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CantStopJM
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| epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Would you guys trade Hart and a first for TJ? He’s been wet from 3 all season. |
A first for a potential one year rental?
Only if we can get a 1st or early 2nd for KCP |
Warren is signed until 2022.... |
My bad. Spotrac isn't updated.
How much does he make this and next year? |
he’ll make 11-12 mill a year until it expires. He’s shooting 44% from 3 on 4.5 attempts and he’s a solid defender. |
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Would you guys trade Hart and a first for TJ? He’s been wet from 3 all season. |
A first for a potential one year rental?
Only if we can get a 1st or early 2nd for KCP |
Warren is signed until 2022.... |
My bad. Spotrac isn't updated.
How much does he make this and next year? |
he’ll make 11-12 mill a year until it expires. He’s shooting 44% from 3 on 4.5 attempts and he’s a solid defender. |
He'd be great. 44% on c&s 3s. 46% on wide open 3s.
Not a fan of the summer FA idea? Or looking to trade one of BI/Zo? |
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CantStopJM
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Would you guys trade Hart and a first for TJ? He’s been wet from 3 all season. |
A first for a potential one year rental?
Only if we can get a 1st or early 2nd for KCP |
Warren is signed until 2022.... |
My bad. Spotrac isn't updated.
How much does he make this and next year? |
he’ll make 11-12 mill a year until it expires. He’s shooting 44% from 3 on 4.5 attempts and he’s a solid defender. |
He'd be great. 44% on c&s 3s. 46% on wide open 3s.
Not a fan of the summer FA idea? Or looking to trade one of BI/Zo? |
I don’t think there’s a realistic chance we land any of the top free agents. Kawhi is playing out of his mind right now, no way will he willingly want to be a #2 to Bron when he can be a #1 for the Clippers. KD has pretty much said thru context clues that we’re not a destination for him and Klay is re-signing in GS. The hints are there, I think it’s time to stop looking for a home run, it shouldn’t be max player or bust and then redo 1 year contracts all
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | epak wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Would you guys trade Hart and a first for TJ? He’s been wet from 3 all season. |
A first for a potential one year rental?
Only if we can get a 1st or early 2nd for KCP |
Warren is signed until 2022.... |
My bad. Spotrac isn't updated.
How much does he make this and next year? |
he’ll make 11-12 mill a year until it expires. He’s shooting 44% from 3 on 4.5 attempts and he’s a solid defender. |
He'd be great. 44% on c&s 3s. 46% on wide open 3s.
Not a fan of the summer FA idea? Or looking to trade one of BI/Zo? |
I don’t think there’s a realistic chance we land any of the top free agents. Kawhi is playing out of his mind right now, no way will he willingly want to be a #2 to Bron when he can be a #1 for the Clippers. KD has pretty much said thru context clues that we’re not a destination for him and Klay is re-signing in GS. The hints are there, I think it’s time to stop looking for a home run, it shouldn’t be max player or bust and then redo 1 year contracts all
Over again. |
Understandable.
We did finally hit on free agency last year though.
It is tempting. |
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Fortysixn2
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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The plan is to sign AD outright as a free agent a year and a half from now then trade most of our young core for a 3rd star and make a championship run. The strategy is pretty transparent.
I guess we are just observing the young guys and seeing who fits, who has the best work ethic and who progresses.
I think in the end we are going to keep Lonzo and eject BI/Hart/Kuz for a shooter like Beal. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | The plan is to sign AD outright as a free agent a year and a half from now then trade most of our young core for a 3rd star and make a championship run. The strategy is pretty transparent.
I guess we are just observing the young guys and seeing who fits, who has the best work ethic and who progresses.
I think in the end we are going to keep Lonzo and eject BI/Hart/Kuz for a shooter like Beal. |
And waste two years of LeBron's prime? Nah.
The plan, IMO, is very apparent: develop kids this year and up their trade value. Make a playoff run. Sign one of Kawhi, KD, Klay, Kemba, Kyrie, Butler, and then trade young pieces for AD. |
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fansincemagic
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | Fortysixn2 wrote: | The plan is to sign AD outright as a free agent a year and a half from now then trade most of our young core for a 3rd star and make a championship run. The strategy is pretty transparent.
I guess we are just observing the young guys and seeing who fits, who has the best work ethic and who progresses.
I think in the end we are going to keep Lonzo and eject BI/Hart/Kuz for a shooter like Beal. |
And waste two years of LeBron's prime? Nah.
The plan, IMO, is very apparent: develop kids this year and up their trade value. Make a playoff run. Sign one of Kawhi, KD, Klay, Kemba, Kyrie, Butler, and then trade young pieces for AD. |
If the 2020 cap is the projected 118M, it wouldn't be out of the question to sign a max each year. Depends on what they do with BI and Ball. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
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saetarubia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
John Wall?  His value right now could be that of a salary dump. And no, I don't want him here.
LeBron is like 96 MJ though. At least has couple of years left at the top, I feel.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
John Wall? His value right now could be that of a salary dump. And no, I don't want him here.
LeBron is like 96 MJ though. At least has couple of years left at the top, I feel. |
John wall is too young. Think older, around 34/35 |
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saetarubia
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
John Wall? His value right now could be that of a salary dump. And no, I don't want him here.
LeBron is like 96 MJ though. At least has couple of years left at the top, I feel. |
John wall is too young. Think older, around 34/35 |
Magic is a big CP3 fan.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
John Wall? His value right now could be that of a salary dump. And no, I don't want him here.
LeBron is like 96 MJ though. At least has couple of years left at the top, I feel. |
John wall is too young. Think older, around 34/35 |
Magic is a big CP3 fan. |
Now we talking |
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Jesusdelonla
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| On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Lakers are nba's retirement house:
Malone
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
What free agent needs an end of career paycheck this summer? |
John Wall? His value right now could be that of a salary dump. And no, I don't want him here.
LeBron is like 96 MJ though. At least has couple of years left at the top, I feel. |
I hope so. MJ played all 82 games each season between 1996 and 98, averaging 38 mpg! Damn, I went to look this up and I'm surprised.
He aged between 32 and 34 during that stretch, before retiring for the next 3 seasons. LeBron just turned 34 and is coming off a similar stretch the past few years. I wouldn't be surprised if this is, indeed, the decline 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Lebron has been in decline for the past 2-3 seasons, defense is always the first to go.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
You are on point once again.  |
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| No player will ever be tougher than KB (not being a homer). The guy would play through anything. Unfortunately father time caught up with him (just like everyone else). All those minutes were a killer. Things can change overnight for players and LJ is no exception. Hopefully Luke keeps LJ minutes down as much as possible. Win the war, not the battle! |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
You are on point once again. |
And Kobe is 6'5, and we had to downgrade him to the SF spot as he lost his quickness.
LBJ is 6'8, 260 and can eventually downgrade full time to PF. Having size I think will help as he ages. Tougher for smaller guys to continue imposing themselves physically as they age.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
You are on point once again. |
And Kobe is 6'5, and we had to downgrade him to the SF spot as he lost his quickness.
LBJ is 6'8, 260 and can eventually downgrade full time to PF. Having size I think will help as he ages. Tougher for smaller guys to continue imposing themselves physically as they age. |
Magic as PF was fun, but sad too. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Earlier this season. People wanted to trade KCP too.
I"m gonna say the same thing I said then. We aren't in the position to trade away one of our few 3PT shooters.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
we will see. but this is what i think might happen.
If I am Kawhi or KD why am i coming to play here to be a second fiddle to an old guy? while also getting the blame when the team doesnt perform? |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
we will see. but this is what i think might happen.
If I am Kawhi or KD why am i coming to play here to be a second fiddle to an old guy? while also getting the blame when the team doesnt perform? |
Yeah. That's a major consideration. Father time is undefeated for sure. But at some point, I do think LBJ will turn over the team to a star that is better than him. His body won't be able to sustain the lead scoring part.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | On a serious note, this is going to be another old Kobe part 2 |
Groin injuries happen to anyone. We haven't seen a wear/tear issue yet.
I think the difference though with Kobe post Achilles is that he continued trying to be pre Achilles Kobe and force scoring. LBJ, if we get a 2nd max FA, I think will be more willing to be a facilitator more than a lead scorer. Right now he's scoring b/c the team absolutely needs it. Look at the putrid scoring averages in the past 11 games. |
Agreed. In fact, I'd argue that he's been trying to do that this season. Not so much because he's old, but, he knows he needs the young guys to step up and handle more responsibility.
That we haven't had great success doing that ... it's hard to pinpoint on whether that is strictly on Lebron and his style, the young guys for not moving off the ball, or on Luke and staff for not incorporating schemes to allow for that. Probably some combination of the 3. |
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It's ironic that some were berating LBJ for "not going 100%" all the time on the court. You just can't do that at his age/mileage. Have to pick and choose. Plus, he doesn't have a reliable #2 guy right now so it's dicey whenever he's off, and he's really our only consistent scoring option.
This is a completely unbaked cake that some want to eat right now.
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