Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:18 am Post subject:
Hero Ball wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
matigol wrote:
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
You'd be telling on yourself, but go right ahead with your one game sample size.
About 80% of the mock drafts have him inside the top 10.
Who's dumb now?
This argument I find funny, because it assumes that the people doing the mocks put in the work and make great evaluations, instead of interviewing NCAA guys and getting their opinions on players.
Dion Waiters is really the next Dwyane Wade. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:18 am Post subject:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Yeah if we are going to trade the core it should be for the number one pick, not for AD.
At least there is more hope you have a championship leader in Zion.
AD hasn't moved the bar in seven years.
I have no issue if someone would prefer Zion over AD based on age, contract, etc....but Zion will not be remotely close to what AD is during the Lebron contract. If we are talking just basic math and odds.....it is unlikely Zion is ever as good as AD is right now.
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
He legit played like a PF in a SF body.
What part of his game showed ball handling and shooting instead of just finishing?
Is there something wrong with his shooting mechanics?
He's not a point guard type player who you trust to handle and distribute the ball.
His HS days showed me enough about his handles. _________________ Trade AD now.
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
You'd be telling on yourself, but go right ahead with your one game sample size.
About 80% of the mock drafts have him inside the top 10.
Who's dumb now?
About 80% of the mock drafts.
Mock drafts with Little currently mocked in the top 10:
CBS (#7)
SI (#9)
SBNation (#9)
Mock drafts with Little currently mocked outside the top 10:
Tankathon (#15)
ESPN DX (#16)
BR (#31)
The Stepien (#25) _________________ Under New Management
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
You'd be telling on yourself, but go right ahead with your one game sample size.
About 80% of the mock drafts have him inside the top 10.
Who's dumb now?
This argument I find funny, because it assumes that the people doing the mocks put in the work and make great evaluations, instead of interviewing NCAA guys and getting their opinions on players.
Dion Waiters is really the next Dwyane Wade.
So that makes the Mocks wrong?
Who made you right? _________________ Trade AD now.
Yeah if we are going to trade the core it should be for the number one pick, not for AD.
At least there is more hope you have a championship leader in Zion.
AD hasn't moved the bar in seven years.
I have no issue if someone would prefer Zion over AD based on age, contract, etc....but Zion will not be remotely close to what AD is during the Lebron contract. If we are talking just basic math and odds.....it is unlikely Zion is ever as good as AD is right now.
Define "remotely close." Like you don't think Zion will be capable of posting 25/10/4 on a .590 TS% by year three (Lebron's last contract year)? I certainly think he's capable of it.
Now in years 1-2 certainly AD should be better and more productive. The growing pains for Zion during his first contract will come as a primary initiator because all initiators need time to adjust against NBA competition and Zion will be doing so in a unique position without extensive experience at it in college. But once he gets comfortable as a de facto lead guatd, I expect he'll catch and surpass AD pretty quickly unless Davis starts running PnRs here as he enters his prime. _________________ Under New Management
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
You'd be telling on yourself, but go right ahead with your one game sample size.
About 80% of the mock drafts have him inside the top 10.
Who's dumb now?
This argument I find funny, because it assumes that the people doing the mocks put in the work and make great evaluations, instead of interviewing NCAA guys and getting their opinions on players.
Dion Waiters is really the next Dwyane Wade.
So that makes the Mocks wrong?
Who made you right?
Switch it around, see what you get. _________________ Under New Management
We don't win the lottery and Zion doesn't slip to the 10th spot
Who do You guys think that we draft at #10?
White
Nassir
Keldon
Hunter
Those are my favorites at 10 and I think it's realistic
If Coby White is available, I'd pick him in a heartbeat
Bol Bol (depending on the health of his feet)
Brandon Clarke
De'Andre Hunter
Coby White
Jontay Porter
Grant Williams
NAW
Nassir Little is a truly dumb basketball player and I hope the Lakers avoid him altogether. Keldon Johnson seems like a fungible backup shooter type who can be found anywhere in any draft. Svi might have been a better prospect than Johnson.
20 pts. 7 rebs. 8/11 FG, 3/3 FT in 21 mins vs Was.
I'll take that dumb mofo at 10.
He legit played like a PF in a SF body.
What part of his game showed ball handling and shooting instead of just finishing?
What do you think of a Marvin Williams comp for Nassir? _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:32 am Post subject:
Hero Ball wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Yes there is something wrong with his shooting mechanics.
His HS handles aren't enough considering his position is supposed to be 3/2 not 4/3.
Every player is expected to shoot and pass. It's the new NBA. The more guys that do it,the better.
So his FT performance isn't an in indicator...
Same goes for Thybulle and he's a borderline 90% FT shooter.
Did you miss the 7' brick off the backboard yesterday?
Basically I don't understand your optimism for his upside when the skill set is has proven to be limited. He has motor. Great. There are other guys with motor and athleticism too. That's why mock drafts across the board has him Top 5 and dropping since. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Yeah if we are going to trade the core it should be for the number one pick, not for AD.
At least there is more hope you have a championship leader in Zion.
AD hasn't moved the bar in seven years.
I have no issue if someone would prefer Zion over AD based on age, contract, etc....but Zion will not be remotely close to what AD is during the Lebron contract. If we are talking just basic math and odds.....it is unlikely Zion is ever as good as AD is right now.
Define "remotely close." Like you don't think Zion will be capable of posting 25/10/4 on a .590 TS% by year three (Lebron's last contract year)? I certainly think he's capable of it.
Now in years 1-2 certainly AD should be better and more productive. The growing pains for Zion during his first contract will come as a primary initiator because all initiators need time to adjust against NBA competition and Zion will be doing so in a unique position without extensive experience at it in college. But once he gets comfortable as a de facto lead guatd, I expect he'll catch and surpass AD pretty quickly unless Davis starts running PnRs here as he enters his prime.
As most know I'm in favor of the plan to sign an FA and keep the core... but if you traded for Zion... you could still sign AD next season and build around AD and Zion after 2020.
Trading for AD is just terrible... I'm only considering trading for Zion as the lesser of evils and after his performances, I don't think our core gets it done with Ingram's injury situation anyway.
But yeah... gun to my head, I'd trade for Zion over AD because of cost and having more flexibility to rebuild.
Yeah if we are going to trade the core it should be for the number one pick, not for AD.
At least there is more hope you have a championship leader in Zion.
AD hasn't moved the bar in seven years.
I have no issue if someone would prefer Zion over AD based on age, contract, etc....but Zion will not be remotely close to what AD is during the Lebron contract. If we are talking just basic math and odds.....it is unlikely Zion is ever as good as AD is right now.
Since you mentioned it, there’s probably no chance Zion will even be as good as Lebron is in his declining years. And if you leave it up to our player development, Zion as a Laker could turn into something ugly
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:46 am Post subject:
Quote:
What do you think of a Marvin Williams comp for Nassir?
I did think about this, but I also think Marvin had more size so it made it easier to lean into a 3/4 projection with Marvin.
Nassir doesn't have that size. Every time I watch him, he only looks effective with offensive rebounds and open looks in the paint. PF skill in SF/SG bodies just don't work anymore.
FWIW, I completely blew that draft, but man that had me learning about skill sets more than athleticism, when drafts back then were more athleticism reliant.
This is the stuff of red flags:
Apparently the stepien deleted the evaluation.
Quote:
Weaknesses: Only shot 28.6% from three over the adidas Gauntlet but has improved his outside shooting over the past year … Still has room to expand his half court offensive game and still trying to find consistent ways to score … Ballhandling can improve ... Doesn’t break down the defense or create much off the dribble … Doesn’t score much from midrange, most of his points come from threes or strong takes at the rim … Has room to cut down on turnovers, averaged 2.6 per game over the adidas Gauntlet … Should look to improve upon passing ability ... Spaces the floor well but can be more active off the ball …
IF someone relied on his workouts, measurements, and tournament coverage, then fine, I get that.
But it looks REALLY bad when a lottery prospect drops and it's not due to injury, but because they can't imitate the same skill level that warranted that ranking against consistently tougher competition.
Basically he's the Demar DeRozan of this draft. DDR didn't have much handle, doesn't have Nassir's length, but even then I saw the rare occasional 15' J and finishing ability.
Nassir has to be a workout warrior to warrant a lottery pick. Right now, he's getting by on pure motor and looks like he needs years to develop his skill set. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Yeah if we are going to trade the core it should be for the number one pick, not for AD.
At least there is more hope you have a championship leader in Zion.
AD hasn't moved the bar in seven years.
I have no issue if someone would prefer Zion over AD based on age, contract, etc....but Zion will not be remotely close to what AD is during the Lebron contract. If we are talking just basic math and odds.....it is unlikely Zion is ever as good as AD is right now.
Since you mentioned it, there’s probably no chance Zion will even be as good as Lebron is in his declining years. And if you leave it up to our player development, Zion as a Laker could turn into something ugly
Mark Madsen would have to take a crowbar to Zion's kneecaps for the Lakers player development coaches to keep him from being a superstar. _________________ Under New Management
I also think any lotto pick will be traded this yearfor a ready player to help LeBron on our new time schedule. As we throw away all of our assets to appease him.....look for our latest asset to be gone rather quickly for an established player.....i.e. Beal or someone of that ilk. If it's #1 of course Zion for AD in Magic's mind.
Why not just get Kemba and keep the pick again?
If you can get Kemba and then trade for Beal.....Magic will pull that trigger.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:53 am Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
I also think any lotto pick will be traded this yearfor a ready player to help LeBron on our new time schedule. As we throw away all of our assets to appease him.....look for our latest asset to be gone rather quickly for an established player.....i.e. Beal or someone of that ilk. If it's #1 of course Zion for AD in Magic's mind.
Why not just get Kemba and keep the pick again?
If you can get Kemba and then trade for Beal.....Magic will pull that trigger.
Why are we trading for Beal if the Lakers have Kemba already? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
What do you think of a Marvin Williams comp for Nassir?
I did think about this, but I also think Marvin had more size so it made it easier to lean into a 3/4 projection with Marvin.
Nassir doesn't have that size. Every time I watch him, he only looks effective with offensive rebounds and open looks in the paint. PF skill in SF/SG bodies just don't work anymore.
FWIW, I completely blew that draft, but man that had me learning about skill sets more than athleticism, when drafts back then were more athleticism reliant.
This is the stuff of red flags:
Apparently the stepien deleted the evaluation.
Quote:
Weaknesses: Only shot 28.6% from three over the adidas Gauntlet but has improved his outside shooting over the past year … Still has room to expand his half court offensive game and still trying to find consistent ways to score … Ballhandling can improve ... Doesn’t break down the defense or create much off the dribble … Doesn’t score much from midrange, most of his points come from threes or strong takes at the rim … Has room to cut down on turnovers, averaged 2.6 per game over the adidas Gauntlet … Should look to improve upon passing ability ... Spaces the floor well but can be more active off the ball …
IF someone relied on his workouts, measurements, and tournament coverage, then fine, I get that.
But it looks REALLY bad when a lottery prospect drops and it's not due to injury, but because they can't imitate the same skill level that warranted that ranking against consistently tougher competition.
Basically he's the Demar DeRozan of this draft. DDR didn't have much handle, doesn't have Nassir's length, but even then I saw the rare occasional 15' J and finishing ability.
Nassir has to be a workout warrior to warrant a lottery pick. Right now, he's getting by on pure motor and looks like he needs years to develop his skill set.
I kind of like the DDR rawness comp for Little, and both guys looked like they should be good defenders when they very much weren't/aren't. And as I always say with DDR comps, his NBA development is a total outlier not an expected outcome.
Jaylen Brown's another Little comp for me, but Brown at least had an insane FTr/FTAs per 100 to get excited about whereas Little is just okay-ish at getting to the line in a much faster, better organized/spaced offense.
He's definitely a second contract guy and I don't know that his second cobtract upside will even be that great. What a disappointment the freshman class wings have been. _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:01 am Post subject:
Mike Schmitz did the scouting report on Nassir Little and even accounted for his plus play in tournament play.
Once you get to the weaknesses part, it's rough.
Feel for the game.
Handle.
Shot.
May be considered a small ball 4.
It's a world of difference if Clarke is considered a small ball 4, doesn't have Little's wingspan, yet actually has feel, handle, and can actually pass. Motor? The same.
Clarke may be an older prospect, so he already had his first leap as a player. But sadly enough, I would trust his newly changed mechanics this year over Little's this year, because it looks like he pulls back more on his shot when he didn't have to, and it only made things worse. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Mike Schmitz did the scouting report on Nassir Little and even accounted for his plus play in tournament play.
Once you get to the weaknesses part, it's rough.
Feel for the game.
Handle.
Shot.
May be considered a small ball 4.
It's a world of difference if Clarke is considered a small ball 4, doesn't have Little's wingspan, yet actually has feel, handle, and can actually pass. Motor? The same.
Clarke may be an older prospect, so he already had his first leap as a player. But sadly enough, I would trust his newly changed mechanics this year over Little's this year, because it looks like he pulls back more on his shot when he didn't have to, and it only made things worse.
I thought Clarke had a reputed 7'1 wingspan to Little's reputed 7'2 wingspan. _________________ Under New Management
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:04 am Post subject:
Quote:
Jaylen Brown's another Little comp for me, but Brown at least had an insane FTr/FTAs per 100 to get excited about whereas Little is just okay-ish at getting to the line in a much faster, better organized/spaced offense.
I'd feel different if the Lakers were the Spurs of player development. They just seem to get great prospects, but also outlier development out of each guy.
Even then, I'd still think Little is a 2-4 year guy before we see real production. O.G. Anunoby had similar physical tools, motor, handle, but the shot was better. Even his feel for the game was questioned. But at least the defense looked NBA ready from 4 through 2, and the only reason he slipped was because of injury. He was projected as a role player, not some future star.
At least he tried to be Indiana's #2. Little is off the bench behind Cam Johnson, Luke Maye, Coby White... _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:06 am Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Mike Schmitz did the scouting report on Nassir Little and even accounted for his plus play in tournament play.
Once you get to the weaknesses part, it's rough.
Feel for the game.
Handle.
Shot.
May be considered a small ball 4.
It's a world of difference if Clarke is considered a small ball 4, doesn't have Little's wingspan, yet actually has feel, handle, and can actually pass. Motor? The same.
Clarke may be an older prospect, so he already had his first leap as a player. But sadly enough, I would trust his newly changed mechanics this year over Little's this year, because it looks like he pulls back more on his shot when he didn't have to, and it only made things worse.
I thought Clarke had a reputed 7'1 wingspan to Little's reputed 7'2 wingspan.
I've seen between 6'10" to 7'. If it is 7', I'd think I'd take him over De'Andre Hunter. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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