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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I think Kawhi and George will compliment each other very nicely, which is why Kawhi singled George out as the guy he waned to play with. I think LeBron and Davis will compliment each other well too, but since LeBron is a 4 and Davis insists on playing his position, it means for big stretches of the game neither will be in their ideal spot. It means we have to play McGee/Howard more than we want to, it changes up defensive assignments, it puts one less shooter on the floor, it creates a potential issue if we want to play our 3 best scorers together, etc. |
I actually think this point has been overblown in general. The concept that we need to prevent Davis from spending a lot of time wrestling the alligators down low (as PJ used to put it) is probably a good regular season strategy. I don't believe Davis will have any issues guarding five against small ball lineups. The bigger issue is probably that we don't have enough quality wings. |
Remember the hullabaloo about LBJ playing "PG?" Well, functionally on offense, LBJ is a primary ballhandler while AD will be running PnRs, posting up, spotting, etc. They do not play the same "position" in my book at all.
I think with the Clips, it'll be a bit of the first season of the Miami Heat where it was "your turn, my turn" b/w LBJ + Wade. Playmaking will be their biggest weakness. |
interesting comp there to MIA.... both those guys on MIA were better playmakers than the Clips wings too... nice. And PG13 is less clutch than Bron that year |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I think Kawhi and George will compliment each other very nicely, which is why Kawhi singled George out as the guy he waned to play with. I think LeBron and Davis will compliment each other well too, but since LeBron is a 4 and Davis insists on playing his position, it means for big stretches of the game neither will be in their ideal spot. It means we have to play McGee/Howard more than we want to, it changes up defensive assignments, it puts one less shooter on the floor, it creates a potential issue if we want to play our 3 best scorers together, etc. |
I actually think this point has been overblown in general. The concept that we need to prevent Davis from spending a lot of time wrestling the alligators down low (as PJ used to put it) is probably a good regular season strategy. I don't believe Davis will have any issues guarding five against small ball lineups. The bigger issue is probably that we don't have enough quality wings. |
Remember the hullabaloo about LBJ playing "PG?" Well, functionally on offense, LBJ is a primary ballhandler while AD will be running PnRs, posting up, spotting, etc. They do not play the same "position" in my book at all.
I think with the Clips, it'll be a bit of the first season of the Miami Heat where it was "your turn, my turn" b/w LBJ + Wade. Playmaking will be their biggest weakness. |
And throw LouWill in on the turn-taking.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I think Kawhi and George will compliment each other very nicely, which is why Kawhi singled George out as the guy he waned to play with. I think LeBron and Davis will compliment each other well too, but since LeBron is a 4 and Davis insists on playing his position, it means for big stretches of the game neither will be in their ideal spot. It means we have to play McGee/Howard more than we want to, it changes up defensive assignments, it puts one less shooter on the floor, it creates a potential issue if we want to play our 3 best scorers together, etc. |
I actually think this point has been overblown in general. The concept that we need to prevent Davis from spending a lot of time wrestling the alligators down low (as PJ used to put it) is probably a good regular season strategy. I don't believe Davis will have any issues guarding five against small ball lineups. The bigger issue is probably that we don't have enough quality wings. |
Remember the hullabaloo about LBJ playing "PG?" Well, functionally on offense, LBJ is a primary ballhandler while AD will be running PnRs, posting up, spotting, etc. They do not play the same "position" in my book at all.
I think with the Clips, it'll be a bit of the first season of the Miami Heat where it was "your turn, my turn" b/w LBJ + Wade. Playmaking will be their biggest weakness. |
interesting comp there to MIA.... both those guys on MIA were better playmakers than the Clips wings too... nice. And PG13 is less clutch than Bron that year |
Eventually I think PG13 will sublimate his game to KL, but neither Bev/PG are table setters. KL is best at iso ball. I think a lot of that first year HEAT and even OKC (Russ/KD iso ball) will happen. Meanwhile, LBJ I think will seamlessly orchestrate the offense.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I think Kawhi and George will compliment each other very nicely, which is why Kawhi singled George out as the guy he waned to play with. I think LeBron and Davis will compliment each other well too, but since LeBron is a 4 and Davis insists on playing his position, it means for big stretches of the game neither will be in their ideal spot. It means we have to play McGee/Howard more than we want to, it changes up defensive assignments, it puts one less shooter on the floor, it creates a potential issue if we want to play our 3 best scorers together, etc. |
I actually think this point has been overblown in general. The concept that we need to prevent Davis from spending a lot of time wrestling the alligators down low (as PJ used to put it) is probably a good regular season strategy. I don't believe Davis will have any issues guarding five against small ball lineups. The bigger issue is probably that we don't have enough quality wings. |
Remember the hullabaloo about LBJ playing "PG?" Well, functionally on offense, LBJ is a primary ballhandler while AD will be running PnRs, posting up, spotting, etc. They do not play the same "position" in my book at all.
I think with the Clips, it'll be a bit of the first season of the Miami Heat where it was "your turn, my turn" b/w LBJ + Wade. Playmaking will be their biggest weakness. |
interesting comp there to MIA.... both those guys on MIA were better playmakers than the Clips wings too... nice. And PG13 is less clutch than Bron that year |
Eventually I think PG13 will sublimate his game to KL, but neither Bev/PG are table setters. KL is best at iso ball. I think a lot of that first year HEAT and even OKC (Russ/KD iso ball) will happen. Meanwhile, LBJ I think will seamlessly orchestrate the offense. |
On a positive note for the Clippers, it's not like their team was loaded with creators last season without KL and PG13 and they finished top-10 in pace (#9) and offensive efficiency (#7).
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| Quote: | | On a positive note for the Clippers, it's not like their team was loaded with creators last season without KL and PG13 and they finished top-10 in pace (#9) and offensive efficiency (#7). |
Right. But b/c the didn't have 25ppg+ level scorers in KL/PG, they were more equal opportunity players (maybe except Lou).
Lou was 4th in the NBA in usage at 32.4%.
Kawhi was 14th at 30% and PG 18th at 29.5%.
Should be interesting to see how their offense is restructured adding guys who are used to scoring. Who will manage the flow of that offense?
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| I have a strange feeling that Bradley and Dwight (yes I said it) are going to be pleasant surprises. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I have a strange feeling that Bradley and Dwight (yes I said it) are going to be pleasant surprises. |
One of Bradley, Dwight , Caruso will be... 👏🏽
Added onto Bron, AD, Kuz, Green . 5 players who can really contribute any given night is sturdy |
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There goes Plan B.
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I think Kawhi and George will compliment each other very nicely, which is why Kawhi singled George out as the guy he waned to play with. I think LeBron and Davis will compliment each other well too, but since LeBron is a 4 and Davis insists on playing his position, it means for big stretches of the game neither will be in their ideal spot. It means we have to play McGee/Howard more than we want to, it changes up defensive assignments, it puts one less shooter on the floor, it creates a potential issue if we want to play our 3 best scorers together, etc. |
I actually think this point has been overblown in general. The concept that we need to prevent Davis from spending a lot of time wrestling the alligators down low (as PJ used to put it) is probably a good regular season strategy. I don't believe Davis will have any issues guarding five against small ball lineups. The bigger issue is probably that we don't have enough quality wings. |
if they give Kostas some burn as the PF off the bench...LBJ/Kuzma/JDud will suffice at SF.
Otherwise Kuz takes his place at PF...D.Green plays SF with Bron and Dudley. |
That is a horrible idea
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Aah, it's the dead period b/f the season. But CBS Sports ranks our closing lineup #1 (with Rondo in it   ):
| Quote: | 1. Los Angeles Lakers
G Rajon Rondo
G Danny Green
F LeBron James
F Kyle Kuzma
F Anthony Davis
Technically LeBron, Kuzma and Davis are probably all power forwards, but their skill sets are different enough to allow them all to play together to close games. Green has proven himself to be a clutch performer who provides space with his 3-point shooting, but the only question is at point guard, where Rondo will likely earn the early-season crunch-time minutes due to his experience and the trust he's earned with James. Ideally, someone like Quinn Cook would probably fit better given his shooting, so we'll see if he eventually slides into the lineup. Either way, when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis in your closing unit, you're going to be very difficult to beat. For now, that gives the Lakers the best closing lineup in the NBA. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-teams-best-closing-lineup-entering-the-2019-20-season/
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Aah, it's the dead period b/f the season. But CBS Sports ranks our closing lineup #1 (with Rondo in it ):
| Quote: | 1. Los Angeles Lakers
G Rajon Rondo
G Danny Green
F LeBron James
F Kyle Kuzma
F Anthony Davis
Technically LeBron, Kuzma and Davis are probably all power forwards, but their skill sets are different enough to allow them all to play together to close games. Green has proven himself to be a clutch performer who provides space with his 3-point shooting, but the only question is at point guard, where Rondo will likely earn the early-season crunch-time minutes due to his experience and the trust he's earned with James. Ideally, someone like Quinn Cook would probably fit better given his shooting, so we'll see if he eventually slides into the lineup. Either way, when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis in your closing unit, you're going to be very difficult to beat. For now, that gives the Lakers the best closing lineup in the NBA. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-teams-best-closing-lineup-entering-the-2019-20-season/ |
I understand where they are going with AD at center (even though he doesn't want to play canter), so Kuzma could be in the game. But i think the Lakers would be better served to have a shooter in there, such as Cook. |
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| Lebron is the SF and likely Green, and zKCP are the backups. Kuzma and Dudley are more likely the backup PF. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Aah, it's the dead period b/f the season. But CBS Sports ranks our closing lineup #1 (with Rondo in it ):
| Quote: | 1. Los Angeles Lakers
G Rajon Rondo
G Danny Green
F LeBron James
F Kyle Kuzma
F Anthony Davis
Technically LeBron, Kuzma and Davis are probably all power forwards, but their skill sets are different enough to allow them all to play together to close games. Green has proven himself to be a clutch performer who provides space with his 3-point shooting, but the only question is at point guard, where Rondo will likely earn the early-season crunch-time minutes due to his experience and the trust he's earned with James. Ideally, someone like Quinn Cook would probably fit better given his shooting, so we'll see if he eventually slides into the lineup. Either way, when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis in your closing unit, you're going to be very difficult to beat. For now, that gives the Lakers the best closing lineup in the NBA. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-teams-best-closing-lineup-entering-the-2019-20-season/ |
I actually like that closing lineup quite a bit. The only objection anyone can present is Rondo but going down the stretch of a playoff game, I like that a lot. The final shot, I'd swap Cook in there for shooting purposes. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Aah, it's the dead period b/f the season. But CBS Sports ranks our closing lineup #1 (with Rondo in it ):
| Quote: | 1. Los Angeles Lakers
G Rajon Rondo
G Danny Green
F LeBron James
F Kyle Kuzma
F Anthony Davis
Technically LeBron, Kuzma and Davis are probably all power forwards, but their skill sets are different enough to allow them all to play together to close games. Green has proven himself to be a clutch performer who provides space with his 3-point shooting, but the only question is at point guard, where Rondo will likely earn the early-season crunch-time minutes due to his experience and the trust he's earned with James. Ideally, someone like Quinn Cook would probably fit better given his shooting, so we'll see if he eventually slides into the lineup. Either way, when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis in your closing unit, you're going to be very difficult to beat. For now, that gives the Lakers the best closing lineup in the NBA. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-teams-best-closing-lineup-entering-the-2019-20-season/ |
Rondo sucks so much.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Aah, it's the dead period b/f the season. But CBS Sports ranks our closing lineup #1 (with Rondo in it ):
| Quote: | 1. Los Angeles Lakers
G Rajon Rondo
G Danny Green
F LeBron James
F Kyle Kuzma
F Anthony Davis
Technically LeBron, Kuzma and Davis are probably all power forwards, but their skill sets are different enough to allow them all to play together to close games. Green has proven himself to be a clutch performer who provides space with his 3-point shooting, but the only question is at point guard, where Rondo will likely earn the early-season crunch-time minutes due to his experience and the trust he's earned with James. Ideally, someone like Quinn Cook would probably fit better given his shooting, so we'll see if he eventually slides into the lineup. Either way, when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis in your closing unit, you're going to be very difficult to beat. For now, that gives the Lakers the best closing lineup in the NBA. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-every-nba-teams-best-closing-lineup-entering-the-2019-20-season/ |
Rondo sucks so much. |
So very much. But it is ESPN.
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| Rondo should never, NEVER, be on the court with LeBron |
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I believe we will be very good defensively this year, even better than the Clippers.
We might be old might have lost a step, but this are very savvy vets than built there NBA rep partly because of there Def. With all these Def minded players rotation which is key to def should be very good this year). And with eraser anchor of AD, Dwight and Mcgee, there should be no easy layup for teams.
LBJ (All Def 6 times)
Dwight (All Def 5 times)
Rondo (All Def 4 times)
AD (All Def 3 times)
Avery (All Def 2 times)
Green (All Def 1 time)
Caruso, Mcgee, KCP, Dudley (all build there rep as for tough Def) |
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| DLaker wrote: | I believe we will be very good defensively this year, even better than the Clippers.
We might be old might have lost a step, but this are very savvy vets than built there NBA rep partly because of there Def. With all these Def minded players rotation which is key to def should be very good this year). And with eraser anchor of AD, Dwight and Mcgee, there should be no easy layup for teams.
LBJ (All Def 6 times)
Dwight (All Def 5 times)
Rondo (All Def 4 times)
AD (All Def 3 times)
Avery (All Def 2 times)
Green (All Def 1 time)
Caruso, Mcgee, KCP, Dudley (all build there rep as for tough Def) |
Of that group, only one we know for certain that is all NBA level defense now is AD. Green is next, but he's another year older.
Dwight and Avery are wild cards.
LBJ stopped playing consistent D a few years ago and the same for Rondo.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | Marc Stein
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There goes Plan B. |
So they tried to manipulate salary for an Iggy trade, got the basketball reasons and moved on to Thabo. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | I believe we will be very good defensively this year, even better than the Clippers.
We might be old might have lost a step, but this are very savvy vets than built there NBA rep partly because of there Def. With all these Def minded players rotation which is key to def should be very good this year). And with eraser anchor of AD, Dwight and Mcgee, there should be no easy layup for teams.
LBJ (All Def 6 times)
Dwight (All Def 5 times)
Rondo (All Def 4 times)
AD (All Def 3 times)
Avery (All Def 2 times)
Green (All Def 1 time)
Caruso, Mcgee, KCP, Dudley (all build there rep as for tough Def) |
Of that group, only one we know for certain that is all NBA level defense now is AD. Green is next, but he's another year older.
Dwight and Avery are wild cards.
LBJ stopped playing consistent D a few years ago and the same for Rondo. |
They have it in them to play def, will they is the question? But one thing for sure is they know how do it per the rep they made in the league. And if the right button is push and with the anchor down low we have, if we funnel to our strength, help and rotate, I can see us being very good defensively. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | I believe we will be very good defensively this year, even better than the Clippers.
We might be old might have lost a step, but this are very savvy vets than built there NBA rep partly because of there Def. With all these Def minded players rotation which is key to def should be very good this year). And with eraser anchor of AD, Dwight and Mcgee, there should be no easy layup for teams.
LBJ (All Def 6 times)
Dwight (All Def 5 times)
Rondo (All Def 4 times)
AD (All Def 3 times)
Avery (All Def 2 times)
Green (All Def 1 time)
Caruso, Mcgee, KCP, Dudley (all build there rep as for tough Def) |
Of that group, only one we know for certain that is all NBA level defense now is AD. Green is next, but he's another year older.
Dwight and Avery are wild cards.
LBJ stopped playing consistent D a few years ago and the same for Rondo. |
Dudley, Caruso, and McGee should all be net positive defenders. Maybe KCP along with Bradley get there. Daniels, Cook, and Rondo are putrid on that end and no more than one of them should get consistent rotation minutes next season barring injury. Kuz is, well...
The Clippers will be the inverse of the Lakers with likely subpar rim protection, but exceptional wing defense. We'll see how it shakes out between the two teams. My guess is that the Lakers defense is going to finish around 12-15, but with a top-5 offense while the Clippers have the chance to be a top-5 defense with an offense around 8-10.
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| I think we will give the Clippers fits and would match up well with them come playoff time. The Warriors and Nuggets would give us big trouble. |
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Let's not sugarcoat it though. It's going to be rough on our ballhandlers against Bev/PG/KL. That's a murderer's row of ball hawks and defenders, the latter two being all NBA defender caliber players (though surprisingly KL's been slipping on that end).
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I think we will give the Clippers fits and would match up well with them come playoff time. The Warriors and Nuggets would give us big trouble. |
The Warriors and Nuggets have no one to guard Lebron. The Clippers definitely do.
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| I have yet to see anyone stop LJ on the drive from the top of the key with his power dribbling, long strides, and spins. I would be lying if I said I was not concerned about Beverly. He is an agitator who will get in anyones head while actually being a very good defender to boot. |
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