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BigGameHames
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| epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | A lot of people think Dunn is a bust so we’ll have to sweeten it a bit. Trade Zo and Kuz for #7, Dunn and Markannen or Carter. |
You're a bulls fan? |
No....we get #4 and 7, Markannen or Carter and Dunn. No good? |
Oh, cuz u said we'll have to sweeten it.
So Zo + Kuz for #7 and Lauri?
Anyone at #7 gonna be better than Zo/Kuz? |
Depends Rui, Reddish, White even the big man from Texas may be around at 7. It’s a tough trade for sure. |
My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
I have a hard time believing the Bulls would do it with BIs contract and blood clot situation. And we’re looking at 4 and 7 not being a huge difference but so are they. |
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Runway8
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | A lot of people think Dunn is a bust so we’ll have to sweeten it a bit. Trade Zo and Kuz for #7, Dunn and Markannen or Carter. |
You're a bulls fan? |
No....we get #4 and 7, Markannen or Carter and Dunn. No good? |
Oh, cuz u said we'll have to sweeten it.
So Zo + Kuz for #7 and Lauri?
Anyone at #7 gonna be better than Zo/Kuz? |
Depends Rui, Reddish, White even the big man from Texas may be around at 7. It’s a tough trade for sure. |
My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
This is a pretty good trade but Bulls want Lonzo.
I would do BI and Zo for Lauri, Denzel, and #7 |
It's like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something. That's a terrible trade, and here you are wanting to give more. LOL!
You guys watch BI for 82 games a year, but watch ESPN highlights of Lauri and want to trade for him. I get it. It's because you see BI's warts, pimples and all. You see all his flaws because you watch him nightly. So grass is always greener elsewhere because you actually don't really watch elsewhere, you just imagine it's better or it'll be better.
BI is actually still 4 months younger than Lauri. In three years, BI has jumped from 40% to 47% to 49.7% this year. Lauri, in his two yrs, did not improve, he's 43% both yrs. He also didn't improve his 3 ball, he was 36% both yrs. How did that work out for us trading Zubac for a 3 pt specialist who shot in the mid 30's?
To make this iffy trade, we want to give the Bulls #4 for their #7. LOL! Then you come in and say, they might want Lonzo too, and it seems you're ready to give in.
Lauri Markkanen, the next Larry Bird? I'll have to watch him closer. My goodness.
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Robster8989
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | epak wrote: | My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
not sure a die hard Bulls fan would even float such a one sided trade....we give them the better player and draft pick.....for the lesser player and draft pick.... |
yeah I dont get this trade at all |
Only reason for the Lakers would be fit/contract.
Lauri can shoot, and is cost controlled whereas Ingram is due an extension next season.
If the Lakers were willing to wait and sign AD as a FA (and if AD was willing to sign with us) we wouldn't need to move Ingram (or Lonzo) to have enought to sign AD outright.
Currently Ingrams cap hold precludes us from having the max space to sign AD
But I agree, Ingram was BEASTING in the months before his injury.
He continues on that trajectory and he is the superior player, tho I like Lauri a bunch too.
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YSong
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| Runway8 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | epak wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | A lot of people think Dunn is a bust so we’ll have to sweeten it a bit. Trade Zo and Kuz for #7, Dunn and Markannen or Carter. |
You're a bulls fan? |
No....we get #4 and 7, Markannen or Carter and Dunn. No good? |
Oh, cuz u said we'll have to sweeten it.
So Zo + Kuz for #7 and Lauri?
Anyone at #7 gonna be better than Zo/Kuz? |
Depends Rui, Reddish, White even the big man from Texas may be around at 7. It’s a tough trade for sure. |
My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
This is a pretty good trade but Bulls want Lonzo.
I would do BI and Zo for Lauri, Denzel, and #7 |
It's like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something. That's a terrible trade, and here you are wanting to give more. LOL!
You guys watch BI for 82 games a year, but watch ESPN highlights of Lauri and want to trade for him. I get it. It's because you see BI's warts, pimples and all. You see all his flaws because you watch him nightly. So grass is always greener elsewhere because you actually don't really watch elsewhere, you just imagine it's better or it'll be better.
BI is actually still months younger than Lauri. In three years, BI has jumped from 40% to 47% to 49.7% this year. Lauri, in his two yrs, did not improve, he's 43% both yrs. He also didn't improve his 3 ball, he was 36% both yrs. How did that work out for us trading Zubac for a 3 pt specialist who shot in the mid 30's?
To make this iffy trade, we want to give the Bulls #4 for their #7. LOL! Then you come in and say, they might want Lonzo too, and it seems you're ready to give in.
Lauri Markkanen, the next Larry Bird? I'll have to watch him closer. My goodness. |
I’m keeping the #4 in my scenario and getting the #7 and Valentine |
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Yeah that's why I said trade for him a page ago |
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YSong
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Btw Markennen hit 120 treys in 50 some games which is why his FG% is 43%. Also hit 88% FTs. 19/9 and about 2.5 treys
Ingram better have the higher FG% since he’s only shooting 2’s. Hit only 30 treys. 18/5 but his game isn’t a good compliment for our team
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| Robster8989 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | epak wrote: | My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
not sure a die hard Bulls fan would even float such a one sided trade....we give them the better player and draft pick.....for the lesser player and draft pick.... |
yeah I dont get this trade at all |
Only reason for the Lakers would be fit/contract.
Lauri can shoot, and is cost controlled whereas Ingram is due an extension next season.
If the Lakers were willing to wait and sign AD as a FA (and if AD was willing to sign with us) we wouldn't need to move Ingram (or Lonzo) to have enought to sign AD outright.
Currently Ingrams cap hold precludes us from having the max space to sign AD
But I agree, Ingram was BEASTING in the months before his injury.
He continues on that trajectory and he is the superior player, tho I like Lauri a bunch too. |
Actually a really good argument/trade if we punt again. But man putting in year 2 of LBJ being here ... we would need a blood oath from AD at that point |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Lauri is a stud and like u said... perfect fit |
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EZ-Ryder
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| 2019 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Lauri is a stud and like u said... perfect fit |
Not just for us, but the entire league. There isn't one team in the NBA that Lauri makes worse. 19 and 9 in year 2 and 36% from 3 and an 87% free throw shooter? And he's 7 feet tall!?
On any other team this guy would be an untouchable asset. It's only because it's the Bulls could I see some team trading for him. |
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epak
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | epak wrote: | My broken record Chicago trade is
BI + #4 for Lauri + #7 |
not sure a die hard Bulls fan would even float such a one sided trade....we give them the better player and draft pick.....for the lesser player and draft pick.... |
yeah I dont get this trade at all |
So you guys are on the side that thinks BI is better than Lauri now. And that BI will be better than Lauri in the future as well? Cool. |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| EZ-Ryder wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Lauri is a stud and like u said... perfect fit |
Not just for us, but the entire league. There isn't one team in the NBA that Lauri makes worse. 19 and 9 in year 2 and 36% from 3 and an 87% free throw shooter? And he's 7 feet tall!?
On any other team this guy would be an untouchable asset. It's only because it's the Bulls could I see some team trading for him. |
I think Chicago would rather easily turn down the above mentioned deal of BI/4 for Lauri/7 |
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epak
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | EZ-Ryder wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Lauri is a stud and like u said... perfect fit |
Not just for us, but the entire league. There isn't one team in the NBA that Lauri makes worse. 19 and 9 in year 2 and 36% from 3 and an 87% free throw shooter? And he's 7 feet tall!?
On any other team this guy would be an untouchable asset. It's only because it's the Bulls could I see some team trading for him. |
I think Chicago would rather easily turn down the above mentioned deal of BI/4 for Lauri/7 |
So you're on the side that thinks Lauri is better than BI now? And in the future? |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No way.
But I thought that's why we were going after the likes of Kawhi? |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No way.
But I thought that's why we were going after the likes of Kawhi? |
Oh I guess I caught the tail end of what was being discussed.. Thought it was just about Ball/Ingram's value, compared to Lauri's. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No way.
But I thought that's why we were going after the likes of Kawhi? |
Oh I guess I caught the tail end of what was being discussed.. Thought it was just about Ball/Ingram's value, compared to Lauri's. |
It was a trade proposal.
Some say Chicago wont do it cuz Lauri is high value.
Some say Lakers wont cuz BI is high value.
:shrug:
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No he's a 7 foot big.
But he would definitely be able to shoot 3s and freethrows |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No way.
But I thought that's why we were going after the likes of Kawhi? |
Oh I guess I caught the tail end of what was being discussed.. Thought it was just about Ball/Ingram's value, compared to Lauri's. |
It was a trade proposal.
Some say Chicago wont do it cuz Lauri is high value.
Some say Lakers wont cuz BI is high value.
:shrug: |
I think both parties could make credible arguments..
After this upcoming season I believe perceptions on Ball and Ingram will change for the better. |
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2019
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | EZ-Ryder wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
Lauri is a stud and like u said... perfect fit |
Not just for us, but the entire league. There isn't one team in the NBA that Lauri makes worse. 19 and 9 in year 2 and 36% from 3 and an 87% free throw shooter? And he's 7 feet tall!?
On any other team this guy would be an untouchable asset. It's only because it's the Bulls could I see some team trading for him. |
I think Chicago would rather easily turn down the above mentioned deal of BI/4 for Lauri/7 |
So you're on the side that thinks Lauri is better than BI now? And in the future? |
I'm on the side that BI has a health issue that is at least somewhat worrisome and he's up for an extension soon. I am also on the side that BI isn't a catch and shoot player the way Lauri can be which is ideal for LeBron and just team spacing in general. I'm further on the side that LeBron doesn't want to play PF which makes things a little more murky.
I don't want to move BI, I'm just saying we'd definitely have our reasons to do so in this scenario. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| LKA wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Would Lauri be able to guard J Butler, Paul George, KD, Kyrie, and other elite perimeter players? |
No he's a 7 foot big.
But he would definitely be able to shoot 3s and freethrows |
I'd prefer the more versatile prospects, who are improving in those areas. Granted Ball may not have shown much by way of shooting, but I'd like to see how he enters a season after being able to work on his game during the off season. |
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PlantedTanks
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | Ingram ain't better than Lauri |
Some of you have not watched Lauri. He’s a perfect fit for our team. Can play that stretch 4/5 role |
I feel Lauri's reputation as a shooter is over hyped and defensively he is a negative. |
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd give Lonzo Ingram and Kuzma for Lauri and they would still say no |
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LKA wrote: | | I'd give Lonzo Ingram and Kuzma for Lauri and they would still say no |
Now this is just silly |
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | I'd give Lonzo Ingram and Kuzma for Lauri and they would still say no |
Now this is just silly |
I don't think so mainly cuz none of them can shoot. But again Chicago still wouldn't accept. They would want LeBron for him. |
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OK Lauri is good but he's not THAT good.
Defensively can you play him in the final 5 minutes of a playoff game? |
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