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Russell Westbrook
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That sounds like a team built for Russ, fam.
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First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player.


Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.

With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play.


Harden has had about the same amount of success as Westbrook. Just saying.


Harden has led two teams to the conf finals, losing to the champs twice and a potential GOAT squad. He lost to the champs last year too. I think Harden is a nut up, but there are only a handful of current players that have led teams as far as he has.

Rookie Donavin Mitchell sent Westbrook home. He has never led a team past round one.


What you mean by an handful of players lead teams as far as Harden has? Fool hasn't even led a team to the finals, that handful that has is above Hardens handful. Another handful has led teams to a championship, and that handful is also above Harden. Harden hasn't done anything special. Melo.led the Nuggets to the conference finals, not a big deal, means nothing.

Hardens success has always come with running mate and he has always fallen apart when it matters.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:44 pm    Post subject:

Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?
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Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?


Same thing that happened to Aunt Vivian... we don’t ask, and we don’t care.
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Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?


Same thing that happened to Aunt Vivian... we don’t ask, and we don’t care.


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First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player.


Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.

With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play.


This is just two teams with chemistry problems deciding to give alchemy a try. I like this trade better for the Rockets, but only marginally. Wall's contract sucks, but if the team is going to be rebuilding anyway, it may not matter that much. This is especially true if they move Harden. If the Rockets go into full rebuild mode with young players and draft picks, Wall's contract will be coming off the books before the Rockets really need the cap space. There is also the insurance angle, which might be the best case scenario.

The Wizards, on the other hand, need to keep Beal. Westbrook may win them some games, and they should make the playoffs, but Westbrook doesn't seem to get along well with other star players. This does not seem to be the best recipe for keeping Beal happy.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:02 pm    Post subject:

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Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?


Who?
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Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?


Same thing that happened to Aunt Vivian... we don’t ask, and we don’t care.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:04 pm    Post subject:

Dion Waiters would be a good get for our last roster spot.

Ideally would prefer Shaq Harrison though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:23 pm    Post subject:

You guys must be forgetting how good John Wall was when he was healthy he was always killing the Lakers when we were playing the Wizards if he can get back some of his form watch out for the Rockets.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
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Dreamshake wrote:
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First off, Westbrook is not crap. He's a great player.


Nah, he's crap. A stat padding PG that can't shoot (yet doesn't care about it) or defend, that relies on athleticism and is aging. There is a reason his teams go out in round one every year.

With that being said, Wall isn't any better. Garbage for garbage, just the latter has insurance to cover his contract if he can't play.


Harden has had about the same amount of success as Westbrook. Just saying.


Harden has led two teams to the conf finals, losing to the champs twice and a potential GOAT squad. He lost to the champs last year too. I think Harden is a nut up, but there are only a handful of current players that have led teams as far as he has.

Rookie Donavin Mitchell sent Westbrook home. He has never led a team past round one.


What you mean by an handful of players lead teams as far as Harden has? Fool hasn't even led a team to the finals, that handful that has is above Hardens handful. Another handful has led teams to a championship, and that handful is also above Harden. Harden hasn't done anything special. Melo.led the Nuggets to the conference finals, not a big deal, means nothing.

Hardens success has always come with running mate and he has always fallen apart when it matters.


And imo the team that looked far and away the scariest and most dangerous of Hardens teams was the year with CP3 and it was clear he was the best player in the Playoffs until he got hurt which killed there chances. That's why even at the time I was excited to see them trade CP3 for Westbrook which was a huge downgrade.

I for one will never remember Harden as an all time great of this era. Part of that is my own personal disdain for his nearly unwatchable style of play but also the fact he is the polar opposite of clutch when the real season begins. Good regular season stats though!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:34 pm    Post subject:

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I don't think Klutch worries about cap space - they just have their guys demand trades. If Ben Simmons or one of their other guys wants to be here, Rich Paul has already shown he will go scorched earth to make it happen and kill the market for other bidders.


Players and agents really don't have any ability to force trades until their contracts are almost up and they can threaten to leave as free agents. Simmons is under contract through 2025. There really isn't anything Simmons or Paul can do to influence what the 76ers do with him.

Heck, when AD publically demanded a trade in January 2019, the Pelicans simply let the trade deadline come and go because they knew he was under contract another year and had no leverage. They waited until they got an offer they liked after the season.


If the reports were true, Magic Johnson was offering more to the Pelicans, before that trade deadline, than the Pelicans ended up getting for Davis eventually. I think we were offering BI/Lonzo/Kuz, picks, and taking back a bad contract or two. As much as they still got for Davis, he wasn't worth as much as an expiring contract, and of course we didn't end up taking back any bad money.


Winner winner chicken dinner.

Harden is going to force a trade with two years left on his deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:36 pm    Post subject:

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You guys must be forgetting how good John Wall was when he was healthy he was always killing the Lakers when we were playing the Wizards if he can get back some of his form watch out for the Rockets.


He's another low percentage chucker who hasn't been healthy in years and is now on the wrong side of 30 with this injury history...

Sept. 28, 2012 – Diagnosed with a non-traumatic stress injury in his left knee during pre-season. Missed the first 33 games of the season – Wizards were 5-28 during that stretch.

May 3, 2015 – Injures left wrist and hand in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semi-finals against the Atlanta Hawks. He had five non-displaced fractures in his left wrist/hand, missed three games in the series.

Dec. 6, 2015 – Banged his right knee in a game against the Dallas Mavericks. X-rays were negative, but Wall revealed that he was dealing with a bruise on the same knee prior to the injury. Did not miss any direct time.

Apr. 6, 2016 – Wall listed as questionable with a sore right knee. Missed two games before being shut down with the team out of post-season contention. In total, he missed five games.

May 5, 2016 – Undergoes a procedure on both of his knees. His left was to ‘excise calcific deposits’ to ease the pain and his right was to remove ‘loose bodies.’

Nov. 5, 2017 – Wall listed with right shoulder soreness, misses one game.

Nov. 16, 2017 –MRI after left knee discomfort. He received PRP (platelet-rich plasma) injections to reduce inflammation and missed nine games from Nov. 23 to Dec. 13.

Jan. 30, 2018 – Consulted with knee specialist and will have a procedure on his left knee to ‘cleanup’ the area and ease pain. Expected to miss six to eight weeks after already missing a game.

Dec. 29, 2018 - Wall sees specialist to deal with reoccurring pain in his left heel, decides to have surgery to fix his discomfort. It is expected that he will miss 6-8 months, ending his season. Before the announcement of the injury, Wall missed four games in a four-week span.

Feb. 5, 2019 - Wizards to announce that Wall will have surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon.

yeahhhhh, not worried about him at all. Best case scenario he reaches back to his scary career averages of 32% from 3 and 43% overall. Like Westbrook he can absolutely go off on any given night for sure but I have zero confidence he could do anything in the Playoffs for an entire series and this is mostly from the Wall before the majority of his injuries.

I still think the trade was a smart one for the Rockets as I can see him possibly having a better year then Russ (and obviously the 1st round pick) did last season but Harden isn't going anywhere with him.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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Houston has had a really strong off-season.

In:

3 first round picks
Christian Wood
John Wall
Boogie Cousins (really smart signing by their FO)

Out:
Covington
Westbrook

They got younger with Wood, some pick flexibility to now make trades and at the end of the day Wall/Westbrook will both suck playing next to Harden.


Its a good deal for wizards....wb and beal can take them ro playoffs...wall is useless now anyways...

Beal still probably wants out in the end, but peak Westbrook has been better than peak Wall and Wall may never be the same again while making the same money.

Shoot for a couple first round playoff appearances, hope one or two of their young guys takes a leap, and if not, they blow it up in 2022-23, anyway.



Exactly. Russ is a much much better player than Wall ever was or ever will be.

I'm not a huge Russ fan, but Wall has a toxic attitude. He thinks he's a superstar and is not about winning. At least Russ wants to win.

And the pick isn't that great. It's lotto-protected and then becomes less protected, but is never unprotected. Wiz are probably a playoff team in the East now.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:49 pm    Post subject:

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Harden sweepstake

Ainge: Kemba, Brown, Smart and 1sts

Kawhi: PG, Kennard, PatBev, Lou and future future 1sts

GS: Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre, 1sts

Nets: LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Harris, 1sts


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Russell Westbrook
Bradley Beal
Rui Hachimura
Davis Bertans
Thomas Bryant

That sounds like a team built for Russ, fam.


Yeah. He was killing it in January in Houston with similar spacing around him. They're a playoff team in the East if they stay healthy.
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You guys must be forgetting how good John Wall was when he was healthy he was always killing the Lakers when we were playing the Wizards if he can get back some of his form watch out for the Rockets.


He's another low percentage chucker who hasn't been healthy in years and is now on the wrong side of 30 with this injury history...

Sept. 28, 2012 – Diagnosed with a non-traumatic stress injury in his left knee during pre-season. Missed the first 33 games of the season – Wizards were 5-28 during that stretch.

May 3, 2015 – Injures left wrist and hand in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semi-finals against the Atlanta Hawks. He had five non-displaced fractures in his left wrist/hand, missed three games in the series.

Dec. 6, 2015 – Banged his right knee in a game against the Dallas Mavericks. X-rays were negative, but Wall revealed that he was dealing with a bruise on the same knee prior to the injury. Did not miss any direct time.

Apr. 6, 2016 – Wall listed as questionable with a sore right knee. Missed two games before being shut down with the team out of post-season contention. In total, he missed five games.

May 5, 2016 – Undergoes a procedure on both of his knees. His left was to ‘excise calcific deposits’ to ease the pain and his right was to remove ‘loose bodies.’

Nov. 5, 2017 – Wall listed with right shoulder soreness, misses one game.

Nov. 16, 2017 –MRI after left knee discomfort. He received PRP (platelet-rich plasma) injections to reduce inflammation and missed nine games from Nov. 23 to Dec. 13.

Jan. 30, 2018 – Consulted with knee specialist and will have a procedure on his left knee to ‘cleanup’ the area and ease pain. Expected to miss six to eight weeks after already missing a game.

Dec. 29, 2018 - Wall sees specialist to deal with reoccurring pain in his left heel, decides to have surgery to fix his discomfort. It is expected that he will miss 6-8 months, ending his season. Before the announcement of the injury, Wall missed four games in a four-week span.

Feb. 5, 2019 - Wizards to announce that Wall will have surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon.

yeahhhhh, not worried about him at all. Best case scenario he reaches back to his scary career averages of 32% from 3 and 43% overall. Like Westbrook he can absolutely go off on any given night for sure but I have zero confidence he could do anything in the Playoffs for an entire series and this is mostly from the Wall before the majority of his injuries.

I still think the trade was a smart one for the Rockets as I can see him possibly having a better year then Russ (and obviously the 1st round pick) did last season but Harden isn't going anywhere with him.


We’ll see, I’m more worried about the Rockets with John Wall then with Westbrook, all indications is that John Wall has looked good in his comeback attempt.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:54 pm    Post subject:

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Also, Sam Presti is the reason KD didn't win a chip with the Thunder.


BVH- you misspelled Clay Bennett.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:55 pm    Post subject:

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Question: what ended up happening with random Lakers folks like Dion Waiters and JR Smith?


Same thing that happened to Aunt Vivian... we don’t ask, and we don’t care.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:57 pm    Post subject:

babyskyhook wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
roger_federer wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Houston has had a really strong off-season.

In:

3 first round picks
Christian Wood
John Wall
Boogie Cousins (really smart signing by their FO)

Out:
Covington
Westbrook

They got younger with Wood, some pick flexibility to now make trades and at the end of the day Wall/Westbrook will both suck playing next to Harden.


Its a good deal for wizards....wb and beal can take them ro playoffs...wall is useless now anyways...

Beal still probably wants out in the end, but peak Westbrook has been better than peak Wall and Wall may never be the same again while making the same money.

Shoot for a couple first round playoff appearances, hope one or two of their young guys takes a leap, and if not, they blow it up in 2022-23, anyway.



Exactly. Russ is a much much better player than Wall ever was or ever will be.

I'm not a huge Russ fan, but Wall has a toxic attitude. He thinks he's a superstar and is not about winning. At least Russ wants to win.

And the pick isn't that great. It's lotto-protected and then becomes less protected, but is never unprotected. Wiz are probably a playoff team in the East now.

I'm a Russ fan because he's a Bruin, but looking at his healthy play clinically, he caps your ceiling while raising your team's floor significantly. There's value in that in the short term for a team like the Wizards.

Wall in Houston seems like a progressive downgrade after they were a CP3 injury away from the Finals, but maybe he matures into a Harden complement better than Westbrook did. Stranger things have happened.
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Also, Sam Presti is the reason KD didn't win a chip with the Thunder.


BVH- you misspelled Clay Bennett.
I respect his local penal reform efforts, but yeah, he's a serial drunk driver who helped steal a franchise from Seattle.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:08 pm    Post subject:

Houston Rockets all bark no bite.


    Caruso on Wall and Wall will likely tweak something trying to dribble drive by Alex.

    Wes on Harden causing flopping like never seen before if he ain't been dealt.

    Trez will wreck havock and fatigue the hell out of broke down Boogie.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject:

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The Wall trade makes perfect sense for Fertitta. If Wall can’t come back his contract is 80% covered by insurance.

Sadly, that has nothing to do with helping build a better basketball team.


This feels like the first step towards going into serious tank mode.

Their pick is 1-4 protected next year (with no rollover), and then they have their '22 and '23 picks.

With no fans in stands, they'd be smart to tank as hard as possible to try to keep the pick, shed salary down to the floor, and collect lux tax payments.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
babyskyhook wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
roger_federer wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Houston has had a really strong off-season.

In:

3 first round picks
Christian Wood
John Wall
Boogie Cousins (really smart signing by their FO)

Out:
Covington
Westbrook

They got younger with Wood, some pick flexibility to now make trades and at the end of the day Wall/Westbrook will both suck playing next to Harden.


Its a good deal for wizards....wb and beal can take them ro playoffs...wall is useless now anyways...

Beal still probably wants out in the end, but peak Westbrook has been better than peak Wall and Wall may never be the same again while making the same money.

Shoot for a couple first round playoff appearances, hope one or two of their young guys takes a leap, and if not, they blow it up in 2022-23, anyway.



Exactly. Russ is a much much better player than Wall ever was or ever will be.

I'm not a huge Russ fan, but Wall has a toxic attitude. He thinks he's a superstar and is not about winning. At least Russ wants to win.

And the pick isn't that great. It's lotto-protected and then becomes less protected, but is never unprotected. Wiz are probably a playoff team in the East now.

I'm a Russ fan because he's a Bruin, but looking at his healthy play clinically, he caps your ceiling while raising your team's floor significantly. There's value in that in the short term for a team like the Wizards.

Wall in Houston seems like a progressive downgrade after they were a CP3 injury away from the Finals, but maybe he matures into a Harden complement better than Westbrook did. Stranger things have happened.



Agreed about Russ raising their floor having real value to the Wiz. They need to make the playoffs to sell Beal on the idea they're making progress.

As to your second point.......that would be very, very, very strange indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:22 pm    Post subject:

hype wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
You guys must be forgetting how good John Wall was when he was healthy he was always killing the Lakers when we were playing the Wizards if he can get back some of his form watch out for the Rockets.


He's another low percentage chucker who hasn't been healthy in years and is now on the wrong side of 30 with this injury history...

Sept. 28, 2012 – Diagnosed with a non-traumatic stress injury in his left knee during pre-season. Missed the first 33 games of the season – Wizards were 5-28 during that stretch.

May 3, 2015 – Injures left wrist and hand in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semi-finals against the Atlanta Hawks. He had five non-displaced fractures in his left wrist/hand, missed three games in the series.

Dec. 6, 2015 – Banged his right knee in a game against the Dallas Mavericks. X-rays were negative, but Wall revealed that he was dealing with a bruise on the same knee prior to the injury. Did not miss any direct time.

Apr. 6, 2016 – Wall listed as questionable with a sore right knee. Missed two games before being shut down with the team out of post-season contention. In total, he missed five games.

May 5, 2016 – Undergoes a procedure on both of his knees. His left was to ‘excise calcific deposits’ to ease the pain and his right was to remove ‘loose bodies.’

Nov. 5, 2017 – Wall listed with right shoulder soreness, misses one game.

Nov. 16, 2017 –MRI after left knee discomfort. He received PRP (platelet-rich plasma) injections to reduce inflammation and missed nine games from Nov. 23 to Dec. 13.

Jan. 30, 2018 – Consulted with knee specialist and will have a procedure on his left knee to ‘cleanup’ the area and ease pain. Expected to miss six to eight weeks after already missing a game.

Dec. 29, 2018 - Wall sees specialist to deal with reoccurring pain in his left heel, decides to have surgery to fix his discomfort. It is expected that he will miss 6-8 months, ending his season. Before the announcement of the injury, Wall missed four games in a four-week span.

Feb. 5, 2019 - Wizards to announce that Wall will have surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon.

yeahhhhh, not worried about him at all. Best case scenario he reaches back to his scary career averages of 32% from 3 and 43% overall. Like Westbrook he can absolutely go off on any given night for sure but I have zero confidence he could do anything in the Playoffs for an entire series and this is mostly from the Wall before the majority of his injuries.

I still think the trade was a smart one for the Rockets as I can see him possibly having a better year then Russ (and obviously the 1st round pick) did last season but Harden isn't going anywhere with him.


It's not human nature to get paid insane money and still remain hungry...that's reserved for the all-time greats.

It is human nature to get paid insane guaranteed money and stop taking care of your body or use injury excuses to shut it down. Vin Baker, Chandler Parsons, Oliver Miller, Andrew Bynum...I'm sure we could list 20+ instances of this since 2000.

This is why Lakers pay top dollar for greatness and overpay them once their body gives out. Greatness is always welcome here.
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