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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | After December 15, kcp + 4 2nd Rd picks for Covington |
and KCP says "no thanks".....please lets not put KCP in every trade this year when we know from last year he will just say no. Now that we have his full bird rights after this season....I do not see him agreeing to go anywhere. |
Valid point. But Pelinka cut him off at the pass with the 2021 plan. Selling Davis on a post LeBron co-star is going to keep the powder dry. Sorry KCP, can’t give you an overpriced extension. Plus, he’s stocked the roster with shooters that are going to push KCP for minutes after he goes through his usual bender. LeBron is loyal to Klutch, but he’s more loyal to winning. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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€H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | Say what you want about Chris Paul, but I’m thinking it’s a pretty good fit for the old man.
Adams, Schroeder, Galinari... even Felton, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Diallo.
I think CP3 will enjoy playing in OKC. |
If OKC actually tried to compete this season, I think they could have a real shot at the playoffs. But it just makes no sense for them to do that. With PG and RW, at least there was a theoretical championship-caliber squad somewhere in there, if Presti could've turned the other pieces into another All-Star somehow. With the team they have now, they just don't have that ceiling, obviously. So instead of being a possible treadmill team as CP3 ages, they might as well embrace the full teardown. Move off CP3's money if you can (if you can get away with 1 first round pick to move him, I'd do it), get what you can for Gallo, get what you can for Adams, and embrace the rebuild. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | CP3's contract was the best thing anybody could get for WB? |
Well . . . if you throw in the draft picks, possibly so. The Westbrook contact is pretty bad, too. Whatever he may have done in the past, Westbrook wasn't all that great last year. Paul had a better RPM, and it wasn't all that close. Now, RPM does not capture the full impact of a guy who averages a triple double, nor does it capture Paul's age. But it also doesn't capture the fact that Westbrook is a knucklehead who is resistant to doing anything other than what he wants to do. If you were, say, the Pistons or the Magic, how much would you offer for Westbrook if you knew that he didn't want to play for you? |
I think WB could've been traded for something that OKC wanted to keep. Westbrook had a bad shooting season. But he still averaged a triple double and had a higher PER and win share than Paul. WB was wayy above average for a starter in alot of statistical categories. And played 15 and 17 more regular season games than Paul last year and the year before.
As things stand now. Presti is gonna need to use some of his draft picks to unload Paul, IF it's possible. Why trade for all those picks with George, just so you have to give some of them away to get rid of Paul? Should'nt have traded for something he wasn't gonna use. Really screwed over his bargaining power. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | After December 15, kcp + 4 2nd Rd picks for Covington |
Covington wrecks the 2021 plan (that is already a horrible plan) so he isn’t even an option. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | After December 15, kcp + 4 2nd Rd picks for Covington |
Covington wrecks the 2021 plan (that is already a horrible plan) so he isn’t even an option. |
Thanks Rob |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | After December 15, kcp + 4 2nd Rd picks for Covington |
Covington wrecks the 2021 plan (that is already a horrible plan) so he isn’t even an option. |
Thanks Rob |
Plus KCP has a no trade clause. He apparently loves LA. |
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nzahir Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Where tf did we get 4 2nds from?
2024 is our earliest 2nd we can trade I believe
So 2024 and 2026?
Also with all this KCP trade talk, remember that he has a NTC and this is all likely not realistic. Need a cheap wing who can defend unless Iggy is bought out
Jae trade maybe? THT, Cook, and Rondo? Add a 2nd possibly?
Last time I watched him in CLE he was awful at D, but he used to be above avg in Bos. Not sure about UTA if anyone knows |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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€H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | Say what you want about Chris Paul, but I’m thinking it’s a pretty good fit for the old man.
Adams, Schroeder, Galinari... even Felton, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Diallo.
I think CP3 will enjoy playing in OKC. |
I doubt all those guys will finish the season with the Thunder. They are in full rebuild mode and the entire roster is available. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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AFireInside619 wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | After December 15, kcp + 4 2nd Rd picks for Covington |
Covington wrecks the 2021 plan (that is already a horrible plan) so he isn’t even an option. |
Thanks Rob |
Plus KCP has a no trade clause. He apparently loves LA. |
Plus I'll take the 4 2nd round picks |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Hopefully Morris' 2nd half slump continues this year |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Hopefully Morris' 2nd half slump continues this year |
For what?
Guy plays for the Knicks. |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Morris may have fired Rich Paul, but not before Rich did another favor for the Lakers |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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drae wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Morris may have fired Rich Paul, but not before Rich did another favor for the Lakers |
The very reason he got fired.
Clippers had a 40M offer.
Klutch slept on it. |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | drae wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Morris may have fired Rich Paul, but not before Rich did another favor for the Lakers |
The very reason he got fired.
Clippers had a 40M offer.
Klutch slept on it. |
There is almost a 0% chance Clips had a $40m offer because if they did offer that, they wouldn't have had room for Kawhi or would have had to renounce basically Beverly, Zubac and McGruder. |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | drae wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | Klutch sports kept Morris away from the Clippers.
Good job. |
Morris may have fired Rich Paul, but not before Rich did another favor for the Lakers |
The very reason he got fired.
Clippers had a 40M offer.
Klutch slept on it. |
There is almost a 0% chance Clips had a $40m offer because if they did offer that, they wouldn't have had room for Kawhi or would have had to renounce basically Beverly, Zubac and McGruder. |
It’s unclear how long the $41 million offer was, which may have played into its rejection. If the Clippers offered Morris a three-year deal, it would have started at just over $13 million, which would have still allowed the Kawhi Leonard and Paul George moves. According to Bondy, the Clippers turned to Moe Harkless after Morris rejected them.
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/07/marcus-morris-turned-down-41-million-from-clippers-before-spurs-knicks-mess-firing-agent-rich-paul-report.html |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:28 am Post subject: |
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nzahir wrote: | Where tf did we get 4 2nds from?
2024 is our earliest 2nd we can trade I believe
So 2024 and 2026?
Also with all this KCP trade talk, remember that he has a NTC and this is all likely not realistic. Need a cheap wing who can defend unless Iggy is bought out
Jae trade maybe? THT, Cook, and Rondo? Add a 2nd possibly?
Last time I watched him in CLE he was awful at D, but he used to be above avg in Bos. Not sure about UTA if anyone knows |
I don't think KCP does have a NTC.
He is not on a one year deal nor does he have the seniority to get a negotiated NTC.
What he does have is a trade kicker and base year compensation issues that make him very hard to trade without him waving his trade kicker. Difficult but not impossible. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:10 am Post subject: |
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DeeAgeaux wrote: | nzahir wrote: | Where tf did we get 4 2nds from?
2024 is our earliest 2nd we can trade I believe
So 2024 and 2026?
Also with all this KCP trade talk, remember that he has a NTC and this is all likely not realistic. Need a cheap wing who can defend unless Iggy is bought out
Jae trade maybe? THT, Cook, and Rondo? Add a 2nd possibly?
Last time I watched him in CLE he was awful at D, but he used to be above avg in Bos. Not sure about UTA if anyone knows |
I don't think KCP does have a NTC.
He is not on a one year deal nor does he have the seniority to get a negotiated NTC.
What he does have is a trade kicker and base year compensation issues that make him very hard to trade without him waving his trade kicker. Difficult but not impossible. |
I wish it weren't so but KCP can veto any trade he's involved in because the 2nd year is a player option.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/kentavious-caldwell-pope-13321/ |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Man, was thinking, imagine if NO somehow took Ball (heard he's the one they really want), S&T Bullocks but cost more 1st rd picks, we get to keep Ingram and Kuz... big win but then Bullocks failed his physical |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:46 am Post subject: |
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About CP3...
There is one powerhouse team in the west that doesn't have a legit point guard.
They also have one player that can match CP3 contract on a final year that makes him attractive to OKC.
It's just a matter of if they think CP3 can make them go over the proverbial hump. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | About CP3...
There is one powerhouse team in the west that doesn't have a legit point guard.
They also have one player that can match CP3 contract on a final year that makes him attractive to OKC.
It's just a matter of if they think CP3 can make them go over the proverbial hump. |
And what team would that be? |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | kikanga wrote: | CP3's contract was the best thing anybody could get for WB? |
Well . . . if you throw in the draft picks, possibly so. The Westbrook contact is pretty bad, too. Whatever he may have done in the past, Westbrook wasn't all that great last year. Paul had a better RPM, and it wasn't all that close. Now, RPM does not capture the full impact of a guy who averages a triple double, nor does it capture Paul's age. But it also doesn't capture the fact that Westbrook is a knucklehead who is resistant to doing anything other than what he wants to do. If you were, say, the Pistons or the Magic, how much would you offer for Westbrook if you knew that he didn't want to play for you? |
I think WB could've been traded for something that OKC wanted to keep. Westbrook had a bad shooting season. But he still averaged a triple double and had a higher PER and win share than Paul. WB was wayy above average for a starter in alot of statistical categories. And played 15 and 17 more regular season games than Paul last year and the year before.
As things stand now. Presti is gonna need to use some of his draft picks to unload Paul, IF it's possible. Why trade for all those picks with George, just so you have to give some of them away to get rid of Paul? Should'nt have traded for something he wasn't gonna use. Really screwed over his bargaining power. |
PER and Win Shares are box score stats. If you generate a lot of box score stats, you will rank higher on PER and Win Shares. This is one of the reasons why you almost never hear anyone cite those stats these days. Westbrook had a .501 TS%, including .290 on threes and .656 on FTs. More importantly, it's Russell Freaking Westbrook. It's not like he's going to change his game as his athleticism starts to fade.
I don't know of anyone who would have wanted Westbrook on that huge contract. Presti may have gotten lucky when the Rockets were willing to take a shot. There might have been some small market franchises that would have been interested in having a big star like Westbrook to draw fans, but none of them would have messed with him if he didn't want to be there.
So yes, Paul plus draft picks may have been the best that Presti could do. Paul will not be easy to move, and I won't be surprised if he is in a Thunder uniform on opening night. If Paul doesn't like it, Presti can give him the option of taking a buyout with a massive cut. Paul won't do that, so Presti can just bide his time and wait for some other team to come looking for Paul. Until then, he has a star player to offer up to the fans. It's just not that bad of a situation for Presti. |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:02 am Post subject: |
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King Randle wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | About CP3...
There is one powerhouse team in the west that doesn't have a legit point guard.
They also have one player that can match CP3 contract on a final year that makes him attractive to OKC.
It's just a matter of if they think CP3 can make them go over the proverbial hump. |
And what team would that be? |
They have Milsap's expiring 30M.
They don't have a true point. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Hero Ball wrote: | King Randle wrote: | Hero Ball wrote: | About CP3...
There is one powerhouse team in the west that doesn't have a legit point guard.
They also have one player that can match CP3 contract on a final year that makes him attractive to OKC.
It's just a matter of if they think CP3 can make them go over the proverbial hump. |
And what team would that be? |
They have Milsap's expiring 30M.
They don't have a true point. |
Interesting. And they have Grant who is younger and cheaper.
OKC could buy out Millsap and the New York Power Forwards would most certainly be interested. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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adkindo wrote: | JUST-MING wrote: | The beauty of the Chris Paul albatross, the contract runs through 2022, the current CBA runs through 2024. Cheap OKC owner can’t even lobby for the amnesty clause to bail them out. |
I would be careful about calling other owners cheap....our owner has yet to be tested under the new CBA and luxury tax structure. Only a few have not avoided it like the plague. |
Yes, our management has set it up where paying luxury tax won’t be an option. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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