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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject:

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What reasons are there to think that things wouldn't go well in NO this year, though? They just had a great year.

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Someone told me Jalen Rose said "Kawhi is a lock for not coming to Lakers" and that this must be true because he was the first to say that he wanted out of Spurs.


He also said Lebron was staying with the Cavs a day or two before Lebron decided.


He also said Westbrook to the Lakers years ago.
I'd rather listen to Chris Carter on Kawhi than Jalen on Kawhi.
But I'd rather listen to none of them regarding Kawhi at this point as there's a long way to go before Kawhi has to make a decision.
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Paul Pierce is literally the worst speaker out right now and has ZERO sources. Just says (bleep) for the sake of staying relevant.


You don’t have to have sources to be relevant, especially considering how highly Pierce is looked upon by NBA players, he knows what players are up to.


Who is he looked upon by? And where is the basis for what he knows about players? So am i to assume that pretty much every decently well known EX-NBA player knows what every NBA player is up too? Have you heard some of the stuff Pierce says? 9 times out of 10, its some (bleep). AD to Lakers is an easy rumour and thing to say.


It’s between he and Jalen on who says the silliest stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject:

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Paul Pierce is literally the worst speaker out right now and has ZERO sources. Just says (bleep) for the sake of staying relevant.


You don’t have to have sources to get me to believe you and re-post almost anything.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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It’s between he and Jalen on who says the silliest stuff.


Last week on "Get Up", Stephen A said "if the Lakers get Durant, that's going to weaken the Warriors and make the Lakers the favorites"

Jalen Rose's retort? "Well, then the Warriors are just going to sign Jimmy Butler!"

Mr. Rose apparently has never heard of the salary cap, or how over the luxury tax the Warriors are, and that one superstar, even two superstars, leaving their team doesn't automatically create max cap space. I always admired him from a "street cred" level but that response made me check-out on anything he says moving forward.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject:

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It is going to be nice watching LJ, AD, and KL in Laker uniforms next season.


That would be great to see, but who else would be on the roster to compensate for the acquisition of AD? It would have to be Ingram and Ball since they would earn the most among the young players. The Lakers would also need a team to give Deng a huge money contract to set off some of that dead cap space to help clear some more room. On top of all that, KL would have to be willing to take some sort of pay cut to fit everyone under the cap.


If you want AD, I don't see how we can do it b/c he's set to make 27m next year. BI + Lonzo would be the minimum that would be required and combined they make 15m. So you can use cap space to account for some of that but still a bit short and may threaten a 2019 max slot. The math is pretty close, but i would think Pels would demand BI/Lonzo/Kuz/Hart/future 1sts as a baseline (let alone what other teams could offer).


Mid season trade would easily get it done.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject:

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It is going to be nice watching LJ, AD, and KL in Laker uniforms next season.


That would be great to see, but who else would be on the roster to compensate for the acquisition of AD? It would have to be Ingram and Ball since they would earn the most among the young players. The Lakers would also need a team to give Deng a huge money contract to set off some of that dead cap space to help clear some more room. On top of all that, KL would have to be willing to take some sort of pay cut to fit everyone under the cap.


If you want AD, I don't see how we can do it b/c he's set to make 27m next year. BI + Lonzo would be the minimum that would be required and combined they make 15m. So you can use cap space to account for some of that but still a bit short and may threaten a 2019 max slot. The math is pretty close, but i would think Pels would demand BI/Lonzo/Kuz/Hart/future 1sts as a baseline (let alone what other teams could offer).


Mid season trade would easily get it done.


I don't see Pels trading AD mid-season. I think they'll be in the playoff discussion but not as a contender. Next year's deadline (2020) will probably be when AD may seek a trade.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
AirTupac wrote:
Paul Pierce is literally the worst speaker out right now and has ZERO sources. Just says (bleep) for the sake of staying relevant.


You don’t have to have sources to get me to believe you and re-post almost anything.


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what I have done on this site besides respect and appreciate fan discussion on basketball..?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject:

Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

Sure, but he wanted like $18mil right? At least that is what he received previously. Too expensive.

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Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject:

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Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster


I don't know. Seems like Rob was alright with the outcome:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24070278/los-angeles-lakers-gm-rob-pelinka-built-team-differently-lebron-james

"There's been this kind of surge of 'Hey, where are the shooters?'" Pelinka explained. "To me, that's a little bit of a misnomer because, again, we wanted a particular type of shooter. When we looked at the free-agent list, the elite shooters ... guys who have had max deals as shooters are in the 38 to 42 percent range in 3-point shooting. I'm talking elite shooters. If you look at last year, [he goes on to lists all the Lakers 3P%.].

"So just because we didn't sign sort of the poster-child shooter that is a specialist and can just make shots, we felt like we assembled a cast of guys that can really shoot the ball but also defend and be versatile. ...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject:

cyborgspider wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster


I don't know. Seems like Rob was alright with the outcome:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24070278/los-angeles-lakers-gm-rob-pelinka-built-team-differently-lebron-james

"There's been this kind of surge of 'Hey, where are the shooters?'" Pelinka explained. "To me, that's a little bit of a misnomer because, again, we wanted a particular type of shooter. When we looked at the free-agent list, the elite shooters ... guys who have had max deals as shooters are in the 38 to 42 percent range in 3-point shooting. I'm talking elite shooters. If you look at last year, [he goes on to lists all the Lakers 3P%.].

"So just because we didn't sign sort of the poster-child shooter that is a specialist and can just make shots, we felt like we assembled a cast of guys that can really shoot the ball but also defend and be versatile. ...


Yeah I like Pelinka’s perspective on the team.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

$109 Million Salary Cap

$37,436,858...... LeBron James (1)
$27,093,019...... Anthony Davis (2)
$32,700,000...... 30% Max (3)

$897,158...........Min Salary (4)
$897,158...........Min Salary (5)
$897,158...........Min Salary (6)
$897,158...........Min Salary (7)
$897,158...........Min Salary (8)
$897,158...........Min Salary (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)

$4,990,000........Deng
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$110,294,299
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
$109 Million Salary Cap

$37,436,858...... LeBron James (1)
$27,093,019...... Anthony Davis (2)
$32,700,000...... 30% Max (3)

$897,158...........Min Salary (4)
$897,158...........Min Salary (5)
$897,158...........Min Salary (6)
$897,158...........Min Salary (7)
$897,158...........Min Salary (8)
$897,158...........Min Salary (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)

$4,990,000........Deng
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$110,294,299

Yup. Love AD but I’d rather have lbj/KL and depth.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
$109 Million Salary Cap

$37,436,858...... LeBron James (1)
$27,093,019...... Anthony Davis (2)
$32,700,000...... 30% Max (3)

$897,158...........Min Salary (4)
$897,158...........Min Salary (5)
$897,158...........Min Salary (6)
$897,158...........Min Salary (7)
$897,158...........Min Salary (8)
$897,158...........Min Salary (9)
$897,158...........Min Salary (10)
$897,158...........Min Salary (11)
$897,158...........Min Salary (12)

$4,990,000........Deng
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$110,294,299

Yup. Love AD but I’d rather have lbj/KL and depth.



That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject:

I can't believe some of you are still trying to trade the young core for AD when we can sign Kawhi/KD/Klay/Butler for nothing.

Roll with what we have and then when LBJ gets old we can try for him... It's crazy that some of you have no faith in the core.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:59 pm    Post subject:

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I can't believe some of you are still trying to trade the young core for AD when we can sign Kawhi/KD/Klay/Butler for nothing.

Roll with what we have and then when LBJ gets old we can try for him... It's crazy that some of you have no faith in the core.


Yeah. It’s the Most sustainable championship window IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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I can't believe some of you are still trying to trade the young core for AD when we can sign Kawhi/KD/Klay/Butler for nothing.

Roll with what we have and then when LBJ gets old we can try for him... It's crazy that some of you have no faith in the core.


Yeah. It’s the Most sustainable championship window IMO.


For sure.... The young kids have soooo much upside you have to let them play it out....First one we have to make a decision on would be BI. But i think he has shown enough to get the next contract

I wonder what will happen with Ball when its time for the next contract... He is the one i see us trying to get a bargain on...

They will have to pay Kuz... What about Hart tho?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject:

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I can't believe some of you are still trying to trade the young core for AD when we can sign Kawhi/KD/Klay/Butler for nothing.

Roll with what we have and then when LBJ gets old we can try for him... It's crazy that some of you have no faith in the core.


If we want a franchise type big man we should target Towns, he can be had without giving up the whole youth.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject:

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That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.


This assumes that we could have ditched Deng for a "first or so." I'm sure the FO explored that option. That they stretched him is an indication that it would have cost more than a first or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:53 pm    Post subject:

cyborgspider wrote:
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Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster


I don't know. Seems like Rob was alright with the outcome:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24070278/los-angeles-lakers-gm-rob-pelinka-built-team-differently-lebron-james

"There's been this kind of surge of 'Hey, where are the shooters?'" Pelinka explained. "To me, that's a little bit of a misnomer because, again, we wanted a particular type of shooter. When we looked at the free-agent list, the elite shooters ... guys who have had max deals as shooters are in the 38 to 42 percent range in 3-point shooting. I'm talking elite shooters. If you look at last year, [he goes on to lists all the Lakers 3P%.].

"So just because we didn't sign sort of the poster-child shooter that is a specialist and can just make shots, we felt like we assembled a cast of guys that can really shoot the ball but also defend and be versatile. ...

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. I'm expecting them to be dead last in both free throw percentage and three-point percentage. As bad as they were last year, they could very easily be even worse this year.
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I can't believe some of you are still trying to trade the young core for AD when we can sign Kawhi/KD/Klay/Butler for nothing.

Roll with what we have and then when LBJ gets old we can try for him... It's crazy that some of you have no faith in the core.


If we want a franchise type big man we should target Towns, he can be had without giving up the whole youth.


The only way I'd trade a youngster... is if I had inside information that they weren't getting any better. Kind of like what we did with Clarkson, DLO, Randle. So if they determine Lonzo's shot is permanently broken then I'd trust them to make that judgment. But seeing as all of them seem to be progressing nicely... I wouldn't touch a single one and would wait and sign them when their windows open.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:56 am    Post subject:

I don't care how good AD is, the idea of a three max team with no youth and 10 minimum contracts sounds awful. Also if you're telling me we have to lose the entire core to get AD then that's not worth it to me.

Let's remember where we came from a little bit here. We didn't think we'd land LBJ but we did. LBJ+another max+young core is perfect. Let's not get greedy.

Also lets not get Paul George syndrome here; we haven't signed the 2nd max player yet. I think having LBJ makes it infinitely more likely we land a max player next summer but then I was absolutely 100% sure PG was coming to LA this summer.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:06 am    Post subject:

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That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.


This assumes that we could have ditched Deng for a "first or so." I'm sure the FO explored that option. That they stretched him is an indication that it would have cost more than a first or so.


Based on the amount of teams with cap space in 2019, I agree with you, it probably takes 2 1sts to shed Deng next year.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.


This assumes that we could have ditched Deng for a "first or so." I'm sure the FO explored that option. That they stretched him is an indication that it would have cost more than a first or so.


Based on the amount of teams with cap space in 2019, I agree with you, it probably takes 2 1sts to shed Deng next year.


I suspect that the price was a 1st plus one or more of the young players. If I was one of the other teams, that’s what I would demand. I wouldn’t rent my cap space for a late first round pick. But that’s a dead horse at this point.
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