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Sentient Meat
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| Jon Lovitz wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
Because they probably want to tank and I don't think Korver wants to play for a rebuilding team. |
Yeah, maybe... it'd be nice to get him, but if I were them I'd trade him to someone who needed his shooting for another pick if that was the case |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | If only the team getting the 4th pick would just wait until July 30th would make things so much easier |
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| Jon Lovitz wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
Because they probably want to tank and I don't think Korver wants to play for a rebuilding team. |
Also his deal is only partially guaranteed. He is due 7.5 million for this season, but if he's waived before July 7th, he's only due 3.5 (and the cap hit is only 3.5).
That's one of the reasons he was part of the trade (cap relief), and also why he's certainly getting waived by Memphis.
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
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| nomoreshaq wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | Trade done by tomorrow?
Lakers get: AD and 2021 Hawks top 55 protected 2nd
Pelicans get: Ball, Ingram, Hart, #8 and #10
Hawks get: Wagner, Bonga, Jones and 2020 Lakers 2nd |
Dang, and the #4 gets snapped? Poor Hawks  |
 #4 to Hawks |
I really love that deal.
I would even hope the Pels would add their #54 to the Hawks. |
can someone TLDR the last 50 pages for me again? basically sounds like pelinka is smart and that we are basically getting full max slot (and maybe more money). might end up with Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Kuz and 5 million ish (maybe) and room exception. |
We have cap space for close to a max 7-9 yos FA ~$32M as is. Meaning we could sign a FA and then do the AD trade with the signed #4's salary (~$7M) to match. However that means we cannot trade the #4 player for 30 days since we signed him.
So to get rid of that delay of 30 days, the Lakers can potentially trade the #4 pick (before the draft). That removes the ~$7M cap hold of the #4 pick, and gives the Lakers close to $39M in cap space. They can then use up that space with FAs. Then they can do the AD trade. The only issue is that to make salaries match, the Lakers need to include Bonga, Moe and JJ to the original trade proposal that was leaked. So the issue seems to be that the Lakers need to find a 3rd team to trade those 3 to, as the Pels seem to not want them.
Sorry, it's still long, that's the gist.
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| LAL1947 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | A team to keep an eye on in the Al Horford sweepstakes is the Brooklyn Nets, league source says. The #Nets are a team on the rise, Al's close ties to head coach Kenny Atkinson and the team's cap space mentioned as the main reasons. |
Would be such (bleep) poetry if years after fleecing Brooklyn they turn around and sign Bostons two best players outright. |
C: Allen
PF: Horford
SF: Harris?
SG: Irving
PG: LeVert
Not bad. |
PG: Irving / Dinwiddie
SG: LeVert / Joe Harris
SF: Prince / Kurocs
PF: Horford / ??
C: Allen / Ed Davis
If they get Horford, that'll finally address their biggest weakness in the East... someone who can help defend Giannis/Embiid in the playoffs.
They can add PF and SF backup with their 27th and 31st picks (PF: Bazley, Samanic, Claxton.... SF: KPJ, Thybulle, Okeke, Cam Johnson). |
Let D'Lo go to sign a last contract of career big man? |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | If only the team getting the 4th pick would just wait until July 30th would make things so much easier |
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Greg Popovich, David Griffin, Benson on the phone w/ the Hawks: Ok Hawks GM don't agree to waiting til' the 30th to make the deal. we ok with that?
Hawks GM: Wait Pop how'd you get here?? |
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BlueNGold
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
The problem with Melo is that he is nowhere near NBA shape. At least that's what the mainstream windbags are saying. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | The added benefits of having both Lebron and AD on the same team is that we now could attract quality FA for cheap. We just need to find the Iguodala and the Livingston to fill out our roster and we're good. I'm confident it will happen. In Rob I trust. |
neither of those guys are cheap...both are overpaid |
Iguodala was cheap when he first signed with the Warriors. Not his recent contract though. As always, there will be players who are hungry for a championship and will sign for less. |
The Spurs drove up his price 3 years ago, and the Warriors matched it.
Never really came back to bite them, either. |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
teams love to leave Melo open |
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https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1141391608040087552
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The #Lakers path to AD + a Max Player.
Pre-7/6
Negotiate deals for a Max player ($32.7M), & 2 cheaper Vets ($7M, $3.6M)
7/6
Renounce cap holds
Sign a Max
Sign 2 Vets w/ space & an exception to get over cap
Process a 3-team, 7-player trade
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All Hail Lord Pelinka!
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If we had Kawhi. Would that allow Lebron to spend his energy as the point guard on offense? We could still have a point guard to defend (which means there'd be a lot of cross matching on defense).
That way, we dont need to focus on a playmaking PG and instead focus on a 3 and D point guard. |
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anth2000
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| BlueNGold wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
The problem with Melo is that he is nowhere near NBA shape. At least that's what the mainstream windbags are saying. |
Looks like he is working on it though....and I am not a Melo fan...
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1140779366571532288 |
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| epak wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | Trade done by tomorrow?
Lakers get: AD and 2021 Hawks top 55 protected 2nd
Pelicans get: Ball, Ingram, Hart, #8 and #10
Hawks get: Wagner, Bonga, Jones and 2020 Lakers 2nd |
Dang, and the #4 gets snapped? Poor Hawks |
#4 to Hawks |
I really love that deal.
I would even hope the Pels would add their #54 to the Hawks. |
can someone TLDR the last 50 pages for me again? basically sounds like pelinka is smart and that we are basically getting full max slot (and maybe more money). might end up with Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Kuz and 5 million ish (maybe) and room exception. |
We have cap space for close to a max 7-9 yos FA ~$32M as is. Meaning we could sign a FA and then do the AD trade with the signed #4's salary (~$7M) to match. However that means we cannot trade the #4 player for 30 days since we signed him.
So to get rid of that delay of 30 days, the Lakers can potentially trade the #4 pick (before the draft). That removes the ~$7M cap hold of the #4 pick, and gives the Lakers close to $39M in cap space. They can then use up that space with FAs. Then they can do the AD trade. The only issue is that to make salaries match, the Lakers need to include Bonga, Moe and JJ to the original trade proposal that was leaked. So the issue seems to be that the Lakers need to find a 3rd team to trade those 3 to, as the Pels seem to not want them.
Sorry, it's still long, that's the gist. |
Can you elaborate on this? How do we already have a 7m cap hold for the pick, yet can't include that money to match salary in a trade that occurs weeks later? |
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RCS926
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| epak wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | Trade done by tomorrow?
Lakers get: AD and 2021 Hawks top 55 protected 2nd
Pelicans get: Ball, Ingram, Hart, #8 and #10
Hawks get: Wagner, Bonga, Jones and 2020 Lakers 2nd |
Dang, and the #4 gets snapped? Poor Hawks |
#4 to Hawks |
I really love that deal.
I would even hope the Pels would add their #54 to the Hawks. |
can someone TLDR the last 50 pages for me again? basically sounds like pelinka is smart and that we are basically getting full max slot (and maybe more money). might end up with Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Kuz and 5 million ish (maybe) and room exception. |
We have cap space for close to a max 7-9 yos FA ~$32M as is. Meaning we could sign a FA and then do the AD trade with the signed #4's salary (~$7M) to match. However that means we cannot trade the #4 player for 30 days since we signed him.
So to get rid of that delay of 30 days, the Lakers can potentially trade the #4 pick (before the draft). That removes the ~$7M cap hold of the #4 pick, and gives the Lakers close to $39M in cap space. They can then use up that space with FAs. Then they can do the AD trade. The only issue is that to make salaries match, the Lakers need to include Bonga, Moe and JJ to the original trade proposal that was leaked. So the issue seems to be that the Lakers need to find a 3rd team to trade those 3 to, as the Pels seem to not want them.
Sorry, it's still long, that's the gist. |
We can only hope that the Lakers and NO end up doing a trade for just the #4 pick tomorrow. |
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| logical24 wrote: | https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1141391608040087552
Breaks down the cap and all I like it
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Negotiate deals for a Max player ($32.7M), & 2 cheaper Vets ($7M, $3.6M)
7/6
Renounce cap holds
Sign a Max
Sign 2 Vets w/ space & an exception to get over cap
Process a 3-team, 7-player trade
Complete roster w/ exceptions & mins |
3 Team 7 player trade is most likely the hardest hurdle but it will be done with cash considerations. |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | BlueNGold wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
The problem with Melo is that he is nowhere near NBA shape. At least that's what the mainstream windbags are saying. |
Looks like he is working on it though....and I am not a Melo fan...
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1140779366571532288 |
Standing on an empty court and shooting =/= playing the game at full, half, or even a quarter speed. He may still be able to shoot, but he's not in shape to do what will be asked of him. |
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RCS926
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| trablos wrote: | | epak wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | Trade done by tomorrow?
Lakers get: AD and 2021 Hawks top 55 protected 2nd
Pelicans get: Ball, Ingram, Hart, #8 and #10
Hawks get: Wagner, Bonga, Jones and 2020 Lakers 2nd |
Dang, and the #4 gets snapped? Poor Hawks |
#4 to Hawks |
I really love that deal.
I would even hope the Pels would add their #54 to the Hawks. |
can someone TLDR the last 50 pages for me again? basically sounds like pelinka is smart and that we are basically getting full max slot (and maybe more money). might end up with Lebron, Kawhi, AD, Kuz and 5 million ish (maybe) and room exception. |
We have cap space for close to a max 7-9 yos FA ~$32M as is. Meaning we could sign a FA and then do the AD trade with the signed #4's salary (~$7M) to match. However that means we cannot trade the #4 player for 30 days since we signed him.
So to get rid of that delay of 30 days, the Lakers can potentially trade the #4 pick (before the draft). That removes the ~$7M cap hold of the #4 pick, and gives the Lakers close to $39M in cap space. They can then use up that space with FAs. Then they can do the AD trade. The only issue is that to make salaries match, the Lakers need to include Bonga, Moe and JJ to the original trade proposal that was leaked. So the issue seems to be that the Lakers need to find a 3rd team to trade those 3 to, as the Pels seem to not want them.
Sorry, it's still long, that's the gist. |
Can you elaborate on this? How do we already have a 7m cap hold for the pick, yet can't include that money to match salary in a trade that occurs weeks later? |
The cap hold exists for us while we still have the pick but the salary for that pick doesn't count against a trade unless we sign the pick first. If we trade the pick tomorrow, we remove the cap hold from that pick. If we sign the pick, then we have to wait 30 days before we can trade that player. However, when the signed #4 gets traded, his salary would be counted in the trade in terms of matching salaries.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
They were daring Melo to shoot last year. He was awful. |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Woj on Get Up reiterating Lakers aren't getting a top FA even if they get $32m in cap, FU Woj |
He did bring up a good point tho. There's gonna be a lot of competition for Redick. He's not gonna sign here for $10-11m/year. |
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| epak wrote: | If we had Kawhi. Would that allow Lebron to spend his energy as the point guard on offense? We could still have a point guard to defend (which means there'd be a lot of cross matching on defense).
That way, we dont need to focus on a playmaking PG and instead focus on a 3 and D point guard. |
If we have Kawhi, 3 and D players guard, not necessarily point guard, becomes the utmost priority. Then a pure shooter, then a banger. I think the buy out market will be far more interesting than whatever left in the market. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | If only the team getting the 4th pick would just wait until July 30th would make things so much easier |
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Greg Popovich, David Griffin, Benson on the phone w/ the Hawks: Ok Hawks GM don't agree to waiting til' the 30th to make the deal. we ok with that?
Hawks GM: Wait Pop how'd you get here?? |
(bleep) Popovic and the Spurs! Salty bastards |
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anth2000
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| BlueNGold wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | BlueNGold wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
The problem with Melo is that he is nowhere near NBA shape. At least that's what the mainstream windbags are saying. |
Looks like he is working on it though....and I am not a Melo fan...
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1140779366571532288 |
Standing on an empty court and shooting =/= playing the game at full, half, or even a quarter speed. He may still be able to shoot, but he's not in shape to do what will be asked of him. |
True...I am not saying he is....and I am not a fan.....have read that he is working out like crazy though. This is probably just a portion of what he is doing.....
I would take Reddick though.....we know he can shoot and is in shape |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | BlueNGold wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | I don't see why they would waive Korver unless he lost his ability to shoot.
He's still better than anyone we have from three at 37 |
For sure. I would take Korver, Reddick and even bring in Melo for the vet min. Here are three guys you can't really leave open while AD and Lebron reek havoc down low....
Just my opinion... |
The problem with Melo is that he is nowhere near NBA shape. At least that's what the mainstream windbags are saying. |
Looks like he is working on it though....and I am not a Melo fan...
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1140779366571532288 |
Not a Melo fan too but he’s a low risk, higher reward if it works out. For the vet min, you won’t find a microwave off the bench like him. |
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