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venturalakersfan
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Yea, the Jazz are a disappointment.
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Good job Kings. Doing decent without the Fox.
Re: the Jazz, I had them low as I felt Mike would let them down health wise. |
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nickuku
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| Chad09 wrote: | Magic are playing the Bucks, Lakers, Rockets in order. Killer three-game stretch for them.  |
Rockets stink. Super overrated.
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| epak wrote: |
Good job Kings. Doing decent without the Fox.
Re: the Jazz, I had them low as I felt Mike would let them down health wise. |
You're looking smart in regards to the Jazz. I think Rudy missed some time as well.
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| I'm also somewhat surprised and somewhat not surprised about OKC playing better now. Still under .500, but in the playoff race at the bottom. They better be hoping CP3 doesn't go down with his regularly scheduled injury. |
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LakerSD
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| epak wrote: |
Good job Kings. Doing decent without the Fox.
Re: the Jazz, I had them low as I felt Mike would let them down health wise. |
True. I thought Conley was on decline too but thought Bogdanovic shooting would open up things. The struggles of Ingles is killing them so teams get to focus on Mitchell and to a lesser extent Bogdanovic.
Rubio couldn’t shoot, but Conley decline seems to be worse.
Sac is not one of the cupcake teams imo. They will make the playoffs and be a pain in the ass. They got too many pieces.
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epak
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| kikanga wrote: | | epak wrote: |
Good job Kings. Doing decent without the Fox.
Re: the Jazz, I had them low as I felt Mike would let them down health wise. |
You're looking smart in regards to the Jazz. I think Rudy missed some time as well. |
Heh. So far I suppose 
But remember how the Jazz had a great 2nd half of the season (was it last year or the year before)? We'll see how it goes. But they're definitely not the #2 team in the West that some had them pegged to be at the start of the season. |
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| epak wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | Should we have gone for Kyrie in FA instead of seeking an AD trade?  |
How does this team do with LeBron and Kyrie? I could see WCF but that’s about it, this current team gives us a swag because so many guys bring different set of skills and experience. |
The current team or the one with all the guys that went out for AD? It's a completely different team. |
Good point, so basically it will be LeBron and Irving + the kids, but I could see Pelinka trading Ball while keeping BI in that scenario. |
Imagine going after Kyrie w/o AD, and having him sit due to injury.
What a waste that would have been. |
Got a few Nets fans friends and none of them believe it's a real injury. And they all want him to keep sitting. |
Cuz they don't like him? Or cuz the team is winning? |
Both. |
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LakerMindLA
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Really interested to see what the teams struggling in the West do.
Portland is paying the luxury tax and with all their injuries, I don't see them making the playoffs. Wonder if they trade McCollum.
Spurs are at they end the road with Demar and LA, I could see them making a youth movement.
Utah needs to make a move to get their mojo back.
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LaLaLakeShow
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | Really interested to see what the teams struggling in the West do.
Portland is paying the luxury tax and with all their injuries, I don't see them making the playoffs.
Utah needs to make a move to get their mojo back. |
Not as tough a conference as initially thought, it appears |
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drae
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Really interested to see what the teams struggling in the West do.
Portland is paying the luxury tax and with all their injuries, I don't see them making the playoffs.
Utah needs to make a move to get their mojo back. |
Not as tough a conference as initially thought, it appears |
Recently the Western conference has good records all the way down to 8th place and beyond, and any team after about 5th place in the East have losing records 
This year, 7th place in the East are 13-10 (Nets) whereas 7th place in the West is 11-12 (Thunder) |
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Really interested to see what the teams struggling in the West do.
Portland is paying the luxury tax and with all their injuries, I don't see them making the playoffs.
Utah needs to make a move to get their mojo back. |
Not as tough a conference as initially thought, it appears |
Recently the Western conference has good records all the way down to 8th place and beyond, and any team after about 5th place in the East have losing records
This year, 7th place in the East are 13-10 (Nets) whereas 7th place in the West is 11-12 (Thunder) |
Yeah. It flipped real quick |
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Utah's schedule is about to get a lot softer. I wouldn't rule them out just yet.
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| Quote: | Cranjis McBasketball
@Tim_NBA
Sneak peak at the Playmaking talent grades for the Lakers who’ve played 200+ minutes:
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HUMONGOUS GAP
C+ (but 4th worst among PGs)
D+ (dead last among PGs)
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It’s a dumpster fire after the top tier. |
Hasn't been too big a problem so far, obviously. But i think it will come playoffs. Will the FO recognize this? Or do they, but just lack the assets/contracts to remedy it? |
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epak
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Quote: | Cranjis McBasketball
@Tim_NBA
Sneak peak at the Playmaking talent grades for the Lakers who’ve played 200+ minutes:
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HUMONGOUS GAP
C+ (but 4th worst among PGs)
D+ (dead last among PGs)
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It’s a dumpster fire after the top tier. |
Hasn't been too big a problem so far, obviously. But i think it will come playoffs. Will the FO recognize this? Or do they, but just lack the assets/contracts to remedy it? |
Or does it become less of a problem when Lebron and AD are playing near 40 mpg? |
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pjiddy
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| epak wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Quote: | Cranjis McBasketball
@Tim_NBA
Sneak peak at the Playmaking talent grades for the Lakers who’ve played 200+ minutes:
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HUMONGOUS GAP
C+ (but 4th worst among PGs)
D+ (dead last among PGs)
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It’s a dumpster fire after the top tier. |
Hasn't been too big a problem so far, obviously. But i think it will come playoffs. Will the FO recognize this? Or do they, but just lack the assets/contracts to remedy it? |
Or does it become less of a problem when Lebron and AD are playing near 40 mpg? |
Hard to say. Teams will have the benefit of having time to prepare and scheme against us. I can't predict what they'll do. Luckily, the teams I'm most concerned about are in the East Conference (Milwaukee and Toronto) though i'm probably one of the few people who still thinks the Clippers could be dangerous in the playoffs--something i could be proven wrong about if Kawhi isn't healthy. People are writing him off because his shooting efficiency is down, but his playmaking took a HUGE leap. Defensively, it might not matter if he's not what he was if PG can take that role and he can take a Lebron-type role as free safety. Anyway, a third playmaker could be the difference between advancing past certain teams and not. |
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The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
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drae
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| ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
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| drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
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drae
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
A bunch of isolation scorers with no playmaker isn't a team to be feared offense wise. Our offense is rated higher, so is the Bucks, so is the Mavericks. The Clippers were supposed to have a fearsome defense with a decent offense but so far their defense has been pretty overrated also.
The Clippers need a playmaker to unlock their offense or they're not winning anything this year. They probably won't even get out of the West. |
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I hate them more than anyone, but I think you are underestimating them. The Clippers are not going to value the regular season nearly as much as we are. I think that's pretty clear. Of course they will have some weaknesses, but so do we, and so do all teams. They are by far the biggest threat to us in the West, wherever they end up in the seedings. |
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| drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
A bunch of isolation scorers with no playmaker isn't a team to be feared offense wise. Our offense is rated higher, so is the Bucks, so is the Mavericks. The Clippers were supposed to have a fearsome defense with a decent offense but so far their defense has been pretty overrated also.
The Clippers need a playmaker to unlock their offense or they're not winning anything this year. They probably won't even get out of the West. |
We’ll see how it all plays out |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
A bunch of isolation scorers with no playmaker isn't a team to be feared offense wise. Our offense is rated higher, so is the Bucks, so is the Mavericks. The Clippers were supposed to have a fearsome defense with a decent offense but so far their defense has been pretty overrated also.
The Clippers need a playmaker to unlock their offense or they're not winning anything this year. They probably won't even get out of the West. |
We’ll see how it all plays out |
Yep. Looking forward to it |
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| drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
A bunch of isolation scorers with no playmaker isn't a team to be feared offense wise. Our offense is rated higher, so is the Bucks, so is the Mavericks. The Clippers were supposed to have a fearsome defense with a decent offense but so far their defense has been pretty overrated also.
The Clippers need a playmaker to unlock their offense or they're not winning anything this year. They probably won't even get out of the West. |
The Clippers don't have a playmaker? Their defense isn't good?
We're like a hair above them in defensive rating: https://i.ibb.co/fS7m8b9/Screen-Shot-2019-12-10-at-12-09-22-AM.png
and that rating doesn't know PG has been out half the season. |
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drae
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| pjiddy wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | drae wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
The Clippers are obviously a dangerous opponent for anyone. Saying otherwise is just kidding ourselves. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but we have to be realistic. Their offensive firepower is insane. |
We definitely saw insane offensive firepower during the Bucks/Clippers match.
Don't believe it was from the Clippers though |
You can't overrate one game. Obviously, the Bucks are a problem for anyone too. Just like we are for anyone. Anytime you have four 19 PPG scorers and the makings of a good perimeter defense in the playoffs, you're going to be a problem in a best-of-7 series. |
A bunch of isolation scorers with no playmaker isn't a team to be feared offense wise. Our offense is rated higher, so is the Bucks, so is the Mavericks. The Clippers were supposed to have a fearsome defense with a decent offense but so far their defense has been pretty overrated also.
The Clippers need a playmaker to unlock their offense or they're not winning anything this year. They probably won't even get out of the West. |
The Clippers don't have a playmaker? Their defense isn't good?
We're like a hair above them in defensive rating: https://i.ibb.co/fS7m8b9/Screen-Shot-2019-12-10-at-12-09-22-AM.png
and that rating doesn't know PG has been out half the season. |
Their offense has been better with PG back has it? I guess that's why when they played the Bucks without PG they lost by only a few.
And no they don't have a playmaker, which is why after the Bucks game the Clipper subreddit contained many crying "we need a (bleep) playmaker"
And I never said their defense wasn't good, I said it's overrated. Which it is. |
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