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| Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
The same people reporting that the deal happens on the 6th are also reporting we're going after max agents.
They don't know what they're talking about. |
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The Juggernaut
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| Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | The room exception is about $4.8 million. All of this math is on the first page guys and gals. |
It's 5.6 for this year is what I saw on hoopshype.com |
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Jesusdelonla
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
| Quote: | From reliable people
1 "Planned" 7/6 date for AD-to-LA is way overstated & teams are amenable to 30-day delay, opening the door to LA max money,
2 AD would waive his kicker for the right player,
3 LA targeting/confident on Kawhi/Butler as targets, not Kemba/Kyrie @fishsports
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spriigan8
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Lot of conjecture in this forum, from media pundits, and social media "insiders."
For an agent heralded as a CAP expert I will be surprised if Pelinka fudged the timing, but I'll judge him when the team's assembled for training camp. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | Realistically, we aren't going to hear anything reliable until at least July 1, right? |
I guarantee Pelinka is smarter than people like to believe lol |
Name 1 move so far that shows this.
So far he has proven over and over again that he has no clue how to build a team. |
People have short memory.
12-13 season last time we made it to the playoff Kobe injured. We are basically a bare bone club, no youth mostly veterans.
New FO (Rob/Magic) Took over Mar 2017
Roster before the new FO
-Dlo, Lou, BI, Randle, Moz
-Young, Jordan, Nance, Deng, Zu, Calderon, Huertas
-Over the cap with the MozDeng signing in the summer to a 4 year deal
-This is where the current front office started, great job our previous FO putting us in a hole. Did I forget to mention we still owe our #1 draft to somebody from the Nash trade. Thanks old FO.
2017 Draft
- #2 Lonzo Ball
- #27 Kyle Kuzma
- #30 Josh Hart
- #42 Thomas Bryant
2018 Draft
- #25 Moritz Wagner
- #39 Issac Bonga
- #47 Svi Mykhailiuk
Current Roster
-Lo, BI, Kuz, LBJ, Mcgee
-Rondo, KCP, Hart, Lance, Bullock, Wagner, Muscala, Tyson, Caruso, Bonga
-We have cap space for a max player and young assets to groom or trade
We have very short memory as to how fast they rebuilt this club in 2 years and made it look like a destination for LBJ.
Now we have AD. |
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Beir32
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| 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
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LKA
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| spriigan8 wrote: | Lot of conjecture in this forum, from media pundits, and social media "insiders."
For an agent heralded as a CAP expert I will be surprised if Pelinka fudged the timing, but I'll judge him when the team's assembled for training camp. |
A very realistic perspective.
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| Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
No he didn't. |
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Beir32
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
How? |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
How? |
This is the part where he blames all of Magic's decisions on Rob to fit his narrative  |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
Let the man have an actual offseason as the main guy running things.. sheesh. |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
How? |
Being a decision maker of letting both Lopez/Randle go who signed 1 year deals for a combined 12M. Proceeded to waste 13M on Lance/Rondo.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
How? |
Being a decision maker of letting both Lopez/Randle go who signed 1 year deals for a combined 12M. Proceeded to waste 13M on Lance/Rondo. |
I'm sure Magic and his big ass ego allowed Pelinka to make all the decisions
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | 27 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
Man, call me crazy but i just dont believe that. I guess time will tell but geez, I just wont believe it until i see it. |
I don't either. The Palinka hire was criticized for dozens or reasons but the one constant was that he knew what he was doing with the cap and would be able to deal accordingly.
If he did screw this up however than I don't know what to say. Line up the GM candidates for interviews asap. |
He proved last off-season he didn’t know how to handle the cap. |
How? |
Being a decision maker of letting both Lopez/Randle go who signed 1 year deals for a combined 12M. Proceeded to waste 13M on Lance/Rondo. |
So that was all Rob then huh? |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
New Orleans would have to pay Davis the trade kicker, but the hit/charge would be on the LA team salary. A somewhat sloppy way of conducting business. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
New Orleans would have to pay Davis the trade kicker, but the hit/charge would be on the LA team salary. A somewhat sloppy way of conducting business. |
Right, cap hit is on us but payment is on them. So maybe NOP's owner is cheap enough to want to save that money and also gain an extra $5 million in cap by waiting as well. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
New Orleans would have to pay Davis the trade kicker, but the hit/charge would be on the LA team salary. A somewhat sloppy way of conducting business. |
Wonder if AD could be persuaded to waive the kicker if NO would be willing to wait until July 30th.
And why does NO want to trade the pick so bad? They'd rather have a veteran who won't be around in a few years than potentially get another all-star in a draft that's suddenly 4-deep? |
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Barring injury to Lonzo/BI, it would be almost impossible for NOP to back out of this deal. Worse, with AD all but being a Laker for the next couple of weeks, the chances of any other team jumping back in the mix are minimal.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
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1 "Planned" 7/6 date for AD-to-LA is way overstated & teams are amenable to 30-day delay, opening the door to LA max money,
2 AD would waive his kicker for the right player,
3 LA targeting/confident on Kawhi/Butler as targets, not Kemba/Kyrie @fishsports
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Thanks. Where does the "reliable people" quote come from? |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
New Orleans would have to pay Davis the trade kicker, but the hit/charge would be on the LA team salary. A somewhat sloppy way of conducting business. |
Wonder if AD could be persuaded to waive the kicker if NO would be willing to wait until July 30th.
And why does NO want to trade the pick so bad? They'd rather have a veteran who won't be around in a few years than potentially get another all-star in a draft that's suddenly 4-deep? |
They probably want to be competing with the young guys, Holiday, and Zion right away for the 8th seed which is why they want another vet to help them. |
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| Arbitrary wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Booby Marks (ESPN) on the radio just again discussed that he's hearing the deal goes down on July 6 and that the timing wasn't negotiated as part of the deal. He then said, we will see if its delayed or not. This is going to drive me nuts for the next three weeks. |
If Pelinka had gotten a discount on the trade, then I could understand not leaning on New Orleans to put the trade on hold while he conducts other business such as a 30% max FA.
Since Pelinka appears to have paid full price (perhaps a bit more than full price), he should have leaned on Griffin to help him out on the timing issue. |
I am seeing that AD's trade kicker would be $4-5 million which NOP would be on the hook for. AD needs to leverage NOP to delay the trade til July 30th to waive that bonus. Also, Rob should just sign the 4th pick anyway delaying the trade. |
New Orleans would have to pay Davis the trade kicker, but the hit/charge would be on the LA team salary. A somewhat sloppy way of conducting business. |
Wonder if AD could be persuaded to waive the kicker if NO would be willing to wait until July 30th.
And why does NO want to trade the pick so bad? They'd rather have a veteran who won't be around in a few years than potentially get another all-star in a draft that's suddenly 4-deep? |
They probably want to be competing with the young guys, Holiday, and Zion right away for the 8th seed which is why they want another vet to help them. |
The Zion clock is already ticking. They need to contend ASAP. Can't afford to surround him with question marks and watch him walk as a free agent years down the road. |
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| It might be suspicious if Anthony Davis is paid $4M for appearing in Space Jam 2 and AD waives his trade kicker.... |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Barring injury to Lonzo/BI, it would be almost impossible for NOP to back out of this deal. Worse, with AD all but being a Laker for the next couple of weeks, the chances of any other team jumping back in the mix are minimal. |
The Pelicans can’t back out of the deal. |
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