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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:08 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
its funny how the clippers are innovative with stocking Kawhi at each game
Knicks are innovative with Knicks throwing KD on season renewal
bucks owner says we might become attractive to AD.

but nobody gets tampering fines. only lakers

comedy


Regarding the Clippers, scouting isn’t tampering. Hopefully we have some scouts going to games.
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"Rob Pelinka called me and said that Ben (Simmons) wanted to talk to Hall of Famers after the season, Magic was on the list. He asked for authorization... I said no. This was over a month ago." - Elton Brand shooting down the Ben/Magic meeting πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯


dumb and dumber.


cannot decipher who you are calling dumb?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:22 am    Post subject:

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"Rob Pelinka called me and said that Ben (Simmons) wanted to talk to Hall of Famers after the season, Magic was on the list. He asked for authorization... I said no. This was over a month ago." - Elton Brand shooting down the Ben/Magic meeting πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯


dumb and dumber.


cannot decipher who you are calling dumb?


magic and rob both. if ben simmons is so desperate to work with magic. they should tell Ben to go get the approval from his GM 1st and then the leagues approval.

why the heck is rob calling brand and asking for his authorization?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:22 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
its funny how the clippers are innovative with stocking Kawhi at each game
Knicks are innovative with Knicks throwing KD on season renewal
bucks owner says we might become attractive to AD.

but nobody gets tampering fines. only lakers

comedy

also the Celtics have made it a very open secret they've been gunning for AD for YEARS now.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
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Jesusdelonla wrote:
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"Rob Pelinka called me and said that Ben (Simmons) wanted to talk to Hall of Famers after the season, Magic was on the list. He asked for authorization... I said no. This was over a month ago." - Elton Brand shooting down the Ben/Magic meeting πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯


dumb and dumber.


cannot decipher who you are calling dumb?


magic and rob both. if ben simmons is so desperate to work with magic. they should tell Ben to go get the approval from his GM 1st and then the leagues approval.

why the heck is rob calling brand and asking for his authorization?


ok, yeah Magic has no business helping a player on a competitor improve as long as he holds the VP of Basketball Ops title. We would not be pleased if Kuz spent time with Elton Brand.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject:

Jeremy Lin signing with Toronto. Good pickup for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:48 am    Post subject:

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Jeremy Lin signing with Toronto. Good pickup for them.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject:

seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:03 am    Post subject:

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Jeremy Lin signing with Toronto. Good pickup for them.


The rich get richer...
Nice little squad.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject:

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seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players
Canada.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject:

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seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players


Dude, 2 weeks ago we had
Wagner - Germany
Bonga - Germany
Svi - Ukraine
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:14 am    Post subject:

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seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players


Like Lin, who was born in America?

Oh wait, are you saying they're bringing in international Americans?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:14 am    Post subject:

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SGV-Laker fan wrote:
seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players


Like Lin, who was born in America?

Oh wait, are you saying they're bringing in international Americans?
True. Lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject:

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seems like Toronto is hauling in all the international players


Like Lin, who was born in America?

Oh wait, are you saying they're bringing in international Americans?


I remember watching Lin play in high school in California. Not quite international.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject:

Interestingly, the 76ers and Lakers are basically trying the same things.

76ers YUTES: Embiid/Simmons
Lakers YUTES: BI/Lonzo/Kuz

76ers All Star/All Star caliber players: Jimmy/Tobias
Lakers All Star/All Star caliber players: LBJ/2nd max slot.

Obviously, huge difference is that our YUTES are not all-star players at this point, and pretty far from it.

So, the strategy on its face isn't unrealistic. It's just that our YUTES have not risen to Embiid/Simmons tier yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Interestingly, the 76ers and Lakers are basically trying the same things.

76ers YUTES: Embiid/Simmons
Lakers YUTES: BI/Lonzo/Kuz

76ers All Star/All Star caliber players: Jimmy/Tobias
Lakers All Star/All Star caliber players: LBJ/2nd max slot.

Obviously, huge difference is that our YUTES are not all-star players at this point, and pretty far from it.

So, the strategy on its face isn't unrealistic. It's just that our YUTES have not risen to Embiid/Simmons tier yet.


Kuz and BI both outplayed Simmons... I think BI's outscored Simmons every head to head game the last two seasons.

(And no, I'm not saying BI is better yet... I'm saying the gap isn't as insurmountable as the media would have you believe)

But Embiid... damn. Don't have an answer for that guy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject:

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Interestingly, the 76ers and Lakers are basically trying the same things.

76ers YUTES: Embiid/Simmons
Lakers YUTES: BI/Lonzo/Kuz

76ers All Star/All Star caliber players: Jimmy/Tobias
Lakers All Star/All Star caliber players: LBJ/2nd max slot.

Obviously, huge difference is that our YUTES are not all-star players at this point, and pretty far from it.

So, the strategy on its face isn't unrealistic. It's just that our YUTES have not risen to Embiid/Simmons tier yet.


Kuz and BI both outplayed Simmons... I think BI's outscored Simmons every head to head game the last two seasons.

(And no, I'm not saying BI is better yet... I'm saying the gap isn't as insurmountable as the media would have you believe)

But Embiid... damn. Don't have an answer for that guy.


I'm not talking simply about head-to-head matchups though, as that is too small a sample size. But even if you equate BI/Ben/Kuz on the same tier, as you said Embiid is way ahead.

But there's some hope that BI/Lonzo/Kuz can compete with Ben (though I personally have Ben higher), we simply will lack Embiid's level of play. Even if we got AD, it would take the YUTES to get a player of Embiid's caliber.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:30 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Interestingly, the 76ers and Lakers are basically trying the same things.

76ers YUTES: Embiid/Simmons
Lakers YUTES: BI/Lonzo/Kuz

76ers All Star/All Star caliber players: Jimmy/Tobias
Lakers All Star/All Star caliber players: LBJ/2nd max slot.

Obviously, huge difference is that our YUTES are not all-star players at this point, and pretty far from it.

So, the strategy on its face isn't unrealistic. It's just that our YUTES have not risen to Embiid/Simmons tier yet.


Kuz and BI both outplayed Simmons... I think BI's outscored Simmons every head to head game the last two seasons.

(And no, I'm not saying BI is better yet... I'm saying the gap isn't as insurmountable as the media would have you believe)

But Embiid... damn. Don't have an answer for that guy.


I'm not talking simply about head-to-head matchups though, as that is too small a sample size. But even if you equate BI/Ben/Kuz on the same tier, as you said Embiid is way ahead.

But there's some hope that BI/Lonzo/Kuz can compete with Ben (though I personally have Ben higher), we simply will lack Embiid's level of play. Even if we got AD, it would take the YUTES to get a player of Embiid's caliber.


Yeah Embiid might surpass AD... I think Simmons is stronger, has better handles, is a more dynamic player... but if he doesn't learn to shoot and Ingram improves his strength... Ingram's scoring versatility might edge him ahead. IF Kuz recovers his three ball... he also becomes an elite force on offense.

I have no delusions they will get to Embiid's level... but I'm hoping for three all star players who can trump a superstar/all star combo.

If Ben does get his shot in order... then our three can't match them without some unexpected quantum leap... like Kuz becoming an elite defender... and Zo developing into an all out scorer.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:34 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Interestingly, the 76ers and Lakers are basically trying the same things.

76ers YUTES: Embiid/Simmons
Lakers YUTES: BI/Lonzo/Kuz

76ers All Star/All Star caliber players: Jimmy/Tobias
Lakers All Star/All Star caliber players: LBJ/2nd max slot.

Obviously, huge difference is that our YUTES are not all-star players at this point, and pretty far from it.

So, the strategy on its face isn't unrealistic. It's just that our YUTES have not risen to Embiid/Simmons tier yet.

and that huge difference is why you try to sell high on your young prospects if you get an opportunity like what the Lakers were given with the best player in NBA joining our team with limited window to win.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject:

I see Ben as a 6'10 Rondo (younger version). That's a disgustingly good player.

His shot is going to be an impediment but he can guard 4-5 positions, passes like savant and has such amazing body control.

I do agree he's physically way ahead of BI/Lonzo at this point, but he's only 1 year older than BI.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject:

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I see Ben as a 6'10 Rondo (younger version). That's a disgustingly good player.

His shot is going to be an impediment but he can guard 4-5 positions, passes like savant and has such amazing body control.

I do agree he's physically way ahead of BI/Lonzo at this point, but he's only 1 year older than BI.


Yeah, the tall Rondo comp is a good one... though I'm not sure he has Rondo's competitive fire. We'll soon find out this playoffs though.
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I see Ben as a 6'10 Rondo (younger version). That's a disgustingly good player.

His shot is going to be an impediment but he can guard 4-5 positions, passes like savant and has such amazing body control.

I do agree he's physically way ahead of BI/Lonzo at this point, but he's only 1 year older than BI.


Yeah, the tall Rondo comp is a good one... though I'm not sure he has Rondo's competitive fire. We'll soon find out this playoffs though.


I think Rondo had that a-hole streak in him that made him a pest out there. I don't see that with Simmons, but thankfully Embiid has that.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject:

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I see Ben as a 6'10 Rondo (younger version). That's a disgustingly good player.

His shot is going to be an impediment but he can guard 4-5 positions, passes like savant and has such amazing body control.

I do agree he's physically way ahead of BI/Lonzo at this point, but he's only 1 year older than BI.


Yeah, the tall Rondo comp is a good one... though I'm not sure he has Rondo's competitive fire. We'll soon find out this playoffs though.


I think Rondo had that a-hole streak in him that made him a pest out there. I don't see that with Simmons, but thankfully Embiid has that.


Yeah with Butler and Embiid... they have enough a-holes.

Good balance with Tobias and Ben... that team is going to be tough to beat if they can keep it intact.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject:

It'll be interesting to see who comes out of the east in the Post LBJ era....seems like all the top teams are fortifying their lineups for the playoffs.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
I see Ben as a 6'10 Rondo (younger version). That's a disgustingly good player.

His shot is going to be an impediment but he can guard 4-5 positions, passes like savant and has such amazing body control.

I do agree he's physically way ahead of BI/Lonzo at this point, but he's only 1 year older than BI.


Yeah, the tall Rondo comp is a good one... though I'm not sure he has Rondo's competitive fire. We'll soon find out this playoffs though.


I think Rondo had that a-hole streak in him that made him a pest out there. I don't see that with Simmons, but thankfully Embiid has that.


Yeah with Butler and Embiid... they have enough a-holes.

Good balance with Tobias and Ben... that team is going to be tough to beat if they can keep it intact.


I want to see the first time....or maybe second time Brown chooses to use Butler as a decoy on a critical game winning play. To date, Butler has not been able to handle being a 3rd or 4th option....honestly he has struggled with being #2.
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