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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:49 am    Post subject:

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Firstly Zion is a beast, he's a little bit of, LBJ + Sean Kemp + Larry Johnson + Isaiah Rider all rolled into one and you could probably add some more players in their as well.

I believe BI has played his trade value up and it will make the most since for the Lakers to deal him during the 2019 NBA Draft. He's not a superstar by no means, but on an EC Team, he could be legit. Their may not be any real game-changers from 4-7, so maybe the Lakers can get in that spot with a trade of BI.

Both Memphis and Chicago have something to offer in return, while I'm not so sure, Atlanta would be willing to give up anything that high up and have no players on their roster.

The key should be acquiring a solid role-player or potential all-star in return for BI. If you think the Lakers don't have a chance to make the final at least one year with a LeBron James teams, then IDK what to say. IT WILL HAPPEN!

Moving Ingram gives Kuz more of a chance to flourish, however you could package BI with Zo or Hart and maybe get something even better.

With a sub-par season the Lakers are expected to make major drastic changes in during the Draft and Free-Agency, anything less is unacceptable.

Tralde the guy who just had a blood clot removed and may never play basketball again? Good luck with that heavily protected future 2nd round pick.
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Here's a thread on why I'm out on Bol https://twitter.com/HoopInDetail/status/1099460817106288640 , 10+ tweets/clips

It's a great thread that I still need to finish, but after looking at the first 5-6 tweets, why couldn't Bol just raise his release point over time?


He could; although I think this is a pocket he’s really comfortable with and shows great touch w — raising the pocket will also effect the stroke..he probably needs to raise the release too, which doesn’t always happen when you raise the pocket..

But I also think the slowness of the shot is a big issue.. he really moves at that pace in general..

I think the slowness will be less of an issue if he can raise his pocket and release point. But you've identified the bigger issue for Bol, imo, which is his shot pocket more than his defense.


A lot of people are down on his defense. I haven’t really watched it. But the clips of his movement/dribble game...very concerning for me. Feel like standard pick n pop guy is his likely offensive outcome..
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Here's a thread on why I'm out on Bol https://twitter.com/HoopInDetail/status/1099460817106288640 , 10+ tweets/clips

It's a great thread that I still need to finish, but after looking at the first 5-6 tweets, why couldn't Bol just raise his release point over time?


He could; although I think this is a pocket he’s really comfortable with and shows great touch w — raising the pocket will also effect the stroke..he probably needs to raise the release too, which doesn’t always happen when you raise the pocket..

But I also think the slowness of the shot is a big issue.. he really moves at that pace in general..

I think the slowness will be less of an issue if he can raise his pocket and release point. But you've identified the bigger issue for Bol, imo, which is his shot pocket more than his defense.


A lot of people are down on his defense. I haven’t really watched it. But the clips of his movement/dribble game...very concerning for me. Feel like standard pick n pop guy is his likely offensive outcome..

I disagree and I think he'll be a pull-up jump shooter eventually. I'm not saying he'll be a 7'3 Kevin Durant, but I'd run a 3-5 high PnR for him and let him splash 25-footers off the bounce. He's going to need a creative FO/coach to really maximize his tools and potential, so I'm rooting for Atlanta to take a chance on him.

We shall see.
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Firstly Zion is a beast, he's a little bit of, LBJ + Sean Kemp + Larry Johnson + Isaiah Rider all rolled into one and you could probably add some more players in their as well.

I believe BI has played his trade value up and it will make the most since for the Lakers to deal him during the 2019 NBA Draft. He's not a superstar by no means, but on an EC Team, he could be legit. Their may not be any real game-changers from 4-7, so maybe the Lakers can get in that spot with a trade of BI.

Both Memphis and Chicago have something to offer in return, while I'm not so sure, Atlanta would be willing to give up anything that high up and have no players on their roster.

The key should be acquiring a solid role-player or potential all-star in return for BI. If you think the Lakers don't have a chance to make the final at least one year with a LeBron James teams, then IDK what to say. IT WILL HAPPEN!

Moving Ingram gives Kuz more of a chance to flourish, however you could package BI with Zo or Hart and maybe get something even better.

With a sub-par season the Lakers are expected to make major drastic changes in during the Draft and Free-Agency, anything less is unacceptable.

Tralde the guy who just had a blood clot removed and may never play basketball again? Good luck with that heavily protected future 2nd round pick.

Of course, the Lakers will face a salary crunch if they move up in the draft due to the rookie salary scale of the top 4-5 picks being between $5-8M. If it's Zion, he's worth taking and then opening up salary if a max free agent wants to sign in July, but if the pick lands between #2-#4, I'd trade back to #6-8 and add a future pick or two. Atlanta would be the obvious team to target.
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Firstly Zion is a beast, he's a little bit of, LBJ + Sean Kemp + Larry Johnson + Isaiah Rider all rolled into one and you could probably add some more players in their as well.

I believe BI has played his trade value up and it will make the most since for the Lakers to deal him during the 2019 NBA Draft. He's not a superstar by no means, but on an EC Team, he could be legit. Their may not be any real game-changers from 4-7, so maybe the Lakers can get in that spot with a trade of BI.

Both Memphis and Chicago have something to offer in return, while I'm not so sure, Atlanta would be willing to give up anything that high up and have no players on their roster.

The key should be acquiring a solid role-player or potential all-star in return for BI. If you think the Lakers don't have a chance to make the final at least one year with a LeBron James teams, then IDK what to say. IT WILL HAPPEN!

Moving Ingram gives Kuz more of a chance to flourish, however you could package BI with Zo or Hart and maybe get something even better.

With a sub-par season the Lakers are expected to make major drastic changes in during the Draft and Free-Agency, anything less is unacceptable.

Tralde the guy who just had a blood clot removed and may never play basketball again? Good luck with that heavily protected future 2nd round pick.

Of course, the Lakers will face a salary crunch if they move up in the draft due to the rookie salary scale of the top 4-5 picks being between $5-8M. If it's Zion, he's worth taking and then opening up salary if a max free agent wants to sign in July, but if the pick lands between #2-#4, I'd trade back to #6-8 and add a future pick or two. Atlanta would be the obvious team to target.


Yeah, no team will be trading for BI now. Which I am personally am happy about. The unfortunate circumstance is saving the Lakers from themselves.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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lakurluv wrote:
Firstly Zion is a beast, he's a little bit of, LBJ + Sean Kemp + Larry Johnson + Isaiah Rider all rolled into one and you could probably add some more players in their as well.

I believe BI has played his trade value up and it will make the most since for the Lakers to deal him during the 2019 NBA Draft. He's not a superstar by no means, but on an EC Team, he could be legit. Their may not be any real game-changers from 4-7, so maybe the Lakers can get in that spot with a trade of BI.

Both Memphis and Chicago have something to offer in return, while I'm not so sure, Atlanta would be willing to give up anything that high up and have no players on their roster.

The key should be acquiring a solid role-player or potential all-star in return for BI. If you think the Lakers don't have a chance to make the final at least one year with a LeBron James teams, then IDK what to say. IT WILL HAPPEN!

Moving Ingram gives Kuz more of a chance to flourish, however you could package BI with Zo or Hart and maybe get something even better.

With a sub-par season the Lakers are expected to make major drastic changes in during the Draft and Free-Agency, anything less is unacceptable.

Tralde the guy who just had a blood clot removed and may never play basketball again? Good luck with that heavily protected future 2nd round pick.

Of course, the Lakers will face a salary crunch if they move up in the draft due to the rookie salary scale of the top 4-5 picks being between $5-8M. If it's Zion, he's worth taking and then opening up salary if a max free agent wants to sign in July, but if the pick lands between #2-#4, I'd trade back to #6-8 and add a future pick or two. Atlanta would be the obvious team to target.


Yeah, no team will be trading for BI now. Which I am personally am happy about. The unfortunate circumstance is saving the Lakers from themselves.

Yep along with "injury prone" label on zo is alos a blessing in disguise
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^ If the Lakers somehow luck out and move up to #1, since Zo and BI's trade value will be lower, I wonder what kind of draft asset(s) a package of Kuz, Moe, and Bonga could return. That should be enough outgoing salary to re-open a 30% max slot.
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Zion

Barrett
Culver

Bol
Porter
Morant

Clarke
Hunter
Garland
Hayes
Williams

I hate having so many bigs/non-initiators in my top 10, but it looks like that kind of draft year. This will obviously change a bit, but my list is starting to solidify behind Zion.

Zion

Culver
Morant

Porter
Bol
Garland

Clarke
Williams
Barrett
Hayes
Hunter
Thybulle
Reddish
NAW
Jerome
White
T. Jones

I need to make up my mind:

Zion

Culver
Porter

Bol
Morant
Garland

Barrett
Clarke
G. Williams
Hayes
Horton-Tucker
Hunter
Thybulle
NAW
Reddish
Jerome
C. White
T. Jones
P.J. Washington
Langford
Roby
Herro
KPJ
Dort
Okpala
Little
K. Johnson
Gafford
Fernando
Okeke

Just missed the cut: Hachimura, Matthews, Ponds, Reaves, Cam Johnson

Need to see more of: all the Euros, Naz Reid, Bazley

Guys who I think will stay who could be 1st round picks: Tillie, Queeta, Nesmith, Claxton, Teske, Iggy
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:26 am    Post subject:

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I'm a draft for need guy -- always have been.

The Lakers need the most dynamic wing of combo guard ... who can shoot well.

They MUST be a shooter. If they can do other things well, cool, but they need a talented guy who can shoot.

I was all for trading down, but after thinking about it deeply, they should probably stay put and draft the best wing (preferably a PG/SG) who has a pedigree of shooting.

These guys fit the profile:
-- Coby White
-- Ty Jerome
-- Tyler Herro

I'd also consider trading Kuzma and/or Hart with the pick to draft Darius Garland, but that's pie in the sky.

I'll be watching Coby White, Ty Jerome, and Tyler Herro very closely. Right now, White gets the nod, but Jerome is more my kind of player. Jerome is just not as dynamic as White, and with the prospect of losing Ingram to injury, I'd go with White over Jerome because of his potential as not only a shooter but a scorer as well.

Herro, I've seen less of, but I like his moxy. He's got more upside than Jerome as well, but Jerome as more intangibles.

Coby White is the pick for me right now.

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Zion returns: 13-13 FG's (29 points), with 14 boards and 5 steals....


not to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it was a great performance, but could see some that still have doubts about Zion in the NBA using this game as exhibit A. I think he only took one shot beyond 3 feet, and was 2 of 9 from the free throw line. He used superior strength and size to dominate the game....two advantages that will shrink in the NBA.

FWIW, I thought he was awesome, but I have seen him play other games this season where he displayed more all around talent/skill.


He's going to be significantly stronger and bigger than 99% of NBA players from day one. This isn't a case of a man amongst boys, Zion is going to be a man amongst men. More LSU Shaq than Arizona Derrick Williams. I think it's becoming understated how physically dominant he is. His efficiency is insane and he lives in the paint because of that strength--nobody can bump him off balance and he just powers thru any contest. Think of how Giannis is an unstoppable force down low when he gets even a crack of space. Sure there will be some natural dropoff against higher level competition but IMO his physical gifts will translate and make him very effective immediately.
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Joe Pesci wrote:
I'm a draft for need guy -- always have been.

The Lakers need the most dynamic wing of combo guard ... who can shoot well.

They MUST be a shooter. If they can do other things well, cool, but they need a talented guy who can shoot.

I was all for trading down, but after thinking about it deeply, they should probably stay put and draft the best wing (preferably a PG/SG) who has a pedigree of shooting.

These guys fit the profile:
-- Coby White
-- Ty Jerome
-- Tyler Herro

I'd also consider trading Kuzma and/or Hart with the pick to draft Darius Garland, but that's pie in the sky.

I'll be watching Coby White, Ty Jerome, and Tyler Herro very closely. Right now, White gets the nod, but Jerome is more my kind of player. Jerome is just not as dynamic as White, and with the prospect of losing Ingram to injury, I'd go with White over Jerome because of his potential as not only a shooter but a scorer as well.

Herro, I've seen less of, but I like his moxy. He's got more upside than Jerome as well, but Jerome as more intangibles.

Coby White is the pick for me right now.

Check out Nickeil Alexander-Walker

or svi mi....crap, nvm.
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I believe in drafting based on need, but truth is, there are ALWAYS exceptions.

You can't be dogmatic either way.

For the record, right or wrong, last year I would have traded the first round pick for a future protected first, and I would have taken a hybrid, defensive forward with the Bonga pick and a shooter with the Mykhailiuk pick ... so, yes, I thought the Svi pick was well done.


Pretty sure since 2000 every draft for need pick didn't work.

The riskier ones did.
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adkindo wrote:
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Zion returns: 13-13 FG's (29 points), with 14 boards and 5 steals....


not to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it was a great performance, but could see some that still have doubts about Zion in the NBA using this game as exhibit A. I think he only took one shot beyond 3 feet, and was 2 of 9 from the free throw line. He used superior strength and size to dominate the game....two advantages that will shrink in the NBA.

FWIW, I thought he was awesome, but I have seen him play other games this season where he displayed more all around talent/skill.


He's going to be significantly stronger and bigger than 99% of NBA players from day one. This isn't a case of a man amongst boys, Zion is going to be a man amongst men. More LSU Shaq than Arizona Derrick Williams. I think it's becoming understated how physically dominant he is. His efficiency is insane and he lives in the paint because of that strength--nobody can bump him off balance and he just powers thru any contest. Think of how Giannis is an unstoppable force down low when he gets even a crack of space. Sure there will be some natural dropoff against higher level competition but IMO his physical gifts will translate and make him very effective immediately.

And Zion's body control in the air is incredible and he has natural touch so even if he does take contact, he's going to finish through it more often than not. He has that rare Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, TMac ability to contort and hang in midair, but is doing so at 285 pounds.

Which is insane.
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I'm a draft for need guy -- always have been.

The Lakers need the most dynamic wing of combo guard ... who can shoot well.

They MUST be a shooter. If they can do other things well, cool, but they need a talented guy who can shoot.

I was all for trading down, but after thinking about it deeply, they should probably stay put and draft the best wing (preferably a PG/SG) who has a pedigree of shooting.

These guys fit the profile:
-- Coby White
-- Ty Jerome
-- Tyler Herro

I'd also consider trading Kuzma and/or Hart with the pick to draft Darius Garland, but that's pie in the sky.

I'll be watching Coby White, Ty Jerome, and Tyler Herro very closely. Right now, White gets the nod, but Jerome is more my kind of player. Jerome is just not as dynamic as White, and with the prospect of losing Ingram to injury, I'd go with White over Jerome because of his potential as not only a shooter but a scorer as well.

Herro, I've seen less of, but I like his moxy. He's got more upside than Jerome as well, but Jerome as more intangibles.

Coby White is the pick for me right now.

Check out Nickeil Alexander-Walker

I know him well, Baron. He was actually the firest na me on my ltitle list b u t I erased it because you and I both know he will more than likely be off the board at 12.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:18 am    Post subject:

Only 1 team out of 30 will be getting Zion, and it won’t be us. You can find my comments later on and shove it in my face if I’m wrong.

I can see him on the Knicks or the Cavs, by hook or by crook. I doubt he goes to the Suns or Hawks, but who knows. I just know our chances are lower than low.
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I believe in drafting based on need, but truth is, there are ALWAYS exceptions.

You can't be dogmatic either way.

For the record, right or wrong, last year I would have traded the first round pick for a future protected first, and I would have taken a hybrid, defensive forward with the Bonga pick and a shooter with the Mykhailiuk pick ... so, yes, I thought the Svi pick was well done.


Pretty sure since 2000 every draft for need pick didn't work.

The riskier ones did.

How do you quantify when a team has drafted for need though? It's very subjective.

To me, the Hawks drafted for need when they took Young, knowing that they were actively trying to trade Schroder.

To me, the outside shooting deprived Sixers drafted for need last year when they took Shamet.

Historically, even they they were compensated for it, the Magic drafted for need over BPA when they chose to ride with Penny Hardaway as a sidekick to Shaq instead of pairing him with Chris Webber, who, at the time, was pretty much a 6'9 version of Shaq -- a bad fit

I thought the Wiz were defjnitely looking for shooting from their backcourt when they drafted Beal to pair with Wall.

Not trying to argue, to each his own, but, other than the obvious one's where David Kahn drafts two point guards or Hinkie takes three centers in three straight drafts, it's very hard to determine whether or not a team DID NOT draft for need. -- too subjective my friend.
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It’s funny that year after year all the national draft analysts have the same 8-10 players on the top their lists. Many of these teams also have the very same list and they strike out 80 percent of the time. Then the draft comes and they try to spin all these kids as the next big thing. NY fans cheer all the big names, get quiet about people they never heard of, boo any Knicks pick, and the camera always pans to the 2 people who happen to wear a non-Knicks Jersey when their team selects their pick.

Credit to all the teams that select correctly and are able to develop their young talent. Most teams are terrible at this and are basically playing carnival games in the hopes that they’ll get a big prize.
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adkindo wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Zion returns: 13-13 FG's (29 points), with 14 boards and 5 steals....


not to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it was a great performance, but could see some that still have doubts about Zion in the NBA using this game as exhibit A. I think he only took one shot beyond 3 feet, and was 2 of 9 from the free throw line. He used superior strength and size to dominate the game....two advantages that will shrink in the NBA.

FWIW, I thought he was awesome, but I have seen him play other games this season where he displayed more all around talent/skill.


He's going to be significantly stronger and bigger than 99% of NBA players from day one. This isn't a case of a man amongst boys, Zion is going to be a man amongst men. More LSU Shaq than Arizona Derrick Williams. I think it's becoming understated how physically dominant he is. His efficiency is insane and he lives in the paint because of that strength--nobody can bump him off balance and he just powers thru any contest. Think of how Giannis is an unstoppable force down low when he gets even a crack of space. Sure there will be some natural dropoff against higher level competition but IMO his physical gifts will translate and make him very effective immediately.

And Zion's body control in the air is incredible and he has natural touch so even if he does take contact, he's going to finish through it more often than not. He has that rare Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, TMac ability to contort and hang in midair, but is doing so at 285 pounds.

Which is insane.


Right, many times he doesn't even bother to pump fake because it doesn't even matter if there's a defender in his space. He can just go straight up because he's stronger and more explosive than everyone in the country.
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It’s funny that year after year all the national draft analysts have the same 8-10 players on the top their lists. Many of these teams also have the very same list and they strike out 80 percent of the time. Then the draft comes and they try to spin all these kids as the next big thing. NY fans cheer all the big names, get quiet about people they never heard of, boo any Knicks pick, and the camera always pans to the 2 people who happen to wear a non-Knicks Jersey when their team selects their pick.

Credit to all the teams that select correctly and are able to develop their young talent. Most teams are terrible at this and are basically playing carnival games in the hopes that they’ll get a big prize.


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It’s funny that year after year all the national draft analysts have the same 8-10 players on the top their lists. Many of these teams also have the very same list and they strike out 80 percent of the time. Then the draft comes and they try to spin all these kids as the next big thing. NY fans cheer all the big names, get quiet about people they never heard of, boo any Knicks pick, and the camera always pans to the 2 people who happen to wear a non-Knicks Jersey when their team selects their pick.

Credit to all the teams that select correctly and are able to develop their young talent. Most teams are terrible at this and are basically playing carnival games in the hopes that they’ll get a big prize.

It's almost like being great at basketball at the highest level is difficult and uncommon.
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^ If the Lakers somehow luck out and move up to #1, since Zo and BI's trade value will be lower, I wonder what kind of draft asset(s) a package of Kuz, Moe, and Bonga could return. That should be enough outgoing salary to re-open a 30% max slot.

we get zion wed be dumb to trade him to satisfy a declining lebron. Core of Zo/BI/bron/zion sprinkle some quality pieces (not one year rental) the team will be much better off
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:27 pm    Post subject:

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Will brandon Clarke production translate in the NBA?

I'm hard pressed to think his defensive impact won't translate and he'll always be a lob threat barring injury. If his shot develops that will unlock his other offensive skills as a driver, passer, and midrange floater maker. His cutting/driving/midrange game is actually somewhat Kuzma-esque in a much, much more athletic package - he doesn't and probably will never have the jumper off motion, but just being a standstill threat could open up the possibility of him becoming a good 18ppg scorer on top of the defensive impact.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Will brandon Clarke production translate in the NBA?

I'm hard pressed to think his defensive impact won't translate and he'll always be a lob threat barring injury. If his shot develops that will unlock his other offensive skills as a driver, passer, and midrange floater maker. His cutting/driving/midrange game is actually somewhat Kuzma-esque in a much, much more athletic package - he doesn't and probably will never have the jumper off motion, but just being a standstill threat could open up the possibility of him becoming a good 18ppg scorer on top of the defensive impact.


It's easier for me to think of his real upside as a PF Marion as opposed to Jordan Bell.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
^ If the Lakers somehow luck out and move up to #1, since Zo and BI's trade value will be lower, I wonder what kind of draft asset(s) a package of Kuz, Moe, and Bonga could return. That should be enough outgoing salary to re-open a 30% max slot.

we get zion wed be dumb to trade him to satisfy a declining lebron. Core of Zo/BI/bron/zion sprinkle some quality pieces (not one year rental) the team will be much better off

Agreed, but Kuz gets pretty marginalized in the short- and medium-term with Zion on the team. Better for the Lakers if they can keep Kuzma on a discount, but would you keep him if it cost the team Kyrie or Kawhi?
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