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| deal wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Brook and Randle would have addressed the C position and then some. |
Didn't Luke want them back? But instead the front office signed Rondo and Beasley. |
| Quote: | | “They let Brook Lopez go, the idea being they chose Michael Beasley over him -- which to me is fairly unforgivable -- because they had already lost Julius Randle, and they felt that Beasley had a similar skillset to be a small-ball five as Julius Randle did last year when he was a small-ball five with that second unit and sometimes with the first. So they felt like Beasley’s skillset would replace (that).” |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/3/13/18264750/lakers-rumors-brook-lopez-free-agency-julius-randle-michael-beasley-dangelo-russell-kyle-kuzma |
Magic's bad management will sting for some years to come.... |
You keep Randle and there is no shot at another max free agent this summer. Not surprised they didn't keep him. Lopez we should have kept. |
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| mj32 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Brook and Randle would have addressed the C position and then some. |
Didn't Luke want them back? But instead the front office signed Rondo and Beasley. |
| Quote: | | “They let Brook Lopez go, the idea being they chose Michael Beasley over him -- which to me is fairly unforgivable -- because they had already lost Julius Randle, and they felt that Beasley had a similar skillset to be a small-ball five as Julius Randle did last year when he was a small-ball five with that second unit and sometimes with the first. So they felt like Beasley’s skillset would replace (that).” |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/3/13/18264750/lakers-rumors-brook-lopez-free-agency-julius-randle-michael-beasley-dangelo-russell-kyle-kuzma |
Magic's bad management will sting for some years to come.... |
You keep Randle and there is no shot at another max free agent this summer. Not surprised they didn't keep him. Lopez we should have kept. |
Yes, gotta sacrifice success for dreams.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mj32 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Brook and Randle would have addressed the C position and then some. |
Didn't Luke want them back? But instead the front office signed Rondo and Beasley. |
| Quote: | | “They let Brook Lopez go, the idea being they chose Michael Beasley over him -- which to me is fairly unforgivable -- because they had already lost Julius Randle, and they felt that Beasley had a similar skillset to be a small-ball five as Julius Randle did last year when he was a small-ball five with that second unit and sometimes with the first. So they felt like Beasley’s skillset would replace (that).” |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/3/13/18264750/lakers-rumors-brook-lopez-free-agency-julius-randle-michael-beasley-dangelo-russell-kyle-kuzma |
Magic's bad management will sting for some years to come.... |
You keep Randle and there is no shot at another max free agent this summer. Not surprised they didn't keep him. Lopez we should have kept. |
Yes, gotta sacrifice success for dreams. |
Just renouncing Randle was a gross misuse of an asset. At the very freaking least, sign him and then trade him as soon as possible after Dec. 15 last year. Even if all you get are two 2nd round picks out of it. Do something. Can't just let him leave for nothing, especially since it's not like he broke the bank with the deal that he ended up getting.
As for Lopez, that was a bad mistake too. Especially since we would've had Bird rights this year, and especially since he settled for such a cheap deal. |
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The Juggernaut
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mj32 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Brook and Randle would have addressed the C position and then some. |
Didn't Luke want them back? But instead the front office signed Rondo and Beasley. |
| Quote: | | “They let Brook Lopez go, the idea being they chose Michael Beasley over him -- which to me is fairly unforgivable -- because they had already lost Julius Randle, and they felt that Beasley had a similar skillset to be a small-ball five as Julius Randle did last year when he was a small-ball five with that second unit and sometimes with the first. So they felt like Beasley’s skillset would replace (that).” |
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/3/13/18264750/lakers-rumors-brook-lopez-free-agency-julius-randle-michael-beasley-dangelo-russell-kyle-kuzma |
Magic's bad management will sting for some years to come.... |
You keep Randle and there is no shot at another max free agent this summer. Not surprised they didn't keep him. Lopez we should have kept. |
Yes, gotta sacrifice success for dreams. |
Just renouncing Randle was a gross misuse of an asset. At the very freaking least, sign him and then trade him as soon as possible after Dec. 15 last year. Even if all you get are two 2nd round picks out of it. Do something. Can't just let him leave for nothing, especially since it's not like he broke the bank with the deal that he ended up getting.
As for Lopez, that was a bad mistake too. Especially since we would've had Bird rights this year, and especially since he settled for such a cheap deal. |
100% correct!
Maginka did the complete opposite of building a good roster for Lebron in today's era. They built a team for 1996. |
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Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi...
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Should've kept Randle (even if it was just to trade him), should've kept Lopez, and should've went after Seth Curry. All 3 were pretty cheap. Oh well. All you can do is move forward, try to learn, and hope (against hope, possibly) that Rambinka know what they are doing lol. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo
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| LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. Everyone in that Clips backage but Harrell has 3 years of cost control left. And that Miami pick could be a top 5. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. |
Based on what? U r pretending like its Bosh level injury
And #4 >>>>> sga |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. Everyone in that Clips backage but Harrell has 3 years of cost control left. And that Miami pick could be a top 5. |
Lol at Miami pick could be top 5, that's what the Celtics thought about clippers/Kings pick and they were 20/14 |
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The good news for the Pelicans is even with Anthony Davis still wanting to depart at least his agent Rich Paul has a strong relationship with New Orleans executive newcomer David Griffin. Expect them to work to find a respectful way to facilitate the right move for both parties.
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Lol so much for nop not trading ad |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. |
Based on what? U r pretending like its Bosh level injury
And #4 >>>>> sga |
You don't know it's not serious. Any trade partner will want to see him on the court for a extended period of time. They're gonna trade for him and hope for the best? When he's up for new contract next year? Wishful homerism thinking.
And I'd take SGA over Garland or Culver. 55% TS% in his rookie year. Ingram didn't do that till his 3rd season. Numbers went up in the playoffs. Wasn't afraid of the moment going against one of the all-time teams. Would 100% take him over dice rolling on Garland and his meniscus tear or Culver, who might just be a role player. SGA has allstar potential.
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with.
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| ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with. |
And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
The Lonzo slander!
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| pjiddy wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with. |
And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to. |
Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out.
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with. |
And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to. |
I would hate to see them get AD and Kawhi. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. |
Based on what? U r pretending like its Bosh level injury
And #4 >>>>> sga |
You don't know it's not serious. Any trade partner will want to see him on the court for a extended period of time. They're gonna trade for him and hope for the best? When he's up for new contract next year? Wishful homerism thinking.
And I'd take SGA over Garland or Culver. 55% TS% in his rookie year. Ingram didn't do that till his 3rd season. Numbers went up in the playoffs. Wasn't afraid of the moment going against one of the all-time teams. Would 100% take him over dice rolling on Garland and his meniscus tear or Culver, who might just be a role player. SGA has allstar potential. |
This is the same nonsense u pulled out last year regarding us trading for kawhi Leonard.
We need to see him on court for extended amount before we trade our assets.
Regarding bi He has been cleared to return to bb activities in 6/8 weeks which is soon
So just because u can name 2 kids in draft doesn't mean the potential of 4th is less and sga value is more
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| We have the better package compared to the Clippers. I know most of LG overrated our guys but it's a more valuable package than the Clippers could muster up. Griffin himself before becoming GM was praising our young core quite a bit when on 710 ESPN. |
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with. |
And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to. |
Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out. |
The Clippers do have the pieces to at least make a competitive offer, I feel. I wonder if they will want to do that, though. The Lakers may feel a sense of getting AD to pair with LeBron, but will the Clippers feel that same sense, even if they think they're getting Kawhi? They may not feel that way. They may prefer to sign two max free agents (if they can) and keep their assets, or sign one max free agent and then still have a lot of cap space to sign other valuable players. There's just no way to know. |
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. Everyone in that Clips backage but Harrell has 3 years of cost control left. And that Miami pick could be a top 5. |
Lol at Miami pick could be top 5, that's what the Celtics thought about clippers/Kings pick and they were 20/14 |
Ah, another team once thought something.
If you want to play that game...
Miami also thought Bosh would be okay after the first blood clot issue. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with. |
And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to. |
Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out. |
The Clippers do have the pieces to at least make a competitive offer, I feel. I wonder if they will want to do that, though. The Lakers may feel a sense of getting AD to pair with LeBron, but will the Clippers feel that same sense, even if they think they're getting Kawhi? They may not feel that way. They may prefer to sign two max free agents (if they can) and keep their assets, or sign one max free agent and then still have a lot of cap space to sign other valuable players. There's just no way to know. |
Clips have to get someone to take Danilo off their hands to have cap space for two FAs. Above AD trade leaves still enough for Kawhi.
And trading for AD might be a better sales pitch to Kawhi than anyone else. There's alpha issues with other potential FAs (Butler, Kyrie). AD wants to be a #2. Clippers would clearly be his team. I think they 100% try to trade for AD if they get Kawhi. Klutch would have a stake in both LA teams. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Clippers can make a really good offer for AD
SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick
Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi... |
That doesn't beat #4, Ingram, Kuz, Mo |
You're presuming Ingram has zero health issues going forward, something no potential trading partner will do. And he's entering a contract year. His value is greatly diminished right now. Everyone in that Clips backage but Harrell has 3 years of cost control left. And that Miami pick could be a top 5. |
Lol at Miami pick could be top 5, that's what the Celtics thought about clippers/Kings pick and they were 20/14 |
Ah, another team once thought something.
If you want to play that game...
Miami also thought Bosh would be okay after the first blood clot issue. |
The irony
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| At any rate, no way we get AD offering only one of Ingram/Ball. Griffin will have to get the package offered midseason at a minimum. Should be easy considering how badly we bid against ourselves the last go around. Can't afford to have another failed AD trade played out in the press. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | At any rate, no way we get AD offering only one of Ingram/Ball. Griffin will have to get the package offered midseason at a minimum. Should be easy considering how badly we bid against ourselves the last go around. Can't afford to have another failed AD trade played out in the press. |
The idiot that made those offers is out |
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