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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | No one debates that AD is a good player... some debate whether he's worth the price of a Kareem.
I personally don't think so, based on his record so far.
I'll be happy to sign him in 2020 or for a cut rate price if that somehow comes available. |
I think the biggest difference is people view of the young players value, not ADs. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | No one debates that AD is a good player... some debate whether he's worth the price of a Kareem.
I personally don't think so, based on his record so far.
I'll be happy to sign him in 2020 or for a cut rate price if that somehow comes available. |
I think the biggest difference is people view of the young players value, not ADs. |
I wonder if people would have traded the Ultimate Warrior for the Rockers. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The Pelicans' newly hired top basketball executive said that coach Alvin Gentry will be retained and that he won't rule out the possibility of talking six-time All-Star Anthony Davis into rescinding his trade request and committing to New Orleans long term. "We have a very long and successful history together with Klutch Sports," Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said Wednesday, referring to the agency, led by Rich Paul, that represents Davis. "Rich Paul and I have spoken about Anthony, and I think we're both excited about what we can potentially build here." |
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nzahir Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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So still nobody has named 10 guys better than AD. He is forsure top 10. He is a second option |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | No one debates that AD is a good player... some debate whether he's worth the price of a Kareem.
I personally don't think so, based on his record so far.
I'll be happy to sign him in 2020 or for a cut rate price if that somehow comes available. |
I think the biggest difference is people view of the young players value, not ADs. |
I wonder if people would have traded the Ultimate Warrior for the Rockers. |
The Rockers were just knockoffs of the The Rock 'n' Roll Express |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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nzahir wrote: | So still nobody has named 10 guys better than AD. He is forsure top 10. He is a second option |
You're just going by all-NBA teams to determine whether a player is a primary, secondary, or tertiary option?
Davis provides more value as a defender and dependent finisher because most of his creation value derives from post isos or midrange pull-up jumpers. I was awed by Kobe as much as the next guy, but running a bunch of precious possessions on mid-post turnaround jumpers - even coming from someone as talented at them as AD - has less utility than Kemba Walker running a high PnR these days. So AD can be considered a secondary or a tertiary option or whatever, but he's most efficient as a dependent player (as are most players) and will only go as far as his team's best initiator(s) carries him.
If a big man isn't initiating my offense - legit running PnRs like Giannis or orchestrating from the top of the arc like Jokic - giving that dude a max is going to hinder my ability to put together a GSW challenger/successor and take away possessions that would be better served running a PnR with a competent initiator. So if AD starts flexing his PG skills and running an offense next season, then he'll be a primary or secondary option on a legit GSW contendor/successor.
None of that means the Lakers shouldn't trade for him. It means they should trade for him only after signing a legit second creator. _________________ Under New Management |
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The Bulls might consider revisiting trade talks with the Lakers centered around Lonzo Ball, talks that were once held when Zo’s camp said Chicago would be a preferred destination if the Lakers traded him, per @Suntimes.
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https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1118719022575448065?s=21 |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I know y'all didn't like a swap for Kris Dunn and picks, but Dunn is a bit untapped potential that would be a nice player in the LeBron offense. IF they do trade him to Chicago, would be nice to see him in the return. _________________ Darvin |
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spankykingston Rookie
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dream Lineup:
Trade LeBron to NY for #1 Pick and a Sign and trade Deandre Jordan
Take Zion with #1 pick
Take Nassir Little with #11
Sign Kawai L and Danny Green
Bring back Rondo, McGee, Lance, Alex C, Chandler
Line up:
Zo/AC/Rondo
Danny Green/Hart/Bonga
KL/Ingram/Little
Kuz/Zion/Mo
Jordan/McGee/Chandler |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Who would we want in return? WCJ or Dunn? |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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hydrohead wrote: |
I know y'all didn't like a swap for Kris Dunn and picks, but Dunn is a bit untapped potential that would be a nice player in the LeBron offense. IF they do trade him to Chicago, would be nice to see him in the return. |
Why has he only played 52 and 46 games over the last couple seasons? |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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spankykingston wrote: | Dream Lineup:
Trade LeBron to NY for #1 Pick and a Sign and trade Deandre Jordan
Take Zion with #1 pick
Take Nassir Little with #11
Sign Kawai L and Danny Green
Bring back Rondo, McGee, Lance, Alex C, Chandler
Line up:
Zo/AC/Rondo
Danny Green/Hart/Bonga
KL/Ingram/Little
Kuz/Zion/Mo
Jordan/McGee/Chandler |
S&T trade DJ |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: |
Who would we want in return? WCJ or Dunn? |
Both and send WCJ to NOLA with Ingram and the #11 for AD. _________________ Darvin |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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hydrohead wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
Who would we want in return? WCJ or Dunn? |
Both and send WCJ to NOLA with Ingram and the #11 for AD. |
Good idea |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | hydrohead wrote: |
I know y'all didn't like a swap for Kris Dunn and picks, but Dunn is a bit untapped potential that would be a nice player in the LeBron offense. IF they do trade him to Chicago, would be nice to see him in the return. |
Why has he only played 52 and 46 games over the last couple seasons? |
ACL Strain, Back _________________ Darvin |
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a2j1m Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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hydrohead wrote: |
I know y'all didn't like a swap for Kris Dunn and picks, but Dunn is a bit untapped potential that would be a nice player in the LeBron offense. IF they do trade him to Chicago, would be nice to see him in the return. |
id want Morant |
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noahp45 Star Player
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h2omike Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don’t see Davis as a priority now. First option is a top tier free agent. If the Pelicans trade, I don’t think it is until the trade deadline. If we want Dabis next year, we need the cap space next year. |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Watching Boston I could see them getting AD. They will add Tatum he looks average right now. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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While I think KD is leaving, this just seems like a pointless interview and they're over it. |
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€H£M£$TR¥ Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | epak wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | No one debates that AD is a good player... some debate whether he's worth the price of a Kareem.
I personally don't think so, based on his record so far.
I'll be happy to sign him in 2020 or for a cut rate price if that somehow comes available. |
I think the biggest difference is people view of the young players value, not ADs. |
I wonder if people would have traded the Ultimate Warrior for the Rockers. |
The Rockers were just knockoffs of the The Rock 'n' Roll Express |
Blue Blazer and Texas Tornado were the best in the biz... and yes, I would have traded Bron for em. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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noahp45 wrote: | Watching Boston I could see them getting AD. They will add Tatum he looks average right now. | how was he average today? _________________ Previously LBJ23 |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ23 wrote: | noahp45 wrote: | Watching Boston I could see them getting AD. They will add Tatum he looks average right now. | how was he average today? |
Last year he was taking dudes off the dribble. Playing lock down defense. This year he has been silent. Dumb mistakes missing easy layups, you can look at the box score and say "hey he had solid numbers". But that doesn't tell you how he played
Got to watch the game. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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€H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | adkindo wrote: | epak wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | No one debates that AD is a good player... some debate whether he's worth the price of a Kareem.
I personally don't think so, based on his record so far.
I'll be happy to sign him in 2020 or for a cut rate price if that somehow comes available. |
I think the biggest difference is people view of the young players value, not ADs. |
I wonder if people would have traded the Ultimate Warrior for the Rockers. |
The Rockers were just knockoffs of the The Rock 'n' Roll Express |
Blue Blazer and Texas Tornado were the best in the biz... and yes, I would have traded Bron for em. |
At the time the Ultimate Warrior was a hot item. Maybe the hottest when he beat Hogan at Wrestlemania 6 and unified the IC and Heavyweight titles.
The Rockers were a nice tag team but nothing major (as tag teams weren't as big of a draw as singles). But when Shawn Michaels turned on Marty Jannetty and became a singles wrestler, he became the Heartbreak Kid aka Mr. Wrestlemania. Arguably a bigger draw than Warrior ever was. And definitely a better wrestler.
Moral of the story: Lonzo needs to throw BI through a fake barbershop window. |
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l4kerz Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:05 am Post subject: |
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noahp45 wrote: | Watching Boston I could see them getting AD. They will add Tatum he looks average right now. |
If Tatum looks average, why would NO want him? |
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