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CamReddish
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| GameCock-MD wrote: | I'm not in favor of any plan that doesn't start with a top tier Free Agent. All of these "moneyball" signings sound good on paper but they are what you do when you can't get the best.
I'd rather start with 2 Max Level Players and fill the rest of the roster with players who complement them, not try to build a patchwork roster around LeBron or Ingram. Doesn't make sense.
And anytime LeBron is on the floor with Ingram, it's LeBron or Ingram...Ingram has not shown he can play with or off an elite player...nor has he shown he can lead a team to victories as the #1.
You guys are building an entire roster around a foundation that is flawed. |
These ideas and rosters are of we strike out on the max player. We have a very good chance to strike out
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Who is going to convince Lebron to guard PFs? |
exactly why i cant see Ingram staying if we get a Butler, Leonard, Klay. Lebron wont play PF and Ingram is gunna wanna start. So unless Ingram or Leonard play down low then i see Ingram on the move for a PF. Ingram for Maurkeen would be a pretty solid trade both sides altho Bulls have Porter thats a kinda guy id want |
What if we sign Tobias Harris? |
i wouldnt mind Harris but im sure hes staying in Philly, no way philly lets butler and harris walk. what was the point of trading for him ? |
I wouldn't mind Tobias either but holy hell would that be a letdown. |
I'll overpay Tobias over Butler, Kemba, Middleton |
Just wait and see if Kuz's shooting bounces back. |
I think it has |
regardless of kuz, I would still giveHarris the max if we have the opportunity. Stretch 4s are obviously extremely valuable. He probably stays in Phili though. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Who is going to convince Lebron to guard PFs? |
exactly why i cant see Ingram staying if we get a Butler, Leonard, Klay. Lebron wont play PF and Ingram is gunna wanna start. So unless Ingram or Leonard play down low then i see Ingram on the move for a PF. Ingram for Maurkeen would be a pretty solid trade both sides altho Bulls have Porter thats a kinda guy id want |
What if we sign Tobias Harris? |
i wouldnt mind Harris but im sure hes staying in Philly, no way philly lets butler and harris walk. what was the point of trading for him ? |
I wouldn't mind Tobias either but holy hell would that be a letdown. |
I'll overpay Tobias over Butler, Kemba, Middleton |
Just wait and see if Kuz's shooting bounces back. |
bounces back to league average 35% from 25% post all-star break?
i made a joke about some members still living on the summer league title. a guy said, “show me”. here. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, no one argues against signing KD or Kawhi... maybe some have various reservations about Kyrie, Klay or Kemba... then more have reservations about Jimmy or Tobias... the majority have fears about Boogie.
I'm happy signing any of these guys in the top five tier. I fear signing Jimmy and Tobias somewhat because of tying up salary long term and having the John Wall effect... If Jimmy were younger than I wouldn't worry as much.
We all get the basic principle behind signing a top player... we also get the sacrifices already made for the cap space...
But do you double down on an error if you already made it?
You don't have to sign a lower tier "elite" agent just because you cleared the space.
PG didn't come... KD and Kawhi might not...
The plan was good in principle, but for whatever reason, maybe we can't close it.
Does this mean we sign a John Wall like vet... just to prove we didn't make a mistake in the first place?
Does this mean we trade half our team for AD so we can say the cap space trades weren't a waste?
No one debates AD is a great player... some like myself only quibble about paying a Kareem like price for a player who historically hasn't had his impact on winning.
That is why these moneyball solutions are appealing... not because they are plan A... but because they are plan Bs that are superior than a knee jerk mindset that because we traded DLO, Clarkson, Nance... let Randle walk... that we must at all costs sign a "top" agent.
The only thing dumber than getting rid all those assets... is doubling down and signing a John Wall type just so we can say it wasn't a waste to do so. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| kobe_4_mvp wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | a2j1m wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Who is going to convince Lebron to guard PFs? |
exactly why i cant see Ingram staying if we get a Butler, Leonard, Klay. Lebron wont play PF and Ingram is gunna wanna start. So unless Ingram or Leonard play down low then i see Ingram on the move for a PF. Ingram for Maurkeen would be a pretty solid trade both sides altho Bulls have Porter thats a kinda guy id want |
What if we sign Tobias Harris? |
i wouldnt mind Harris but im sure hes staying in Philly, no way philly lets butler and harris walk. what was the point of trading for him ? |
I wouldn't mind Tobias either but holy hell would that be a letdown. |
I'll overpay Tobias over Butler, Kemba, Middleton |
Just wait and see if Kuz's shooting bounces back. |
bounces back to league average 35% from 25% post all-star break?
i made a joke about some members still living on the summer league title. a guy said, “show me”. here. |
Here: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrito02.html
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| LBJ23 wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | I'm not in favor of any plan that doesn't start with a top tier Free Agent. All of these "moneyball" signings sound good on paper but they are what you do when you can't get the best.
I'd rather start with 2 Max Level Players and fill the rest of the roster with players who complement them, not try to build a patchwork roster around LeBron or Ingram. Doesn't make sense.
And anytime LeBron is on the floor with Ingram, it's LeBron or Ingram...Ingram has not shown he can play with or off an elite player...nor has he shown he can lead a team to victories as the #1.
You guys are building an entire roster around a foundation that is flawed. |
These ideas and rosters are of we strike out on the max player. We have a very good chance to strike out |
Even though I think some of these ideas are a little harebrained, I'd take them over another year of punting. I'd rather move forward with Kemba Freaking Walker and Allen Freaking Crabbe than spend another year dreaming of Anthony Davis while Lebron gets older. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | I'm not in favor of any plan that doesn't start with a top tier Free Agent. All of these "moneyball" signings sound good on paper but they are what you do when you can't get the best.
I'd rather start with 2 Max Level Players and fill the rest of the roster with players who complement them, not try to build a patchwork roster around LeBron or Ingram. Doesn't make sense.
And anytime LeBron is on the floor with Ingram, it's LeBron or Ingram...Ingram has not shown he can play with or off an elite player...nor has he shown he can lead a team to victories as the #1.
You guys are building an entire roster around a foundation that is flawed. |
These ideas and rosters are of we strike out on the max player. We have a very good chance to strike out |
Even though I think some of these ideas are a little harebrained, I'd take them over another year of punting. I'd rather move forward with Kemba Freaking Walker and Allen Freaking Crabbe than spend another year dreaming of Anthony Davis while Lebron gets older. |
Same here
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Ayy if the Nets want to salary dump DLO to the Lakers...the irony. |
DLo and the Nets are interesting....regardless of the Lakers, just how they view Russell and Dinwiddie. Do the Nets really want to tie up $35 Million in Russell and Dinwiddie......do they think Dinwiddie can give them adequate play at PG, and use the $25 Million somewhere else? Have they made any strong comments? |
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Jesusdelonla
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as long as they dont give
12m to KCP
9m to Rondo
4m to Beasy
3.*m to Lance
I am all good. Go get players with upside and are still vets over washed up vets |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: |
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What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
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| adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
lol. they’re lowballing the Lakers.
Lebron will get Zion. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
I'd take a few of those actually. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Deandre Ayton and Suns 1st round pick this year for Lebron |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
I'd take a few of those actually. |
The Heat and Nets deal...I would think about it if we were able to get another superstar by LeBron leaving. |
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| If Lakers can get Pat Riley then I am 1000000% confident we will get 1 of the big names... KD, Kawhi, or Kyrie |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| l4kerz wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
lol. they’re lowballing the Lakers.
Lebron will get Zion. |
IF NYK got the 1st, I'd get some their youth plus that pick.  , we'd
be back to where we were, youth wise, prior to all those trades we did but
it would fun to watch the kids develop at least.
We're not trading LeBron, I don't know why I engage in this
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
I'd take a few of those actually. |
Knicks and nets are both intriguing. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
I'd take a few of those actually. |
Knicks and nets are both intriguing. |
Now sure why I'm so high on Lauri Markkanen. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
The addition of LeBron to the Laker organization is more of a business partnership than your regular team signing a free agent. I would expect that if the possibility of the team and LeBron parting ways rather by trade or buyout, it would be mutual agreement and conversation by both parties. LeBron doesn't have a no trade clause but the Lakers would definitely trade him to a preferred place (number one because LeBron could threaten to retire and furthermore not doing so would be a sustained black eye to the org). |
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Sentient Meat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Judging by the general comments made by other NBA players... it wouldn't be a black eye if we traded LBJ... as long as we did it in a respectful manner, we'd gain respect for taking back our team leadership.
Only hardcore LBJ fans would be annoyed. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | What the Lakers could actually get in a LeBron James trade
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wow, all of those suck |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | Judging by the general comments made by other NBA players... it wouldn't be a black eye if we traded LBJ... as long as we did it in a respectful manner, we'd gain respect for taking back our team leadership.
Only hardcore LBJ fans would be annoyed. |
Yeah mutually agreeing to how it is done would be the respectful manner. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| can we please not trade Lebron thanks |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Trade LeBron so some forum members will be happy. 
Get it done Jeanie, Rob, etc....whoever is in charge now. |
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Sentient Meat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad09 wrote: | Yes. Trade LeBron so some forum members will be happy.
Get it done Jeanie, Rob, etc....whoever is in charge now. |
Would you trade him for some young talent if you knew KD or Kawhi would agree to come instead?
Obviously if they would come to play with him... that's the best option... but if they only would come if he left, would you trade him then? |
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