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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Joe Pesci wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Kemba's cap old of 18 million is very enticing. You could trade for him and still sign a max guy if Ingram and Ball are both moved (not saying I'd trade 2 for 1, it's just feasible if both their deals are moved). |
And this, my friend, is why Walker is a zillion times more valuable to the Lakers than are Beal and Lillard. You get it. |
Yeah. I think I brought up Kemba's 18m cap hold a few weeks ago too. But I still think it's not 100% coincidental they cleared 38m in cap space (as opposed to 32m which is what KL/Klay can get). |
It 100% isn’t coincidental. I’m with you. I’m emboldened by this lack of coincidence. I believe it (Durant) will happen, so much so that I’m willing to dump Ball and Ingram (now) to begin building a superior team around him. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Joe Pesci wrote: | Flight#24 wrote: | Lonzo + flier for Kemba. Then BI + KCP for beal. Then try to get Ariza after buy out.
Kemba
Beal
Lebron
Kuz
McGee with Chandler closing the games
Pretty damn good team. This of course closes the window for KD or KL, but that's assuming there was a window in the first place.
Or you can get Kemba, then keep the window for KD/KL still open for this summer. Both are good option. |
Kupchak has ZERO motivation to trade Walker, who’s developing a cult-like following in Charlotte, for Lonzo Ball. Zero chance of Kupchak agreeing to your trade.
Matter of fact, they may. It even bite on Ball and Ingram. The Lakers only hope is that Charlotte buys into the idea of Ingram being from Carolina and Walker costing them too much money in free agency.
If Charlotte doesn’t care about Ingram’s roots and they don’t care about paying him max money, they could very well pass on a Ball + Ingram offer.
Ball alone, though, has no chance sir. |
I agree with Lonzo not being an appealing asset to Charlotte. To go from Kemba (high scoring exceptional ball handling/attack game) to Lonzo would be quite the transition for them. I would think they value BI more. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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BigBallerBrand Star Player
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:01 am Post subject: |
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I don't see KD/Warriors being a long term thing.
He clearly is sensitive to the Warriors fan base not being as high on him as the original 3 guys. He will probably win a ring this year and then bounce to try to prove he was the reason for the last 3 rings. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:05 am Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25262884/emotions-flare-kevin-durant-draymond-green-golden-state-warriors-loss
KD angry ? |
I think he's just bored _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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scoobs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Damn, Sacramento wont even do a Held for BI straight up trade anymore. and they need a small forward. We could of sold high and bought low. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25262884/emotions-flare-kevin-durant-draymond-green-golden-state-warriors-loss
KD angry ? |
This was such a non-story. Disappointing _________________
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't see KD/Warriors being a long term thing.
He clearly is sensitive to the Warriors fan base not being as high on him as the original 3 guys. He will probably win a ring this year and then bounce to try to prove he was the reason for the last 3 rings. |
Agreed. It may not be the Lakers but I definitely see him leaving, and this incident did nothing to influence my sentiments.
I do, however, believe that his teammates intuitively know that he will probably leave, especially Draymond Green. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:28 am Post subject: |
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scoobs wrote: | Damn, Sacramento wont even do a Held for BI straight up trade anymore. and they need a small forward. We could of sold high and bought low. |
Ingram’s game is really only appealing when he’s handling the ball.
Didn’t he play his absolute best when he was the point guard (last year)?
He’s a B-level Giannis. As a supporting player, where he’s asked to compliment other guys by hitting jumpers, his value is just not that high. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I'm just going to say, I think Durant is coming to save the day!
I could be wrong, but that's my quess.
KL to the Clippers or he stays in Toronto, they could legit go to the finals.
Imagine that Toronto takes GS 7 games in the finals, and then KL bolts for LA Clippers. I would totally not be surprised. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:36 am Post subject: |
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24Legend007 wrote: | I'm just going to say, I think Durant is coming to save the day!
I could be wrong, but that's my quess.
KL to the Clippers or he stays in Toronto, they could legit go to the finals.
Imagine that Toronto takes GS 7 games in the finals, and then KL bolts for LA Clippers. I would totally not be surprised. |
I think Warriors dismantle the Raptors if they get to the Finals.
Warriors are on cruise control and are getting nippy with each other. And you throw in Boogie who may be able to contribute by the Finals. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:55 am Post subject: |
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scoobs wrote: | Damn, Sacramento wont even do a Held for BI straight up trade anymore. and they need a small forward. We could of sold high and bought low. |
its ur assumption or some media people said that? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:03 am Post subject: |
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lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. |
No, not all teams are looking to win championship. Most owners like any business want to make money.
Fighting for playoffs means team is competitive and ticket sale is good. Plus add whatever money they make from playoffs.
Rebuild means empty arena and no $$$ |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
Muy importante. I’d also add that their roster may (or may not) be stuck in mediocrity. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter.
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. |
No, not all teams are looking to win championship. Most owners like any business want to make money.
Fighting for playoffs means team is competitive and ticket sale is good. Plus add whatever money they make from playoffs.
Rebuild means empty arena and no $$$ |
you think anyone there cares about a middling playoff contender in the East? NC is football country and college hoops country. They lost an NBA team at one point.
Just saying an average team there isn't exactly exciting. _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:13 am Post subject: |
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lakers4life78 wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. |
No, not all teams are looking to win championship. Most owners like any business want to make money.
Fighting for playoffs means team is competitive and ticket sale is good. Plus add whatever money they make from playoffs.
Rebuild means empty arena and no $$$ |
you think anyone there cares about a middling playoff contender in the East? NC is football country and college hoops country. They lost an NBA team at one point.
Just saying an average team there isn't exactly exciting. |
U r making my point. If average team is not exciting then who is coming to watch a tanking team? Nobody |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. |
No, not all teams are looking to win championship. Most owners like any business want to make money.
Fighting for playoffs means team is competitive and ticket sale is good. Plus add whatever money they make from playoffs.
Rebuild means empty arena and no $$$ |
But MJ is cheap. After the Batum experiment, he may be leery of paying nearly 200m to Kemba. He'll get his money regardless thanks to revenue sharing. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Joe Pesci Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | lakers4life78 wrote: | Hornets if they extend walker to 5 years 190 million would be over the tax threshold next year. |
They have a tough choice.
They should rebuild rather than re-sign him and fight for a 8-10 seed every year. |
Objectively speaking, if I’m Charlotte, I don’t trade him for just Ingram (and filler).
If I’m Charlotte, I’d rather pay him, dump some salary to get under the threshold, and take my chances.
For Charlotte, Walker for just Ingram (and filler) is a bad look ... unless Walker causes a disturbance or asks to be traded. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I did actually catch a game in Charlotte once. Nice stadium but yeah, it's pretty sad. It's a football/college basketball town. Hornets are such a low priority there. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Bottom line: none of these guys are on the market right now. The one guy on the market was moved in Butler.
I try and take a big picture view. Lakers are 7-6, 13 games into the year is nothing. Let's see where they are mid January. They have 38 million dollars in cap space and young guys on rookie deals who are tradeable. Plus all their first round picks retained.
I think they're in a solid position. _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: |
But MJ is cheap. After the Batum experiment, he may be leery of paying nearly 200m to Kemba. He'll get his money regardless thanks to revenue sharing. |
come Yin, you said the same exact thing when batum was about to be a free agent. the guy paid Batum a max, you think he is letting his cash cow in Kemba walker go?
i dont think so |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: |
But MJ is cheap. After the Batum experiment, he may be leery of paying nearly 200m to Kemba. He'll get his money regardless thanks to revenue sharing. |
come Yin, you said the same exact thing when batum was about to be a free agent. the guy paid Batum a max, you think he is letting his cash cow in Kemba walker go?
i dont think so |
He is very stingy man. And my point is he probably regrets that move and when it comes to Kemba, he IMO will be in NY most likely or LA. He's a FA. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Bard207 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Now, if we hit the lottery and sign KD, can we then trade for Kemba next yr with a matching salary going out? even if it puts us over cap? |
If they add a 30% Max (Leonard?) this summer (2019), then Ingram could be pushed even lower on the totem pole and it would make it much more difficult to justify him getting a large contract in summer 2020. If he isn't going to be worthy of a large contract in summer 2020, then his value in a trade to Charlotte during the 2019 - 20 season will be low.
86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?
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Non-Taxpaying Teams
Outgoing salary....................Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333.................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million...The outgoing salary plus $5 million
$19.6 million and up...........125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
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Here is a table with a range of possible 2019 - 20 salaries for Walker.
Walker Salary......Subtract.....Intermediate Number....Divide By......Needed Outgoing Salary for LA
$32,700,000.......$100,000.........$32,600,000..................1.25......................$26,080,000
$30,000,000.......$100,000.........$29,900,000..................1.25......................$23,920,000
$28,000,000.......$100,000.........$27,900,000..................1.25.....................$22,320,000
$26,000,000.......$100,000.........$25,900,000..................1.25.....................$20,720,000 |
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