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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:55 am    Post subject:

If Kuz isn't some what consistent by the trade deadline, I could definitely see the Lakers shopping him...they won't just flip him for nothing....but if they can get a better fitting win right now person....like and Igoudala type player. I definitely see the Laker doing that.

I think it's clear the Lakers are right there, and one solid role player can make all the difference ...

Hopefully Kuz is able to come around, I think we all see that potential in him, but he has to show it in this changed set of circumstances
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject:

Why are people treating buyout options as if they were definitive?

There is a very good chance there will be zero wing defenders available after buyouts.

If you rely on buyouts, you also shoot yourself in the foot because the trade deadline will have already passed.

At that point you'd be stuck with guys who aren't in the league like Corey Brewer, Jonathan Simmons, or Luc Mbah a Moute.

Very risky in my opinion. The devil's in the details. The Lakers going on a Finals run without a wing defender would be sloppy as hell.

I don't wait on a buyout. I go get a guy now, and if another guy becomes available (like Iguodala), I get him too.

It's too risky to rely completely on the generosity of other teams releasing someone. The Lakers could be left with their pants down.

Trade Cook for Jackson ... then wait for a buyout like Iguodala or Ariza, but don't do nothing and hope for a magical player to appear out of thin air. That's ridiculous, and that is the common sentiment around LG -- "Just wait for buyout season."

I vehemently disagree.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:04 pm    Post subject:

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Why are people treating buyout options as if they were definitive?

There is a very good chance there will be zero wing defenders available after buyouts.

If you rely on buyouts, you also shoot yourself in the door because the trade deadline will have already passed.

At that point you'd be stuck with guys who aren't in the league like Corey Brewer, Jonathan Simmons, or Luc Mbah a Moute.

Very risky in my opinion. The devil's in the details. The Lakers going on a Finals run without a wing defender would be sloppy as hell.

I don't wait on a buyout. I go get a guy now, and if another guy becomes available (like Iguodala), I get him too.

It's too risky to rely completely on the generosity of other teams releasing someone. The Lakers could be left with their pants down.

Trade Cook for Jackson ... then wait for a buyout like Iguodala or Ariza, but don't do nothing and hope for a magical player to appear out of thin air. That's ridiculous, and that is the common sentiment around LG -- "Just wait for buyout season."

I vehemently disagree.


As do I. Plus we got another potential contender in the buyout buy-up market.

Shams Charania: The Portland Trail Blazers have applied for a disabled player exception worth $2.85M for the season-ending loss of Rodney Hood, sources tell @The Athletic @Stadium. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

Pels also have a 3.6m Dpe via Miller. I doubt they turn it around in time to be a major draw to buyout options, but that’s some serious cash right there. Portland on the other hand will certainly do their best to compete with our 1.75m dpe offer.

Also Htown has has roughly 2.1m of their MLE remaining and the entire 3.6m biannual exception.

So that will Be competition in the buyout market. We should kick the tires on potential upgrades right the (bleep) now.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

THT can defend wings. Let's ease him into the rotation now
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject:

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Highly doubt Kuz is traded. Or any trade is made. We're 22-3 If any move is made I think it's picking up a vet off a buy out if available. This roster is good enough to win it all this year if healthy


That's the problem. If healthy.

We are ballin' but make no mistake, if LBJ takes any days off we are in trouble. Would look to bolster our weaknesses even if we are killing it. Have to have an eye on the top teams like the Clips/Bucks and how we match up with them (and how we weather any injuries/games off for LBJ).


If an injury happens then they might look to make a trade but right now this team has immense chemistry I wouldn't mess with it. We haven't hit our full stride yet as a team. Once we do other teams will be scrambling to make moves to matchup with us.


It's about working while there is light. Yes, we have a top record but I would not rest on our laurels. We do have some major weak spots in the Lakers hull that need to be shored up, great record or not. If you can find a deal that does that, you do it.


No, we don't have MAJOR weak spots. If we did we would not be 22-3. Lebrons usage rate is not too much higher than in the past. Last year he got hurt not because of usage but because of Lukes terrible offense which had the team running like sprinters on every play. Don't mess with the chemistry of this team unless absolutely necessary or a great deal presents itself that can't be turned down.


Yes we do. It just hasn't been exposed in the crucible of the playoffs. I don't want to be (bleep) and assume that what we have is good enough. The needs are pretty elementary:

1. 3/D wing that is big enough to check PG/KL (KCP isn't it, and LBJ isn't going to guard either carrying his insane offensive load).

2. any kind of insurance if LBJ is out for any period of time. Who is that right now?

3. unless Cacok is going to be it, a backup PF who can at least step out and hit some 3s.

It is not glaring now, but teams will try that during the playoffs. I'm not talking about bolstering the team for the regular season; I'm looking deeper than that.


Those aren't major weak spots. Those are very minor.

Danny Green did a fantastic job on Kawhi and LBJ historically takes a fat dump on PG13 especially in the playoffs.

No team in the league has a player that can replace their best player superstar.

Once Kuz gets his rhythm back he will be our backup stretch 4

None of the top teams in the league are perfect and have the same amount of minor weak points. We're nit picking at this point because we haven't had a great team in almost a decade.


No. It's like saying a tiny hole in a dam isn't worth correcting, even if the dam is holding back millions of tons of water.

We have holes that can be filled that makes us even more monstrous. To rest on our hot start is not smart.

OK. Is Green guarding BOTH PG and KL?

Clips lost PG for first 10-12 games, and KL interspersed, they had the infrastructure to survive.

As you can see, I'm Clips-focused here. I think they are the one team in the NBA that can beat us in a playoff series. I would start making moves for that inevitable showdown instead of discovering this the hard way.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
Why are people treating buyout options as if they were definitive?

There is a very good chance there will be zero wing defenders available after buyouts.

If you rely on buyouts, you also shoot yourself in the foot because the trade deadline will have already passed.

At that point you'd be stuck with guys who aren't in the league like Corey Brewer, Jonathan Simmons, or Luc Mbah a Moute.

Very risky in my opinion. The devil's in the details. The Lakers going on a Finals run without a wing defender would be sloppy as hell.

I don't wait on a buyout. I go get a guy now, and if another guy becomes available (like Iguodala), I get him too.

It's too risky to rely completely on the generosity of other teams releasing someone. The Lakers could be left with their pants down.

Trade Cook for Jackson ... then wait for a buyout like Iguodala or Ariza, but don't do nothing and hope for a magical player to appear out of thin air. That's ridiculous, and that is the common sentiment around LG -- "Just wait for buyout season."

I vehemently disagree.


Yup. And other teams may have more $ to offer than our Boogie DPE (non-prorating 1.75m) or other reasons. People act as if the buyout market is exclusively all Lakers. Look at where buyout guys went last year. Random teams to be honest.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:25 pm    Post subject:

You know who would be a great buy out pick up candidate? Rudy Gay.. Spurs seem to be mailing it in, and the Spurs can do a favor to Gay by letting him join a title contender so he can get his chance at a ring.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:27 pm    Post subject:

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You know who would be a great buy out pick up candidate? Rudy Gay.. Spurs seem to be mailing it in, and the Spurs can do a favor to Gay by letting him join a title contender so he can get his chance at a ring.


Spurs never do that.

And Gay would get a decent return in a trade. He's a very useful player.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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You know who would be a great buy out pick up candidate? Rudy Gay.. Spurs seem to be mailing it in, and the Spurs can do a favor to Gay by letting him join a title contender so he can get his chance at a ring.


Pops would rather let Rudy play for a random Ethiopian team then allow him to end up on the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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You know who would be a great buy out pick up candidate? Rudy Gay.. Spurs seem to be mailing it in, and the Spurs can do a favor to Gay by letting him join a title contender so he can get his chance at a ring.


Spurs never do that.

And Gay would get a decent return in a trade. He's a very useful player.


Unfortunately you are likely right but a man can dream...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject:

I know it was discuss yesterday, but man Russell over Danny Green would have been nice. We had a 4yr/100m offer ready if Kawhi wasn’t such a B.

The closing line up could have been:

Davis
Bron
Random Filler Bozo
Caruso
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Damn you Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:53 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
I know it was discuss yesterday, but man Russell over Danny Green would have been nice. We had a 4yr/100m offer ready if Kawhi wasn’t such a B.

The closing line up could have been:

Davis
Bron
Random Filler Bozo
Caruso
DLO

Damn you Kawhi.


That’s not gonna get it done in the playoff.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:59 pm    Post subject:

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People act as if the buyout market is exclusively all Lakers. Look at where buyout guys went last year. Random teams to be honest.


Last year the buyouts probably preferred only money or minutes, as the Warriors were virtually crowned champions before the playoffs started.

We'd have very little chance of nabbing Tristan Thompson or a guard, but wings would consider us strongly. There's no role for them on the Clippers, Sixers, Bucks, or Celtics. Rockets maybe, but they already have a wing who can't get regular minutes, even with Eric Gordon out.

I'm all for limiting LeBron's responsibilities when playing the Clippers, but who is he guarding if not Kawhi/PG? Are we starting AD at the 5 in the playoffs and benching our Centers? He could guard PG, as George has been mostly used as a 3-point specialist when Kawhi is on the court.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
We had a 4yr/100m offer ready if Kawhi wasn’t such a B.


Russell isn't leaving $17M on the table.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:02 pm    Post subject:

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We had a 4yr/100m offer ready if Kawhi wasn’t such a B.


Russell isn't leaving $17M on the table.


Good point. I don’t think the Nets ever released him from his contract.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:02 pm    Post subject:

The dream is Dragic and either Marcus Morris or Iggy.

The dream is highly unlikely. Just get a competent playmaking PG and a legit wing defender.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject:

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The dream is Dragic and either Marcus Morris or Iggy.

The dream is highly unlikely. Just get a competent playmaking PG and a legit wing defender.


Yes, we a scoring, dribble penetrating point guard and a 3&D SF and we’re good to go.

Basically a poorman’s Kyrie and a richman’s Harrison Barnes. It’s just a dream though, because we have nothing to trade.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject:

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The dream is Dragic and either Marcus Morris or Iggy.

The dream is highly unlikely. Just get a competent playmaking PG and a legit wing defender.


Isn't that Rondo?

Def need Iggy.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject:

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The dream is Dragic and either Marcus Morris or Iggy.

The dream is highly unlikely. Just get a competent playmaking PG and a legit wing defender.


Isn't that Rondo?

Def need Iggy.


Rondo is a competent playmaking PG that can be exposed defensively. His main issue is availability. Not so sure we can bank on playoff Rondo being available and I don’t think we can afford to take the gamble. We need the insurance and depth behind Lebron imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:18 pm    Post subject:

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Joe Pesci wrote:
Why are people treating buyout options as if they were definitive?

There is a very good chance there will be zero wing defenders available after buyouts.

If you rely on buyouts, you also shoot yourself in the door because the trade deadline will have already passed.

At that point you'd be stuck with guys who aren't in the league like Corey Brewer, Jonathan Simmons, or Luc Mbah a Moute.

Very risky in my opinion. The devil's in the details. The Lakers going on a Finals run without a wing defender would be sloppy as hell.

I don't wait on a buyout. I go get a guy now, and if another guy becomes available (like Iguodala), I get him too.

It's too risky to rely completely on the generosity of other teams releasing someone. The Lakers could be left with their pants down.

Trade Cook for Jackson ... then wait for a buyout like Iguodala or Ariza, but don't do nothing and hope for a magical player to appear out of thin air. That's ridiculous, and that is the common sentiment around LG -- "Just wait for buyout season."

I vehemently disagree.


As do I. Plus we got another potential contender in the buyout buy-up market.

Shams Charania: The Portland Trail Blazers have applied for a disabled player exception worth $2.85M for the season-ending loss of Rodney Hood, sources tell @The Athletic @Stadium. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

Pels also have a 3.6m Dpe via Miller. I doubt they turn it around in time to be a major draw to buyout options, but that’s some serious cash right there. Portland on the other hand will certainly do their best to compete with our 1.75m dpe offer.

Also Htown has has roughly 2.1m of their MLE remaining and the entire 3.6m biannual exception.

So that will Be competition in the buyout market. We should kick the tires on potential upgrades right the (bleep) now.

Excellent points sir.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Every time I see Luka Doncic had another dominate performance, I curse the Atlanta Hawks for sending him to the West. We will have to deal with him for over a decade and the Mavs will probably be able to build a great team around him in the years to come.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:30 pm    Post subject:

Memphis saves money (2-4 million) in a Jackson for Cook trade.

Are there any other teams likely to offer "more" for a guy as stigmatized as Josh Jackson? Houston?


Y'all can talk negatively about a simple Cook for Jackson deal and espouse the dangers of negatively effecting team chemistry, but just understand the severe need on this team of a guy like Jackson and that many here, including myself mind you, was saying the very same things about Dwight Howard.

Point is: Calculated risks are necessary in life ... building this team is no different.

I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me why losing Cook would be so detrimental to this team's morale.

Somebody has to be cut or traded, even if it is for a young, unproven, upstart with a checkered past. This team can withstand the shadow of Josh Jackson. I promise you that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Pesci, you have to take into account the human element of this.

AD was involved in getting Cook here. It’s similar to Rondo and AD wanting Cousins here.

Not opposed to Jackson, just think they wouldn’t trade Cook for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:35 pm    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
Memphis saves money (2-4 million) in a Jackson for Cook trade.

Are there any other teams likely to offer "more" for a guy as stigmatized as Josh Jackson? Houston?


Y'all can talk negatively about a simple Cook for Jackson deal and espouse the dangers of negatively effecting team chemistry, but just understand the severe need on this team of a guy like Jackson and that many here, including myself mind you, was saying the very same things about Dwight Howard.

Point is: Calculated risks are necessary in life ... building this team is no different.

I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me why losing Cook would be so detrimental to this team's morale.

Somebody has to be cut or traded, even if it is for a young, unproven, upstart with a checkered past. This team can withstand the shadow of Josh Jackson. I promise you that.


Memphis has too many PGs. They aren’t doing that for Cook even if we ask really nicely.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:36 pm    Post subject:

it's the g league though - can't really be too excited about what josh is doing there
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