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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Harden sweepstake
Ainge: Kemba, Brown, Smart and 1sts
Kawhi: PG, Kennard, PatBev, Lou and future future 1sts
GS: Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre, 1sts
Nets: LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Harris, 1sts |
Philly has Simmons to offer up, which might usurp any other offer.
Given the pick protections, the Wizards did great in the trade, by the way. Westbrook is a flawed player for sure, but so is Wall, and Wall is the far more serious injury risk. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
How? Wall and Westbrook’s game both predicated on speed and athleticism, one of them busted their Achilles and either are young |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
wall can't play offball at all and has no jumpshot |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
wall can't play offball at all and has no jumpshot |
Wall is a better jump shooter than Westbrook |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | governator wrote: | Harden sweepstake
Ainge: Kemba, Brown, Smart and 1sts
Kawhi: PG, Kennard, PatBev, Lou and future future 1sts
GS: Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre, 1sts
Nets: LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Harris, 1sts |
Philly has Simmons to offer up, which might usurp any other offer.
Given the pick protections, the Wizards did great in the trade, by the way. Westbrook is a flawed player for sure, but so is Wall, and Wall is the far more serious injury risk. |
Forgot Philly and I’m sure Morey salivating at the Harden-Embiid tandem
Ainge can have the Tatum-Harden, Teague, Tristan, fill out roster AND absorb a $30m player, fawk |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
wall can't play offball at all and has no jumpshot |
Wall is a better jump shooter than Westbrook |
Hassan Whiteside is a better passer than Yinka Dare. _________________ Under New Management |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
wall can't play offball at all and has no jumpshot |
Wall is a better jump shooter than Westbrook |
lol no |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
How? Wall and Westbrook’s game both predicated on speed and athleticism, one of them busted their Achilles and either are young |
It's a brutal injury to overcome. Westbrook is tough to build around, but he put up 27/8/8 as a second option while Wall hasn't played competitive basketball in two years and may never be the same. KD and Klay will still be elite shooters post achilles injury, but outside of his passing vision, Wall's game was predicated on being one of the fastest dudes in the league. _________________ Under New Management |
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DeeAgeaux Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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According to David Aldridge Wall didn't forgo his 15% trade kicker to facilitate the deal. |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | Bad contract aside Wall’s game is more suited for today’s NBA than Westbrook’s. Houston came on top in this trade. |
wall can't play offball at all and has no jumpshot |
Wall is a better jump shooter than Westbrook |
Hassan Whiteside is a better passer than Yinka Dare. |
😂😂 _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Wall is actually a worse midrange shooter.
You are asking whether it is better to have a Westbrook like player with a torn Achilles or Westbrook himself a few years older.
At this point maybe it's about personalities or getting a fresh start.
I don't understand why these guys got paid so much. For me it's a matter of taste... I never liked Iverson either... these athletic chuckers who put up huge numbers inefficiently. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
Wall is only 30. It's pretty unlikely he'll retire if he can play without pain. The greater danger is that he'll come back and be a shell of his former shelf. |
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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DeeAgeaux wrote: | According to David Aldridge Wall didn't forgo his 15% trade kicker to facilitate the deal. |
A trade kicker can’t take you above the player maximum. Most of the time even max guys can get the bump because the cap has risen since they signed their deal. But Wall was no a supermax and the cap is flat this year. That could limit how much he really could get in a trade bonus.
He is going to a state with no income taxes though. He made real money in this deal. |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
Lol. No chance. And the trade wasn't made with that in mind. He didn't have some catastrophic injury. _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player. |
Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.
With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play. |
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | slavavov wrote: |
First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player. |
Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.
With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play. |
Harden has had about the same amount of success as Westbrook. Just saying. _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
Wall is only 30. It's pretty unlikely he'll retire if he can play without pain. The greater danger is that he'll come back and be a shell of his former shelf. |
I'm not referring to him retiring. If the same injury forces him to play fewer than 41 games then the contract is heavily covered by insurance. That's probable.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-are-saving-good-deal-money-thanks-john-wall-insurance-policy-report-says |
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | activeverb wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
Wall is only 30. It's pretty unlikely he'll retire if he can play without pain. The greater danger is that he'll come back and be a shell of his former shelf. |
I'm not referring to him retiring. If the same injury forces him to play fewer than 41 games then the contract is heavily covered by insurance. That's probable.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-are-saving-good-deal-money-thanks-john-wall-insurance-policy-report-says |
Wont happen. Whose Achilles went 2 times? _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ23 wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | slavavov wrote: |
First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player. |
Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.
With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play. |
Harden has had about the same amount of success as Westbrook. Just saying. |
Harden has led two teams to the conf finals, losing to the champs twice and a potential GOAT squad. He lost to the champs last year too. I think Harden is a nut up, but there are only a handful of current players that have led teams as far as he has.
Rookie Donavin Mitchell sent Westbrook home. He has never led a team past round one. |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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If I found out Harden was joining our team, I'd have tears of joy.
If I found out Westbrook was... they'd be tears of sheer agony and pain. |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ23 wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | activeverb wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.
Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team. |
Wall is only 30. It's pretty unlikely he'll retire if he can play without pain. The greater danger is that he'll come back and be a shell of his former shelf. |
I'm not referring to him retiring. If the same injury forces him to play fewer than 41 games then the contract is heavily covered by insurance. That's probable.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-are-saving-good-deal-money-thanks-john-wall-insurance-policy-report-says |
Wont happen. Whose Achilles went 2 times? |
He hasn't played ball in two years. He missed 33 games with a knee injury in 2012. He missed 41 games in 2018 with a knee injury. Then the achilles. He's now 30. |
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | slavavov wrote: |
First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player. |
Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.
With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play. |
Harden doesn’t do much better |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: | LBJ23 wrote: | Dreamshake wrote: | slavavov wrote: |
First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player. |
Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.
With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play. |
Harden has had about the same amount of success as Westbrook. Just saying. |
Harden has led two teams to the conf finals, losing to the champs twice and a potential GOAT squad. He lost to the champs last year too. I think Harden is a nut up, but there are only a handful of current players that have led teams as far as he has.
Rookie Donavin Mitchell sent Westbrook home. He has never led a team past round one. |
What you mean by an handful of players lead teams as far as Harden has? Fool hasn't even led a team to the finals, that handful that has is above Hardens handful. Another handful has led teams to a championship, and that handful is also above Harden. Harden hasn't done anything special. Melo.led the Nuggets to the conference finals, not a big deal, means nothing. _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | governator wrote: | Harden sweepstake
Ainge: Kemba, Brown, Smart and 1sts
Kawhi: PG, Kennard, PatBev, Lou and future future 1sts
GS: Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre, 1sts
Nets: LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Harris, 1sts |
Philly has Simmons to offer up, which might usurp any other offer.
Given the pick protections, the Wizards did great in the trade, by the way. Westbrook is a flawed player for sure, but so is Wall, and Wall is the far more serious injury risk. |
Pelinka counters with: Kuz, Dud, THT, KCP & 5 1st round picks! |
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