OFFICIAL GENERAL FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (No Kawhi, But Lakers Sign Green, Cook, KCP, Caruso, Cousins, Dudley, Daniels, McGee & Bradley)
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 1242, 1243, 1244 ... 3641, 3642, 3643  Next

 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ocho
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 44936

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:53 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
At any rate, no way we get AD offering only one of Ingram/Ball. Griffin will have to get the package offered midseason at a minimum. Should be easy considering how badly we bid against ourselves the last go around. Can't afford to have another failed AD trade played out in the press.


If the package we offered midseason is the minimum and we all tend to agree that will now include #4, are we certain that Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, #4, and a future 1st for Davis is a good idea? Because I don't think it is.
_________________
14-5-3-12
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Jesusdelonla
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 24 Jan 2018
Posts: 10208

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
At any rate, no way we get AD offering only one of Ingram/Ball. Griffin will have to get the package offered midseason at a minimum. Should be easy considering how badly we bid against ourselves the last go around. Can't afford to have another failed AD trade played out in the press.


If the package we offered midseason is the minimum and we all tend to agree that will now include #4, are we certain that Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, #4, and a future 1st for Davis is a good idea? Because I don't think it is.


It's absolutely a no
_________________
Relax, it's just a game bro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
pjiddy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 12 Dec 2005
Posts: 22750
Location: North Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
At any rate, no way we get AD offering only one of Ingram/Ball. Griffin will have to get the package offered midseason at a minimum. Should be easy considering how badly we bid against ourselves the last go around. Can't afford to have another failed AD trade played out in the press.


If the package we offered midseason is the minimum and we all tend to agree that will now include #4, are we certain that Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, #4, and a future 1st for Davis is a good idea? Because I don't think it is.


Not sure I do, but the FO will think differently. Ingram is the only one of that group with allstar potential but he has a health red flag. Kuzma and Hart are what they are. I really like Ball, but he's a super role player and I'm not convinced his shot ever gets fixed. The #4 is nice but i don't see potential all-star in anyone other than Zion and maybe Ja. I was very anti-AD trade midseason but i might do it now.

Keep in mind we made that offer with literally no one else making offers. Now we'll have Knicks and maybe Clippers offering. Very easy for Griffin to pretend to like Knicks and Clippers offers more. And our FO could not stand the idea of losing AD to the Clippers (especially if we lose out on Kawhi as well).

Lakers will be offering the full boat, like it or not. We've proven that we're not savvy negotiators. Pelinka getting Kobe some max contracts was not the master negotiator we thought he was.


Last edited by pjiddy on Wed May 15, 2019 9:04 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ChickenStu
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 17980
Location: Anaheim, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Clippers can make a really good offer for AD

SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick

Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi...


Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with.


And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to.


Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out.


The Clippers do have the pieces to at least make a competitive offer, I feel. I wonder if they will want to do that, though. The Lakers may feel a sense of getting AD to pair with LeBron, but will the Clippers feel that same sense, even if they think they're getting Kawhi? They may not feel that way. They may prefer to sign two max free agents (if they can) and keep their assets, or sign one max free agent and then still have a lot of cap space to sign other valuable players. There's just no way to know.


Clips have to get someone to take Danilo off their hands to have cap space for two FAs. Above AD trade leaves still enough for Kawhi.

And trading for AD might be a better sales pitch to Kawhi than anyone else. There's alpha issues with other potential FAs (Butler, Kyrie). AD wants to be a #2. Clippers would clearly be his team. I think they 100% try to trade for AD if they get Kawhi. Klutch would have a stake in both LA teams.


Correct, they'd have to dump Gallo, but given that he's not a bad player and that he's an expiring, they should be able to do that without dipping too terribly into their collection of assets. They may feel they are better off signing, say, Kawhi and a 2nd max guy, AND having all their assets still left, instead of teaming Kawhi and AD while depleting some of those assets. I don't know that, but they certainly could feel that way.

They don't have as much pressure to try to put a championship team together immediately. We pretty much do, given the LeBron timeline.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Hero Ball
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 3404

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:03 pm    Post subject:

I was for the AD deal, not anymore.

We'll snag him come free agency.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
pjiddy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 12 Dec 2005
Posts: 22750
Location: North Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject:

Hero Ball wrote:
I was for the AD deal, not anymore.

We'll snag him come free agency.


You renouncing Ingram?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakerMindLA
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 Dec 2008
Posts: 3797

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Clippers can make a really good offer for AD

SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick

Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi...


Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with.


And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to.


Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out.


The Clippers do have the pieces to at least make a competitive offer, I feel. I wonder if they will want to do that, though. The Lakers may feel a sense of getting AD to pair with LeBron, but will the Clippers feel that same sense, even if they think they're getting Kawhi? They may not feel that way. They may prefer to sign two max free agents (if they can) and keep their assets, or sign one max free agent and then still have a lot of cap space to sign other valuable players. There's just no way to know.


Clips have to get someone to take Danilo off their hands to have cap space for two FAs. Above AD trade leaves still enough for Kawhi.

And trading for AD might be a better sales pitch to Kawhi than anyone else. There's alpha issues with other potential FAs (Butler, Kyrie). AD wants to be a #2. Clippers would clearly be his team. I think they 100% try to trade for AD if they get Kawhi. Klutch would have a stake in both LA teams.


Correct, they'd have to dump Gallo, but given that he's not a bad player and that he's an expiring, they should be able to do that without dipping too terribly into their collection of assets. They may feel they are better off signing, say, Kawhi and a 2nd max guy, AND having all their assets still left, instead of teaming Kawhi and AD while depleting some of those assets. I don't know that, but they certainly could feel that way.

They don't have as much pressure to try to put a championship team together immediately. We pretty much do, given the LeBron timeline.


Clippers theoretically could fit 3 max players depending on what they do with Gallo and if that 3rd max is Beal or AD.

They also don't need to trade Gallo to a team that can completely absorb his salary. They can still take back a contract and get 2 max players, which makes trading him much easier.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Hero Ball
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 3404

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
I was for the AD deal, not anymore.

We'll snag him come free agency.


You renouncing Ingram?


100%

if it comes down to it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
pjiddy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 12 Dec 2005
Posts: 22750
Location: North Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
I was for the AD deal, not anymore.

We'll snag him come free agency.


You renouncing Ingram?


100%

if it comes down to it.


A third straight lotto pick given up for cap space. Lol.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakerLogic
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 27 Mar 2005
Posts: 16757

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Ingram, Zo, Kuzma, Garland/Hunter/Culver > AD.

AD is not Giannis or even Kawhi.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Hero Ball
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 3404

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
I was for the AD deal, not anymore.

We'll snag him come free agency.


You renouncing Ingram?


100%

if it comes down to it.


A third straight lotto pick given up for cap space. Lol.


Cap space to sign AD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Hero Ball
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 3404

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject:

you dont waste assets like that for someone who you can get for nothing in free agency...

...NEXT YEAR
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
2019
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 03 Dec 2014
Posts: 7257

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:19 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ChickenStu
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 17980
Location: Anaheim, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:21 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Clippers can make a really good offer for AD

SGA (probably the best chip out there with Ingram's clotting issues and Tatum off the market)
Shamet
Robinson
Harrell
2021 Heat pick

Can make that trade and still have the cap space to sign Kawhi...


Plus the Clippers aren't a team that New Orleans specifically doesn't want to deal with.


And if they really want to say eff you to the Lakers, that's who you trade him to.


Hard to say who/what Griffin/Benson will value. Maybe they love someone at #4 and find that very valuable. Maybe they don't like anyone at #4. I'd bet the Clippers are in the driver's seat at the moment with Boston and the Lakers looking up and the Knicks being the odd man out.


The Clippers do have the pieces to at least make a competitive offer, I feel. I wonder if they will want to do that, though. The Lakers may feel a sense of getting AD to pair with LeBron, but will the Clippers feel that same sense, even if they think they're getting Kawhi? They may not feel that way. They may prefer to sign two max free agents (if they can) and keep their assets, or sign one max free agent and then still have a lot of cap space to sign other valuable players. There's just no way to know.


Clips have to get someone to take Danilo off their hands to have cap space for two FAs. Above AD trade leaves still enough for Kawhi.

And trading for AD might be a better sales pitch to Kawhi than anyone else. There's alpha issues with other potential FAs (Butler, Kyrie). AD wants to be a #2. Clippers would clearly be his team. I think they 100% try to trade for AD if they get Kawhi. Klutch would have a stake in both LA teams.


Correct, they'd have to dump Gallo, but given that he's not a bad player and that he's an expiring, they should be able to do that without dipping too terribly into their collection of assets. They may feel they are better off signing, say, Kawhi and a 2nd max guy, AND having all their assets still left, instead of teaming Kawhi and AD while depleting some of those assets. I don't know that, but they certainly could feel that way.

They don't have as much pressure to try to put a championship team together immediately. We pretty much do, given the LeBron timeline.


Clippers theoretically could fit 3 max players depending on what they do with Gallo and if that 3rd max is Beal or AD.

They also don't need to trade Gallo to a team that can completely absorb his salary. They can still take back a contract and get 2 max players, which makes trading him much easier.


Yeah that's true, I guess there's a way for them to get 3 All-Stars this summer. Wonder if they will feel like really going for it, if they did have a commit from Kawhi. Still hoping we're the ones with the commit. If so, I think we'd be more likely to get aggressive for AD, as opposed to the Clips. Who knows, though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Hero Ball
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 3404

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:23 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


you don't like the Javale signing for the vet min.?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakerMindLA
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 26 Dec 2008
Posts: 3797

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:28 pm    Post subject:

What the Lakers do with #4 will tell us how confident they are with signing a max FA.

If there is no trade agreed to before the draft, the Lakers still feel they can get Kawhi, Kyrie, or Kemba.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
pjiddy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 12 Dec 2005
Posts: 22750
Location: North Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject:

Hero Ball wrote:
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


you don't like the Javale signing for the vet min.?


One good move doesn't outweigh the 10 bad ones. Would rather have had Brook/Randle/Robinson. Perfect center depth. Shooting, small-ball 5, shotblocking.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ChickenStu
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 17980
Location: Anaheim, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:33 pm    Post subject:

[quote="Hero Ball"]
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


you don't like the Javale signing for the vet min.?[/quote

Yeah they got that right, but considering that he's not as good as Lopez, that still takes precedence. No reason they couldn't have had both, also, especially after waiving Robinson. And if McGee had preferred a cheap deal elsewhere because he wanted a chance to start, fine, you have Lopez, so it wouldn't have been a killer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ChickenStu
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 17980
Location: Anaheim, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
What the Lakers do with #4 will tell us how confident they are with signing a max FA.

If there is no trade agreed to before the draft, the Lakers still feel they can get Kawhi, Kyrie, or Kemba.


It may not be that way. In fact, knowing they have a commit from a top free agent may actually embolden them to become even more aggressive for AD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epak
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 31218

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


Is that the one where Julius opts in this year and kills the potential 2nd superstar?
_________________
πŸ‘Š Los Angeles Lakers πŸ‘Š

For us anything short of a championship is not success.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
YSong
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Sep 2016
Posts: 2329

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:40 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


Is that the one where Julius opts in this year and kills the potential 2nd superstar?


Nope. That’s the one where we max out Julius and trade LBJ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epak
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 31218

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
epak wrote:
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


Is that the one where Julius opts in this year and kills the potential 2nd superstar?


Nope. That’s the one where we max out Julius and trade LBJ


Yikes. Not a fan of that timeline.
_________________
πŸ‘Š Los Angeles Lakers πŸ‘Š

For us anything short of a championship is not success.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ChickenStu
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 17980
Location: Anaheim, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


Is that the one where Julius opts in this year and kills the potential 2nd superstar?


If they were worried about that, they simply could have traded him after Dec. 15 for whatever assets they could have gotten. You can't just let a 20 and 10 starter walk for nothing, not at that age, and it looked even worse when the deal he ended up taking wasn't even that good.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
YSong
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Sep 2016
Posts: 2329

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject:

Randle is gone. Move on

If he was this amazing 20/10 player how come he’s not getting that 4/$100mm deal?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epak
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 31218

PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
epak wrote:
2019 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Lopez with a monster game for the Bucks tonight. Sigh.


Without even going back as far as the DLO deal... we could have easily had:

Lopez | Robinson | Zubac
Julius | Kuzma | Bryant
LeBron | Bullock
Ingram | Hart
Lonzo

But Magic thought he was outsmarting everyone....


Is that the one where Julius opts in this year and kills the potential 2nd superstar?


If they were worried about that, they simply could have traded him after Dec. 15 for whatever assets they could have gotten. You can't just let a 20 and 10 starter walk for nothing, not that that age, and it looked even worse when the deal he ended up taking wasn't even that good.


Is that the one where we have to attach a pick to get rid of Julius cuz he wouldn't have gotten 20/10 on this team last year? Or the one that Julius does get 20/10 and someone gives us a pick to trade him which pisses off fans for trading away a 20/10 guy mid season?
_________________
πŸ‘Š Los Angeles Lakers πŸ‘Š

For us anything short of a championship is not success.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 1242, 1243, 1244 ... 3641, 3642, 3643  Next
Page 1243 of 3643
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB