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The Lebrons
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Boogie is garbage. I hope to God we dont go after him. |
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Joe Pesci
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
You know there is no way Magic does that. |
I know.
Ironically, I'm fine with trading the entire roster for Davis (although it won't actually happen), but I'm not down to spend ALL the money on Butler, a guy who is not what this team needs and further mucks up team chemistry.
I cannot understand how people complain about Magic's ability to properly construct a team yet are happy with the idea of signing Butler.
How can people criticize Magic for only focusing on "stars", then proceed to only focus on "stars" in their prognostications?
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If we were to sign Boogie for 20-25m, what moves should we make to counter Boogie’s weaknesses (defense)?
Drafting Brandon Clarke and hiring a good D coach would be a start
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| iimarshon wrote: | If we were to sign Boogie for 20-25m, what moves should we make to counter Boogie’s weaknesses (defense)?
Drafting Brandon Clarke and hiring a good D coach would be a start |
Kuzma and cousins as ur pf/center combo will take us straight back to lottery |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | If we were to sign Boogie for 20-25m, what moves should we make to counter Boogie’s weaknesses (defense)?
Drafting Brandon Clarke and hiring a good D coach would be a start |
Kuzma and cousins as ur pf/center combo will take us straight back to lottery |
The team might actually get demoted to the G-League. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | If we were to sign Boogie for 20-25m, what moves should we make to counter Boogie’s weaknesses (defense)?
Drafting Brandon Clarke and hiring a good D coach would be a start |
Kuzma and cousins as ur pf/center combo will take us straight back to lottery |
The team might actually get demoted to the G-League. |
Imagine cousins/kuzma/LeBron playing defense
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jg77
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
This team is trash. |
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jg77 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
This team is trash. |
All that glitters ain't gold my friend. Seems to me you're caught up in sexiness instead of focusing in collective skillsets.
The Lakers need a knockdown shooter (Reddick), a 3&D center (Dedmon), a hybrid defensive forward who can shoot (Mbah a Moute), and a 3&D reserve wing (Bullock).
However unsexy it may be compared to signing a gut like Jimmy Butler, the above team checks all the boxes.
Do you have any rational and realistic solutions to offer?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Boogie is garbage. I hope to God we dont go after him. |
you know it's gonna happen |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | jg77 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
This team is trash. |
All that glitters ain't gold my friend. Seems to me you're caught up in sexiness instead of focusing in collective skillsets.
The Lakers need a knockdown shooter (Reddick), a 3&D center (Dedmon), a hybrid defensive forward who can shoot (Mbah a Moute), and a 3&D reserve wing (Bullock).
However unsexy it may be compared to signing a gut like Jimmy Butler, the above team checks all the boxes.
Do you have any rational and realistic solutions to offer? |
A 35 year shooter who can't defend
A hybrid defensive forward who can't shoot
3&d reserve who can't shoot nor play defense
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Joe Pesci
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Dedmon is better than Vucevic as a defender and an equally good shooter.
Mbah a Moute is as good of a defender as Beverly, less of a shooter, but provides more of a need for defense in the front court.
Reddick, like Bogdanovic, is a pure shooter who doesn't do much else. I'd be happy with either, though, admittedly, Bogdanovic is the better player.
All the players I recommended fit an archetype based on team needs. You could easily replace Dedmon with Vucevic or Lopez or Randle, replace Reddick with Bogdanovic or Eric Gordon, and replace Mbah a Moute with Ariza or Aaron Gordon.
It will work with all of those players, IMO. Beverly is a good player, but this team needs the forward version of him.
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dcarter4kobe
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It's possible to max a guy (Kemba, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie, Jimmy), sign Dedmon/Noel/Lopez with the remaining 4-5M cap space and a back up PG with room exception (Lin, Rose, Curry,Beverly, McConnell etc).
That would leave us with a nice team
Noel/Wagner/Williams
LeBron/Kuzma
Ingram
Max guy/Hart
Ball/Room exception
+plus top 10 pick.
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Joe Pesci
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | It's possible to max a guy (Kemba, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie, Jimmy), sign Dedmon/Noel/Lopez with the remaining 4-5M cap space and a back up PG with room exception (Lin, Rose, Curry,Beverly, McConnell etc).
That would leave us with a nice team
Noel/Wagner/Williams
LeBron/Kuzma
Ingram
Max guy/Hart
Ball/Room exception
+plus top 10 pick. |
You're missing shooting and a defensive combo forward.
Without those two elements, this team is incomplete.
They need a defensive combo forward to offset James and Kuzma, and they need a knockdown shooter for obvious reasons.
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dcarter4kobe
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Dedmon or Lopez (probably has earned a nice raise) would provide shooting from the 5. Seth Curry would be a nice addition and knock down 3 ball shooter at the back up PG spot. Also would still have top 10 pick to plug a hole.
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Jesusdelonla
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| Prefer Alex Len. Wanted him last summer as well |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Prefer Alex Len. Wanted him last summer as well |
Could also add him to the list of Noel, Dedmon, Lopez. Would be interesting to look at all of their advanced stats.
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Joe Pesci
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Dedmon is the more versatile defender between Len, Lopez, and Vucevic.
Also, with regard to Curry, it's important that whatever pure shooter they sign that player is more often than not slotted in the final five. The pure shooter should, ideally, have a place in the lineup at the end of games. That's why I prefer the pure shooter to be good enough to be one of the team's five best players -- Curry ain't that.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
You know there is no way Magic does that. |
I know.
Ironically, I'm fine with trading the entire roster for Davis (although it won't actually happen), but I'm not down to spend ALL the money on Butler, a guy who is not what this team needs and further mucks up team chemistry.
I cannot understand how people complain about Magic's ability to properly construct a team yet are happy with the idea of signing Butler.
How can people criticize Magic for only focusing on "stars", then proceed to only focus on "stars" in their prognostications? |
It's not "happy." It's more predictive. My prediction is it'll be between Kemba, Jimmy, Boogie. Of the 3, I'd be "happier" with Kemba/Jimmy.
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| iimarshon wrote: | If we were to sign Boogie for 20-25m, what moves should we make to counter Boogie’s weaknesses (defense)?
Drafting Brandon Clarke and hiring a good D coach would be a start |
Boogie and LBJ on defense = we're cooked.
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I want Dedmon too. And I don't think he'll be as expensive as some are making out, otherwise he wouldn't have taken his 6m player option this summer and tested FA. I think he can be had closer to the room exception range.
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| tox wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | Boogie is garbage. I hope to God we dont go after him. |
you know it's gonna happen |
I think we'll be left with that tier level of All-Stars (Boogie, Jimmy B, Kemba...) but would absolutely rather sign Butler or Kemba over Boogie, unless he agrees to a 1-year deal. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I want Dedmon too. And I don't think he'll be as expensive as some are making out, otherwise he wouldn't have taken his 6m player option this summer and tested FA. I think he can be had closer to the room exception range. |
I like Dedmon, he's got a nice game for a modern and strong big.
But I also have him on my fantasy team and he usually misses a few games due to knee issues and load management. Sometimes he has minutes restrictions too.
This season he's played 57 out of 69 games. His game totals the past 4 seasons have been 59, 58, 76 and 62. He turns 30 before next season.
We should really go after guys like him, I just feel that today many of the serviceable bigs in the league are often missing games. Maybe it's the pace of the game or whatever, but we need to take that into account and look to have a big rotation of C/PFs. I'd go after at least 2 Dedmon-like guys + Wagner + Johnathan Williams to be safe.
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| AirKobe8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I want Dedmon too. And I don't think he'll be as expensive as some are making out, otherwise he wouldn't have taken his 6m player option this summer and tested FA. I think he can be had closer to the room exception range. |
I like Dedmon, he's got a nice game for a modern and strong big.
But I also have him on my fantasy team and he usually misses a few games due to knee issues and load management. Sometimes he has minutes restrictions too.
This season he's played 57 out of 69 games. His game totals the past 4 seasons have been 59, 58, 76 and 62. He turns 30 before next season.
We should really go after guys like him, I just feel that today many of the serviceable bigs in the league are often missing games. Maybe it's the pace of the game or whatever, but we need to take that into account and look to have a big rotation of C/PFs. I'd go after at least 2 Dedmon-like guys + Wagner + Johnathan Williams to be safe. |
Right. Which is why I don't think he's getting huge offers. I think he opted into his 6m player option b/c the market was tepid for him.
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | Give me Dedmon and Reddick (plus Mbah a Moute and Bullock) over giving ALL the "shopping money" to just Butler:
PG - James - Ball
SG - Reddick - Bullock
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Ingram - (James/Bullock) |
You know there is no way Magic does that. |
I know.
Ironically, I'm fine with trading the entire roster for Davis (although it won't actually happen), but I'm not down to spend ALL the money on Butler, a guy who is not what this team needs and further mucks up team chemistry.
I cannot understand how people complain about Magic's ability to properly construct a team yet are happy with the idea of signing Butler.
How can people criticize Magic for only focusing on "stars", then proceed to only focus on "stars" in their prognostications? |
It's not "happy." It's more predictive. My prediction is it'll be between Kemba, Jimmy, Boogie. Of the 3, I'd be "happier" with Kemba/Jimmy. |
If I'm making a prediction, I say that, but if not, I'm always speaking from blank slate, coming from a perspective of "what would I do" giving consideration to reasonable variables.
In this situation, Magic & Co. should be focused on making the best team possible regardless of the name recognition of the players on the team.
With nearly 40 million of shopping money, the Lakers need to spend wisely, FILLING HOLES:
-- pure shooting wing
-- 3&D center
-- defensive combo forward
Butler, Cousins, and Walker don't really fill any real need.
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