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There's too much uncertainty surrounding LeBron's injury right now. If he's going to be out another two to three weeks and the team falls in the standings I expect the Lakers to be sellers at the deadline.
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Joe Pesci
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Orlando would trade Vucevic to Dallas for Dennis Smith Jr. (and Matthews) before they trade him to the Lakers for Hart, Zubac, Wagner, and a first.
If the Lakers want Vucevic, they'll have to include one of Ball or Ingram. It is what it is.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Orlando would trade Vucevic to Dallas for Dennis Smith Jr. (and Matthews) before they trade him to the Lakers for Hart, Zubac, Wagner, and a first.
If the Lakers want Vucevic, they'll have to include one of Ball or Ingram. It is what it is. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | The injury issues and fit with LBJ's personality are legitimate reasons to not want Kyrie... but we would be a contender immediately if we are talking skills alone.
He's a proven winner... unlike AD, who has yet to do so in any games of consequence. |
Well, Kyrie did have that LBJ guy, no?
Prior to LBJ, what was Kyrie winning?
Last season the Celts went deep into the playoffs without Kyrie who was injured. |
We've been discussing the ability to take over games.
This Kyrie has... like Lillard also.
We need one of these types on our team other than LBJ. |
My point is AD would be the same. Unlike Kyrie, he's at least made a few playoffs already but I do think he needs a true #1A to unlock him.
but AD would be very costly, depth-wise, and I don't think we have a good enough offer for him anyways.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Good news to move on to the next phase. Still sounds like two to three weeks to me.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Watching the Pelican-Clipper game last night, I can’t imagine AD wanting to play with a ball dominant player like Lebron. I think that a Holiday-style of player would be what he is looking for. Someone like Kyrie or maybe Leonard. |
Those guys all have high usage rates. |
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| 32 wrote: | | There's too much uncertainty surrounding LeBron's injury right now. If he's going to be out another two to three weeks and the team falls in the standings I expect the Lakers to be sellers at the deadline. |
I agree with your general line of thinking and expect Lebron to be ready to return next week.
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They expect to learn if he can travel or not.
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| Let’s all remember guys, when we don’t hear any talk of the Lakers making a deal that is usually when things are heating up behind the scenes... |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | The injury issues and fit with LBJ's personality are legitimate reasons to not want Kyrie... but we would be a contender immediately if we are talking skills alone.
He's a proven winner... unlike AD, who has yet to do so in any games of consequence. |
Well, Kyrie did have that LBJ guy, no?
Prior to LBJ, what was Kyrie winning?
Last season the Celts went deep into the playoffs without Kyrie who was injured. |
We've been discussing the ability to take over games.
This Kyrie has... like Lillard also.
We need one of these types on our team other than LBJ. |
My point is AD would be the same. Unlike Kyrie, he's at least made a few playoffs already but I do think he needs a true #1A to unlock him.
but AD would be very costly, depth-wise, and I don't think we have a good enough offer for him anyways. |
Well that's the point... that AD would be very costly depth-wise.
At the same price... you take AD.
But at a cheaper price... Kyrie becomes a more attractive target imo.
I think it's a given that you can get Kyrie for less. |
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Regardless, I think the Kyrie/LBJ train has passed by a long time ago. They won't play on the same team again, and trading for Kyrie is even more foolish.
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| Honestly, I think I would offer NO Ball, Ingram, Pope, Zubac, and 4 first round picks for Davis, Payton, and Clark. I know NO probably says no, but that is what I would at least throw at them... |
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| cital wrote: | | Honestly, I think I would offer NO Ball, Ingram, Pope, Zubac, and 4 first round picks for Davis, Payton, and Clark. I know NO probably says no, but that is what I would at least throw at them... |
That might actually make the Pelicans pause. 2 of those picks could end up being valuable for them. Best of all we would keep Kuzma as a #3 option.
I mean the Celtics picks that they own Grizzlies and Kings would be like 5-10 picks right now I think? Ultimately though they prob would just prefer to send him out East.
Though it's really just up to Davis at this point. Hopefully Lebron made convincing pitch to him when they went out to dinner. Pelicans ownership seem to want to treat him right and let him go if he wants. |
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Orlando is looking for a PG that why they will get DSJ
I don't see where Vucevic will play for Dallas? PF?
Lakers have no PGs to give to Orlando
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I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
You can when you have Lebron James on your roster with a very finite amount of time left.
If we stand pat, signing Lebron was a mistake. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
You can when you have Lebron James on your roster with a very finite amount of time left.
If we stand pat, signing Lebron was a mistake. |
If we miss out on a top FA in the summer + no trades = signing LBJ a mistake. |
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no body is talking about this : if we dont get AD, Kawhi, Durant, Klay this summer
what about looking at Randle? offer him the contract he wanted?
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | no body is talking about this : if we dont get AD, Kawhi, Durant, Klay this summer
what about looking at Randle? offer him the contract he wanted? |
and then sign dlo |
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| DMAULS wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
You can when you have Lebron James on your roster with a very finite amount of time left.
If we stand pat, signing Lebron was a mistake. |
If we miss out on a top FA in the summer + no trades = signing LBJ a mistake. |
Haha thats what I said mang! |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
You can when you have Lebron James on your roster with a very finite amount of time left.
If we stand pat, signing Lebron was a mistake. |
there are literally no possible moves this Feb Lakers can make to be title contender this year
AD is not being traded this Feb
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
You can when you have Lebron James on your roster with a very finite amount of time left.
If we stand pat, signing Lebron was a mistake. |
there are literally no possible moves this Feb Lakers can make to be title contender this year
AD is not being traded this Feb |
What does Feb have to do with the offseason? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | I expect us to stand pat this trade season
you cant give up on BI, Hart, Zo, Ingram that fast
Magic and Pelinka already probably regretting on giving up on Randle and Deangelo so quickly and not even getting much for them in return.
The other way to look at the young core poor play is coaching
Russell is thriving under a diff coach
same with Randle in some sense
I think the best move this off-season is new coaching, + another shooter then reassess the team in Dec |
Trading DLO for getting rid of MozGov contract and letting Randle walk is a remains to be seen kind of move. If we sign like Durant Kawhi or even Klay then great! You do that deal all day every day.
Same with other pieces of our young core... if the right move comes available that clearly makes us a better team to win now you do it.
We have a top 3 GOAT on our team... no way should we waste these last few years of his prime not going all out for championships.
And its not like any of our young core are franchise players in the making. |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Orlando would trade Vucevic to Dallas for Dennis Smith Jr. (and Matthews) before they trade him to the Lakers for Hart, Zubac, Wagner, and a first.
If the Lakers want Vucevic, they'll have to include one of Ball or Ingram. It is what it is. |
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1. Even those that wanted to trade BI wouldn't do that trade.
2. Is DSJ + Wes better than Hart, Zubac, Wagner and a 1st? (Not that I would do #2 either) |
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