. And I wouldn't be mad if we planned accordingly. |
I see no way Giannis comes to Lakers (or Clippers).
I think its Bucks or Raptors. I really think there's a good chance he stays w Bucks personally.
My hope is between now and 2022 we can acquire a Dinwiddie type -- a "half star" and then Beal in 2022. |
I don't think a 1 year MLE is going to be as attractive. 2 years? Better.
Plus, we have a ton of expirings that can be packaged for players with 2 years left on their deals. |
Do you think that Beal + AD is good enough? |
I wasn't sure Bron + AD was enough, so yeah i think those two can be. Especially if AD keeps ascending and goes from being #5-7th best player in NBA to say #3-4 range.
Also im confident Rob would put a great team together as hes shown this year.
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danzag
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Ariza is 35 years old. Can he contribute?
Specially if you're talking about using our MLE on him |
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iimarshon
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| danzag wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | More likely?
Giannis to Lakers in 2021.
Beal to Lakers in 2022?
I say the latter. And I wouldn't be mad if we planned accordingly. |
I see no way Giannis comes to Lakers (or Clippers).
I think its Bucks or Raptors. I really think there's a good chance he stays w Bucks personally.
My hope is between now and 2022 we can acquire a Dinwiddie type -- a "half star" and then Beal in 2022. |
I don't think a 1 year MLE is going to be as attractive. 2 years? Better.
Plus, we have a ton of expirings that can be packaged for players with 2 years left on their deals. |
Do you think that Beal + AD is good enough? |
I wasn't sure Bron + AD was enough, so yeah i think those two can be. Especially if AD keeps ascending and goes from being #5-7th best player in NBA to say #3-4 range.
Also im confident Rob would put a great team together as hes shown this year.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him.
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| danzag wrote: | Ariza is 35 years old. Can he contribute?
Specially if you're talking about using our MLE on him |
He improved a lot once he went from the cemetery of Sacramento to Portland lol.
Went back to shooting 40% from 3 and playing good D.
I am biased and always have a soft spot for Trev but given the weak FA class and his experience, i looooove him on a one year deal.
Give me Ariza over most attainable FA's except maybe Clarkson.
Theres not many good wing defenders in FA.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him. |
I think I like Cassius Winston more than Tre Jones.
Desmond Bane is someone we should look at.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | More likely?
Giannis to Lakers in 2021.
Beal to Lakers in 2022?
I say the latter. And I wouldn't be mad if we planned accordingly. |
Exactly. LaVine as a back up plan to Beal.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Denzel Valentine is restricted. I have not seen much of him but he has playmaking chops for sure. Do the Bulls let him walk? |
is he healthy? |
He's not good. |
He should have never played in the drew league 😳
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| iimarshon wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him. |
I think I like Cassius Winston more than Tre Jones.
Desmond Bane is someone we should look at. |
I think we’re mocked to get Desmond Bane on Tankathon or something. Good SG. Early replacement for Danny Green? 
Not sure who Cassius Winston though. What’s he like?
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | With the salary cap basically staying flat for the next 2-3 years, do the Lakers give up on the 2021 plan?
With a salary cap of $109, I don't see how we get anywhere close to a max unless Lebron is willing to give up $20m. |
We should. We're not getting a max guy in 2021.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him. |
I think I like Cassius Winston more than Tre Jones.
Desmond Bane is someone we should look at. |
I think we’re mocked to get Desmond Bane on Tankathon or something. Good SG. Early replacement for Danny Green?
Not sure who Cassius Winston though. What’s he like? |
Cassius Winston is basically Tre Jones but he shoots 3's.
He's only 6'0. But 4 year starter at Mich St.
Averaged 19 its / 6 asst / 4 reb last year and shot 3's at 43% on 6 attempts per game.
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What can Danny Green + #28 get us?
Thats the Q I keep coming back to.
I dont think we can get Dinwiddie without giving up Kuzma and/or Caruso.
Not sure we have enough to get Schroder either.
Does Green + #28 get us Kelly Oubre?
We will need a PG and a wing defender.
So with Green/#28 + 9.5m MLE, we need to accomplish those two.
A stretch center would be nice - but that's why i think we give Boogie a chance at vet min.
Kief will come back for bi-annual exception - especially cos Marcus will resign with Clippers and Morris Bros can keep living with one another in LA.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Nets will need someone who isn't a high volume player since KD/Kyrie are on that team.
But trading away Green leaves us exposed defensively on the wing. Dinwiddie is not that.
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My short lists:
Players whose deals will expire by 2022 offseason:
Jrue Holiday
Aaron Gordon
Zach Lavine
Gary Harris
Rubio
Dedmon
Thaddeus Young
Cory Joseph
TJ Warren
Covington
Spencer Dinwiddie
Lamb
George Hill
Aminu
Tarueun Prince
Players whose deals will expire by 2021 offseason:
Lowry
Hayward
Conley
Droz
Porter
Drummond
LMA
Dipo
THJ
Fournier
Oubre
Schroeder
Portis
Gay
JJ Reddick
Mills
Taj
Exum
Jerami Grant
Tucker
Lou
Payton
Rose
Bjelica
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| iimarshon wrote: | | What can Danny Green + #28 get us? |
The #28 pick isn't worth much. On draft day, its value could go up, because some team might prize some player who has slipped that late in the draft. Otherwise, late first round picks have been sold for cash or flipped for high second round picks, which have the benefit of not being linked to a rookie scale contract.
So what it comes down to is whether some team values Danny Green, notwithstanding his age and contract. For a lot of teams, he will have a negative value, or at best be a wash. But there could be someone who gives him a positive value or, ideally, views him as the missing puzzle piece for their roster.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him. |
Tre Jones is like the baseline idea of a good pick this year for LAL. So if he's taken, I'm good, not happy.
There are certain redflag things I saw out of Ramsey on the bball floor, so for me, he's a mid to late 2nd.
| Quote: | | "• Draft Cassius Winston or Desmond Bane at #28" |
Desmond Bane is a steal at 28. Winston? He's fine.
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I can actually see the Nets valuing Green as a 3/D archetype, low usage player who is a good teammate and has championship experience (and an expiring deal). Plus Green is from NY too. I'd keep tabs on this one actually.
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In my mind , best case scenario this offseason:
1) Resign AD of course
2) Rondo opts OUT
3) Avery opts-IN
4) McGee - opts-out
5) KCP Opts-In
Roster Moves:
1) Resign Morris
2) Trade Cook for 2020 2nd rounder (find a prospect for developing)
3) Trade DG/Pick/Kuz for Lavine (fingers crossed)
4) Sign Jordan Clarkson (Rondo replacement on roster)
5) Sign Jeff Teague to chase ring (Cook replacement on roster)
6) Sign Morris brother at discount to chase ring (Kuz replacement on roster)
6) Sign RHJ for defense (JR replacement)
7) See if Cousins can play (Howard replacement)
8) Sign Burks (Dion replacement)
None of this will happen except maybe resigning Morris. But hey I can have fun with random scenarios |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | - Lakers draft Jahmius Ramsey with the 28th pick.
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Honestly, if that's the guy, throw away the pick and save the cap space. |
I mostly mentioned him as an example. I’m guessing you prefer someone like Tre Jones? I wouldn’t mind him as Rondo would be the perfect mentor for him. |
I think I like Cassius Winston more than Tre Jones.
Desmond Bane is someone we should look at. |
I think we’re mocked to get Desmond Bane on Tankathon or something. Good SG. Early replacement for Danny Green?
Not sure who Cassius Winston though. What’s he like? |
Optimistically, Devonte Graham. Both reluctant drivers to finish. Both pull up shooters and willing to take the shots behind the arc. Both solid PnR passers. Winston is stronger.
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I really am the only one that doesn't want Dinwiddie. Hm.
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | A trade that is probably a win-win for both teams.
PG13 for Westbrook. |
Horrible trade for the Clippers
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One thing's for sure though.
I think the Lakers value defense. So if a player is utterly a liability on that end, not sure they will be willing to trade for that player.
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