OFFICIAL GENERAL FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (2019 Free Agents and 2019 Max FA Scenario w/ AD Trade, p. 1)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject:

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I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen


BI is gone. If there’s a way to keep 2 of Kuz, Zo and 4 it’s a win...


what are you basing BI is gone, but there is hope to keep Lonzo? I think Lonzo's contract being higher and under team control longer makes him the most likely moved. BI is probably a close 2nd because of his contract amount.



NOP has no reason to not ask for both.
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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


At this point, I just wonder who we are bidding against. We can't get him for a pittance, sure, but our position seems to be getting stronger by the second.


We are bidding against ourselves, but if we really want to maximize FA, we also need to offer $21.5m in contracts, which requires us to overpay in a way.


it depends on who we could possible get in FA.....really suck to overpay and have Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie and Butler all say no...which appears very possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject:

If we could get Kawho and AD on this team, I dont care who we would need to trade to Male that happen. However, still, you dont give away assets just to give them away. Every asset lost is also a lost opportunity regardless of who you know is coming.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject:

I keep seeing that we are bidding against ourselves but have we made any counterbids?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:57 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Bard, last question..

What if we don't think we're getting a max, so we end up sending out 16-18 mil instead of 21? Does it have to be 21 no matter what? Or can we just subtract the difference from our space?
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GameCock-MD wrote:
adkindo wrote:
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I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen


BI is gone. If there’s a way to keep 2 of Kuz, Zo and 4 it’s a win...


what are you basing BI is gone, but there is hope to keep Lonzo? I think Lonzo's contract being higher and under team control longer makes him the most likely moved. BI is probably a close 2nd because of his contract amount.



NOP has no reason to not ask for both.


I would expect both to be gone...not sure both end up in New Orleans.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:57 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


Eddie Jones for Glen Rice, JR Reid and BJ Armstrong

NVE for Tony Battie and Tyronn Lue


Both under Jerry West...


West said that they had no interest in trading for Davis
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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


Eddie Jones for Glen Rice, JR Reid and BJ Armstrong

NVE for Tony Battie and Tyronn Lue


Both under Jerry West...


West said that they had no interest in trading for Davis

Thank you for informing us of what another franchise would like to do, but we are the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:59 pm    Post subject:

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AD needs someone who can get him easy shots. That's Lonzo.


AD doesn't need to have to work too hard on the defensive end...Lonzo helps with that.


Pretty clear who we need to keep. Not gonna happen because other teams know that too.


There’s a guy name Lebron on the roster. He’s an ok passer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject:

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Quoting Bard here..

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2019-20 Player

$37,436,858......LeBron James (1)

$32,700,000......Leonard (2)
$27,093,019......Davis (3)

$2,063,520........Moritz Wagner (4)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (5)


$897,158...........Minimum Salary (6)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (7)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (8)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (9)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (10)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (11)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (12)

$0.....................Lonzo Ball
$0.....................Brandon Ingram
$0.....................Josh Hart
$0.....................Bonga

$4,990,000.........Luol Deng [stretch waiver charge]
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That is roughly $3.5 million over a $109 million salary cap.

Obviously we will be over the cap once the dust settle's, but isn't that the point of waiting to execute the trade until we actually sign a 30% guy? If we are just at/under the cap after signing a max, are we still allowed to send out the 21m to acquire AD putting us over the cap?

Edit: Sorry, just saw your explanation above that clears it up.


I think you can sign your own free agents and go over the cap.....cant you
so kcp, rondo, lance and macgee can be resigned at a descent rate


Nope. We only get the cap space if we renounce those guys and lose our rights to them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
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AD needs someone who can get him easy shots. That's Lonzo.


AD doesn't need to have to work too hard on the defensive end...Lonzo helps with that.


Pretty clear who we need to keep. Not gonna happen because other teams know that too.


There’s a guy name Lebron on the roster. He’s an ok passer


Yeah he's ok. I mean he's definitely no Lonzo Ball. But he's an ok player.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject:

I will go on record saying that if we could actually sign Kawhi in FA, I would rather keep BI, Ball and the #4.

Also, if I was a GM, the lesson I would take from the Lakers is to never sign your 1st Superstar on your roster if he is over 30 years old. This Lebron timeline really limits a teams decisions in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject:

StoicChalice392 wrote:
I keep seeing that we are bidding against ourselves but have we made any counterbids?


its unbelievable. Rob needs to get off the phone until draft day morning. if they want to take the celtics overhyped bums let em do it
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I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


that is the dream...but appears near impossible


Apparently Lakers prefer Luzma the most because he is cost controlled and at a small salary for two more years to boot. For the same reason, the Pelicand may also value Kuzma regardless of any opinion that BI is the superior talent. From a cap standpoint, because his deal is up this year, BI is the worst asset. That may make him the least tradable too. I'm holding out hope that is the case.


If this trade doesn’t happen then we will be on the hook to make that decision
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:02 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


+1.

I used to think you were just cynical but, man, you are on point about most of the recent poor management decisions....

If it really is 3-4 cost controlled players plus first round picks for a player who is telling you he is opting out the next year no matter what that is absolutely insane - REGARDLESS of how good ANY of the players are in the trade.


+2...guys this is the new smell of a weak FO
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adkindo wrote:
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I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen


BI is gone. If there’s a way to keep 2 of Kuz, Zo and 4 it’s a win...


what are you basing BI is gone, but there is hope to keep Lonzo? I think Lonzo's contract being higher and under team control longer makes him the most likely moved. BI is probably a close 2nd because of his contract amount.


I assumed NO would demand BI, but after the Pincus post I'm not sure. What if they're high enough on Kuzma and find a 3rd team player for the 4 pick. Could be Zo, #4, Kuzma and either Hart or a protected 1st.

Any team with LBJ, Davis and Ingram would be potent but I dont know what you do in FA if you only have say 21M. Vucevic? I'd love a post draft non BI trade, but how do you trust the Pels on any sort of agreement?
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trablos wrote:
Thanks Bard, last question..

What if we don't think we're getting a max, so we end up sending out 16-18 mil instead of 21? Does it have to be 21 no matter what? Or can we just subtract the difference from our space?


Even if you don’t think you’re getting the max why wouldn’t you spend he money on the best shooters/3&D on the market?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject:

How many players do we have to trade to match salary? It takes a lot of young guys to match AD's value.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
I will go on record saying that if we could actually sign Kawhi in FA, I would rather keep BI, Ball and the #4.

Also, if I was a GM, the lesson I would take from the Lakers is to never sign your 1st Superstar on your roster if he is over 30 years old. This Lebron timeline really limits a teams decisions in my opinion.


I feel the same way. The depth of “the kids” and their cost effectiveness of being on rookie scale contracts is more important, since they can limit the minutes/load on Kawhi and Lebron during the regular season.
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trablos wrote:
Thanks Bard, last question..

What if we don't think we're getting a max, so we end up sending out 16-18 mil instead of 21? Does it have to be 21 no matter what? Or can we just subtract the difference from our space?


We would use cap space for the difference
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
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AD needs someone who can get him easy shots. That's Lonzo.


AD doesn't need to have to work too hard on the defensive end...Lonzo helps with that.


Pretty clear who we need to keep. Not gonna happen because other teams know that too.


There’s a guy name Lebron on the roster. He’s an ok passer


But doesn’t help on the defensive end
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
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Thanks Bard, last question..

What if we don't think we're getting a max, so we end up sending out 16-18 mil instead of 21? Does it have to be 21 no matter what? Or can we just subtract the difference from our space?


Even if you don’t think you’re getting the max why wouldn’t you spend he money on the best shooters/3&D on the market?

That's what I'm getting at. It's looking like Lonzo + BI are needed to reach the 21m, but if we could replace one of them with Kuz/Hart + filler, then round out the roster with good role players, that would be a major win.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:07 pm    Post subject:

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No need to compare our situation to GSW's. Steph and Klay were stars the moment they touched down. There wasn't questions surrounding them about whether they can make a damn freethrow 🤔


I don't necessarily disagree with your argument, but it should be noted that both Warriors came into the league at the age of 21 after each playing three years in college. I think that extra development makes a huge difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:07 pm    Post subject:

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You have AD, Lebron, Kuzma, Hart - how would you round out the roster with ~27m and the room exception?

My guess is it will be KCP for ~15m.....


If no 2nd max ...

- Ariza
- Morris Bros
- Rondo
- McGee
- Beverly
- Aminu
- collison
- Lamb
- Green


Wait. So the "we'll be pleased" was about ONLY AD?
I thought it was a guarantee for the 3rd super star.

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