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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:43 pm    Post subject:

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I also think any lotto pick will be traded this yearfor a ready player to help LeBron on our new time schedule. As we throw away all of our assets to appease him.....look for our latest asset to be gone rather quickly for an established player.....i.e. Beal or someone of that ilk. If it's #1 of course Zion for AD in Magic's mind.


Why not just get Kemba and keep the pick again?


If you can get Kemba and then trade for Beal.....Magic will pull that trigger.


Why are we trading for Beal if the Lakers have Kemba already?


Because Magic would look at Kemba as a 1 and Beal as a 2. Of course both established and relatively healthy unlike Ball. Would I agree to this.....HELL NO but I could see Magic doing something stupid again, like the Zubac giveaway or Randle giveaway. He is not GM material unfortunately.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject:

i wonder if Boston would do pick 14 and 24 for pick 10?
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i wonder if Boston would do pick 14 and 24 for pick 10?


Ainge would find a way to fleece Magic.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:09 pm    Post subject:

I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.
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I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


We talk about him and Sirvydis a lot on twitter, but I just rely on the evals of others when it comes to Euro prospects.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject:

This weeks top 10

Zion

Morant
Barrett

Culver
Keldon Johnson
Reddish
Hunter

Garland (could be #4 but injurred, idk)
Coby White

Brandon Clarke
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:39 pm    Post subject:

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i wonder if Boston would do pick 14 and 24 for pick 10?


Ainge would find a way to fleece Magic.


He would find a way for Magic to trade our 10 for his 14 plus Magic has to give him our next years first........f'n Magic
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:33 pm    Post subject:

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I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


We talk about him and Sirvydis a lot on twitter, but I just rely on the evals of others when it comes to Euro prospects.


And just like that Sekou Doumbaya replaces Goga at the 10 spot on tankathon.

Anybody know anything about him?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:02 am    Post subject:

The Lebrons wrote:
This weeks top 10

Zion

Morant
Barrett

Culver
Keldon Johnson
Reddish
Hunter

Garland (could be #4 but injurred, idk)
Coby White

Brandon Clarke

except from Keldon Johnson (i know nothing about him) all seem good players. Lets see how are we gonna blow it this time,in Maginka we trust
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:04 am    Post subject:

we could have had randle, dlo, zo, BI, Kuz, Hart, Zubac, this year
pick and possible room for a maximum. Great Magic, well done.
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Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.

And not that the Lakers are really drafting for the long-term anymore, but a future backcourt of Lonzo and Coby could be a synergistic match and a lot of fun.


This is my take and why Coby is my #1 guy in our range.


Coby at worst will be a great scorer off the bench, possible perennial 6th man. He can play on ball or off ball, has a quick shot, and plays the game with intelligence. I, too, would put him pretty high on my list of guys I would like us to draft
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:40 am    Post subject:

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I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


You're welcome, I follow the Euroleague here, news, highlights and whatever is on TV, but I have to admit, I couldn't catch a full game from Goga's team this season, yet. And with 2 more games to go before playoffs and vacations around the corner, it won't happen...

Oddly enough, it started with Tankathon having Goga at #10 and today, it's another Euro player: Sekou Doumbouya. But, I know nothing about him besides the draft videos.

He was highly praised last year, but his number at French league (which is weaker today than it used to be) are not encouraging.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.

And not that the Lakers are really drafting for the long-term anymore, but a future backcourt of Lonzo and Coby could be a synergistic match and a lot of fun.


This is my take and why Coby is my #1 guy in our range.


Coby at worst will be a great scorer off the bench, possible perennial 6th man. He can play on ball or off ball, has a quick shot, and plays the game with intelligence. I, too, would put him pretty high on my list of guys I would like us to draft


How is his shooting from 3? And overall, does he have a translateable shot in the NBA?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:12 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.

And not that the Lakers are really drafting for the long-term anymore, but a future backcourt of Lonzo and Coby could be a synergistic match and a lot of fun.


This is my take and why Coby is my #1 guy in our range.


Coby at worst will be a great scorer off the bench, possible perennial 6th man. He can play on ball or off ball, has a quick shot, and plays the game with intelligence. I, too, would put him pretty high on my list of guys I would like us to draft


How is his shooting from 3? And overall, does he have a translateable shot in the NBA?

Here's a breakdown of his offensive game with shooting %age data and clips of his jumper: linky
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.

And not that the Lakers are really drafting for the long-term anymore, but a future backcourt of Lonzo and Coby could be a synergistic match and a lot of fun.


This is my take and why Coby is my #1 guy in our range.


Coby at worst will be a great scorer off the bench, possible perennial 6th man. He can play on ball or off ball, has a quick shot, and plays the game with intelligence. I, too, would put him pretty high on my list of guys I would like us to draft


How is his shooting from 3? And overall, does he have a translateable shot in the NBA?

Here's a breakdown of his offensive game with shooting %age data and clips of his jumper: linky


Wow excellent read.

If he had 4-5 inches more wingspan he'd be a top 5 pick?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:19 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.


Agreed, though I do trust Coby's finishing *just enough* next level. He's a big reason for getting those transition opportunities.

KIROE has pointed out some sloppy ball-handling, but in a weak tier 2 draft like this, every prospect has something glaring.

I'm hoping he has mitts like Crittenton did. It seems to be evident with the amount of ball control on the step backs.

The high, loose handle with his polished array of dribble moves is such an odd combo. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign when trying to project his development trajectory.

But any 19 year old who can dribble behind his back and then hit an NBA range step back three with some consistency is going to be worth a close look.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:21 am    Post subject:

So if we got Kemba, Coby could be an excellent 6th man to play either guard position?

I like the fact that's he's 38.5% from NBA 3 range player already.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Coby White at a not particularly bouncy 6'4-ish is hitting 66.7% of his shots at the rim with only 19.5% of his attempts being assisted.

For comparison, RJ Barrett is hitting 64.3% of his shots at the rim with 36.6% of his attempts being assisted.

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of White's attempts at the rim in the half-court versus in transition.

And not that the Lakers are really drafting for the long-term anymore, but a future backcourt of Lonzo and Coby could be a synergistic match and a lot of fun.


This is my take and why Coby is my #1 guy in our range.


Coby at worst will be a great scorer off the bench, possible perennial 6th man. He can play on ball or off ball, has a quick shot, and plays the game with intelligence. I, too, would put him pretty high on my list of guys I would like us to draft


How is his shooting from 3? And overall, does he have a translateable shot in the NBA?

Here's a breakdown of his offensive game with shooting %age data and clips of his jumper: linky


Wow excellent read.

If he had 4-5 inches more wingspan he'd be a top 5 pick?

A broader wingspan would make him easier to project to SG where some of his vision/decisionmaking issues wouldn't be as significant. But he'd definitely be a top 5 pick regardless of wingspan, imo, if he displayed DLo-ish vision and passing touch - the passing deficiencies limit his upside to secondary option.

Now he'd be perfect alongside a bigger primary initiator like Giannis, but the Lakers don't look like they have that guy among Kuz, BI, or Zo, so White would be another Lakers draftee who is a potentially good starter/second tier star in search of a future superstar.
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So if we got Kemba, Coby could be an excellent 6th man to play either guard position?

I like the fact that's he's 38.5% from NBA 3 range player already.

He'll be bad as a rookie, but I think he could develop into a good, reliable 6th man by year two or three.

Obviously there's no guarantee any of these young guys will be able to shoot in the pros. Look at Malik Monk. But White has some very positive shooting indicators like touch around the rim/on floaters, FT shooting, NBA range 3FG%, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:15 am    Post subject:

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I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


We talk about him and Sirvydis a lot on twitter, but I just rely on the evals of others when it comes to Euro prospects.


And just like that Sekou Doumbaya replaces Goga at the 10 spot on tankathon.

Anybody know anything about him?


So so raw. Has rarely flashed good basketball plays. Long term project player. Seems more like a 4/3. Upside was based on youth but he doesn't show consistency with newly learned skills at both ends.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:26 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
LakersMD wrote:
I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


We talk about him and Sirvydis a lot on twitter, but I just rely on the evals of others when it comes to Euro prospects.


And just like that Sekou Doumbaya replaces Goga at the 10 spot on tankathon.

Anybody know anything about him?


So so raw. Has rarely flashed good basketball plays. Long term project player. Seems more like a 4/3. Upside was based on youth but he doesn't show consistency with newly learned skills at both ends.


So we already have Bonga for that...(instead of Melton... )
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:39 am    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
LakersMD wrote:
I just wanted to thank Eindhoven for the info on Goga.


We talk about him and Sirvydis a lot on twitter, but I just rely on the evals of others when it comes to Euro prospects.


And just like that Sekou Doumbaya replaces Goga at the 10 spot on tankathon.

Anybody know anything about him?


So so raw. Has rarely flashed good basketball plays. Long term project player. Seems more like a 4/3. Upside was based on youth but he doesn't show consistency with newly learned skills at both ends.


So we already have Bonga for that...(instead of Melton... )


That's the feeling I have, another project like Bonga. Not a bad thing, but one roster spot with such a project is enough. I believe Bitadze can be on the rotation right away, playing 10-12mpg, if his game translates to the NBA which is always a question.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject:

Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving
Chris Paul
Coby White

What do they all have in common?

6' 4" wingspan

It is written...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject:

Can some of you guys who are up on this stuff provide a quick numbered mock from at least 1-10? I wanna do some YT browsing, see what's what.

Just based on who you think is BPA from at least 1-10, anything over 10 is also good.

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Can some of you guys who are up on this stuff provide a quick numbered mock from at least 1-10? I wanna do some YT browsing, see what's what.

Just based on who you think is BPA from at least 1-10, anything over 10 is also good.

Thx.


Here's one I saw from Red Team Scouting.

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Tier 1:
1 Zion Williamson

Tier 2:
2 Darius Garland
3 Grant Williams
4 Jarrett Culver
5 Ja Morant
6 Brandon Clarke
7 De’Andre Hunter
8 Bol Bol
9 R.J. Barrett
10 Coby White


I'm at the Clarke/Hunter/White phase right now.
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