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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am    Post subject:

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Dedmon -- 7ish mill per
Aminu -- 9ish mill per
Bogdanovic -- 19ish mill per
Bullock -- 4ish mill per
Rivers -- 4ish mill per
Vonleh -- min
Muscala -- min

Lineup w/Ingram Out of Rotation:

PG - James - Ball - Caruso
SG - Rivers - (Hart) - draft pick
C - Dedmon - Wagner - Muscala - Williams
PF - Aminu - Kuzma - Vonleh
SF - Bogdanovic - Bullock - (Ingram)


I totally get the "Moneyball" approach here, but Magic/Rob are no "Moneyball" guys.

Now, applying both your prescriptive (what you suggest) and predictive (what we think Maginka) will do, what is your lineup?

I'll bite ...

Butler -- 30ish mill per
Dedmon -- 7ish mill per
Mbah a Moute -- 5ish mill per (RE)
Curry -- min
Bullock -- 4ish mill per (BE)

PG - James - Ball
SG - Curry - (Hart)
C - Dedmon - Wagner
PF - Mbah a Moute - Kuzma
SF - Butler - Bullock


I'd have to run the numbers, but not sure we can have Bullock's cap hold and enough to sign Dedmon to that amount. I really don't think Mbah is getting a full room exception coming off a year where he was hurt most of the season and is 32. I would in your scenario use the RE on Bullock (might have to relinquish his Bird rights?).

I think Seth Curry is getting more than the minimum though.

Yeah, I know I'm reaching with the numbers a bit.

All the more reason, however, to follow my original scenario -- much more realistic, clean, and doable.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject:

The numbers IIRC work for this:

-have to renounce Bullock first to have enough cap space.
-Jimmy or Kemba at max (I'm assuming KD, KL, Klay, etc. all go elsewhere).
-Dedmon with remaining cap space.
-room exception for whomever you want at the wing shooter spot (let's say Bullock for purposes of this discussion).

That sort of fits with what Magic wants (big name), better shooting (Dedmon/Bullock).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject:

No one seems to be mentioning Rudy Gay... he’s a FA this summer... and would add value to our team.. he’s shooting 41% from 3 this season.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject:

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No one seems to be mentioning Rudy Gay... he’s a FA this summer... and would add value to our team.. he’s shooting 41% from 3 this season.


Have to go for the bigger fish first before we do that.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject:

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No one seems to be mentioning Rudy Gay... he’s a FA this summer... and would add value to our team.. he’s shooting 41% from 3 this season.


Nah. We need real shooters.. not “having a career year on low volume” shooters
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject:

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curious....what do you think it would cost for the Lopez brothers? They kind of offset each others weaknesses, and would not be too upset about yielding playing time to each other.....just not sure what type of money they will get this summer.


I doubt that Brook has any desire to return here. Bridges are burnt.


ok, but that was not my question


I can’t answer your question, this offseason will probably be different than the past couple were. More money usually means that some get overpaid, Brook might be one but I doubt that his brother is.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:18 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/igotsources/status/1106053263160283136

@Mr. Untouchable: Kawhi Leonard is in fact in attendance at LeBron James Toronto Reunion one source said.

It's been reported that Kawhi was spotted at LBJ's party in Toronto last night. Keep planting the seeds LeRecruit.


I would guess that many of the Raptor players were there. Klutch marketing baby!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject:

Of course I wanted PG13, but interestingly, Kemba is about the same age as PG13. However, guards at Kemba's size tend to age less gracefully so there's that.

Jimmy is about 1.4 years older than Kemba/PG13.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject:

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Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject:

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Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


and they wont be able to prove anything
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject:

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Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


Why would they if they're a FA and if it's a player, not a team, inducing another player to come?

Now if the Lakers did something afoul of the CBA to a non-FA, sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:26 am    Post subject:

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Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


and they wont be able to prove anything


They don’t have to, but good to see that you are so involved in the movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject:

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The Juggernaut wrote:
Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


and they wont be able to prove anything


They don’t have to, but good to see that you are so involved in the movie.


huh?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject:

If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject:

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If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.


Well, better than that going to Boogie.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject:

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If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.


Well, better than that going to Boogie.


Yes, and Butler or Walker is better than KCP and Lance. We basically can’t punt cap space next offseason
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject:

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If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.


Well, better than that going to Boogie.


Yes, and Butler or Walker is better than KCP and Lance. We basically can’t punt cap space next offseason


We cannot and should not. 6 years of punt teams and we wonder why there is no established culture on this team.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:11 pm    Post subject:

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Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


Your guess would be wrong as usual
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.


Well, better than that going to Boogie.


Yes, and Butler or Walker is better than KCP and Lance. We basically can’t punt cap space next offseason


We cannot and should not. 6 years of punt teams and we wonder why there is no established culture on this team.


built a team man. give everybody 3yr contracts. so they expire with Lebron
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:24 pm    Post subject:

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If the 2nd max slot is Jimmy/Kemba, that is a major fail of the FO.


Well, better than that going to Boogie.


Yes, and Butler or Walker is better than KCP and Lance. We basically can’t punt cap space next offseason


We cannot and should not. 6 years of punt teams and we wonder why there is no established culture on this team.


Really crazy that Ingram is the longest tenured Laker in his third year. At 22 years old.

Add in the coaching changes and ownership bickering and it is even less of a surprise the Lakers are in such chaos.

Will not be any better this summer with all the expiring contract players needing to be replaced or if a mega trade sends out several players. Not too far a stretch to potentially seeing James the only returning player of the top ten mpg this season.

Scary to think of that kind of roster turnover and expecting any kind of chemistry. Good luck Magic!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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The numbers IIRC work for this:

-have to renounce Bullock first to have enough cap space.
-Jimmy or Kemba at max (I'm assuming KD, KL, Klay, etc. all go elsewhere).
-Dedmon with remaining cap space.
-room exception for whomever you want at the wing shooter spot (let's say Bullock for purposes of this discussion).

That sort of fits with what Magic wants (big name), better shooting (Dedmon/Bullock).

This team really needs a lunch pale guy like Aminu or Mbah a Moute. Their severEly lacking in hustle guys. It's why Williams stands out so much.

They also would need that sniper my man.

Butler and Walker just aren't worth the team missing out on two crucial team needs.

But your point is valid and recieved: Magic won't sign Bogdanovic over Butler.

I agree. Anything's possible though. He's got to be experiencing some moments of self-reflection after the Davis debacle and Zuback trade, so maybe ...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/igotsources/status/1106053263160283136

@Mr. Untouchable: Kawhi Leonard is in fact in attendance at LeBron James Toronto Reunion one source said.

It's been reported that Kawhi was spotted at LBJ's party in Toronto last night. Keep planting the seeds LeRecruit.

"It's been reported" - maybe the most passive-aggressive meaningless phrase in the history of news-breaking.


The tweet was a statement that Kawhi was there. I added the commentary on the bottom referring to the report.
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The numbers IIRC work for this:

-have to renounce Bullock first to have enough cap space.
-Jimmy or Kemba at max (I'm assuming KD, KL, Klay, etc. all go elsewhere).
-Dedmon with remaining cap space.
-room exception for whomever you want at the wing shooter spot (let's say Bullock for purposes of this discussion).

That sort of fits with what Magic wants (big name), better shooting (Dedmon/Bullock).

This team really needs a lunch pale guy like Aminu or Mbah a Moute. Their severEly lacking in hustle guys. It's why Williams stands out so much.

They also would need that sniper my man.

Butler and Walker just aren't worth the team missing out on two crucial team needs.

But your point is valid and recieved: Magic won't sign Bogdanovic over Butler.

I agree. Anything's possible though. He's got to be experiencing some moments of self-reflection after the Davis debacle and Zuback trade, so maybe ...

But Magic is pretty unequovical about having a second "star," though it's a major dilution from KD/KL to Kemba/Jimmy.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:36 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
Bron needs to get down on his knees for Kawhi to come here. Rich Paul better offer him some Space Jam type movie roles or other projects with Bron.


I would guess that the league would look very closely at any player who was in the movie and then ended up on Lebron’s team.


Absolutely, but it depends on the timing. If Player X signs with the Lakers, then gets cast in a cameo role, it would be no big deal. If Player X signs a deal that pays significant money, then signs with the Lakers around the same time, there would be multiple possible issues.

But this strikes me as unlikely. Kawhi Leonard does not seem like someone who would want to be in the movies.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:38 pm    Post subject:

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The numbers IIRC work for this:

-have to renounce Bullock first to have enough cap space.
-Jimmy or Kemba at max (I'm assuming KD, KL, Klay, etc. all go elsewhere).
-Dedmon with remaining cap space.
-room exception for whomever you want at the wing shooter spot (let's say Bullock for purposes of this discussion).

That sort of fits with what Magic wants (big name), better shooting (Dedmon/Bullock).

This team really needs a lunch pale guy like Aminu or Mbah a Moute. Their severEly lacking in hustle guys. It's why Williams stands out so much.

They also would need that sniper my man.

Butler and Walker just aren't worth the team missing out on two crucial team needs.

But your point is valid and recieved: Magic won't sign Bogdanovic over Butler.

I agree. Anything's possible though. He's got to be experiencing some moments of self-reflection after the Davis debacle and Zuback trade, so maybe ...

But Magic is pretty unequovical about having a second "star," though it's a major dilution from KD/KL to Kemba/Jimmy.

I agree and not arguing, just pointing out that he's already reticently acknowledged that he was wrong about not needing shooters by making it his top priority at the deadline. It is possible that he just might be interested in a guy, Bogdanovic, who is shooting over 42% from three and averaging 18 points a game.

It doesn't take a very smart man to see that this team is better with Bogs, Rivers, and Aminu than they are with Butler, Jimmer Fredette, and Jared Dudley.
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