Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
LKA wrote:
adkindo wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
adkindo wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He is very talented and looks so good to the eye that I am willing to completely ignore the stats
You guys are falling for the workout warrior syndrome. Looks awesome with no one around him.....freezes up upon action. He is a Jeff Green type. I would pass.
Garland if he shows out in his workouts. or trade down with Phoenix or Cleveland, or Chicago for a lot of assets plus their pick and select Hunter, Culver, Clarke, White
with all due respect, just give your opinion and even point out that you disagree with my opinion....but no need to tell me what syndrome I am falling for.....this Jeff Green comp and claim of "workout warrior" is not original as it is the talking points for the group think known as NBA Draft Twitter.
Last year, 8 out of 10 people in this thread were telling me the same things about Mitchell Robinson when I was praying he would slip to us. Many of the same people are telling me that Cam is not a high level NBA talent this year. I may not be correct this time around, but it will not be because I fell for something or followed anyones lead in reaching my conclusions.
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
Joined: 06 Oct 2018 Posts: 5181 Location: Sin City
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:22 pm Post subject:
The God Particle wrote:
LKA wrote:
The God Particle wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa_Pf5i6lU
Not even in his highlights is there any shot-creation or play making.
The best thing he has going for himself is his size.
He's a right handed Rodney Hood.
With Paul George ceiling
Sure, if Rodney Hood still has that ceiling too....then I guess we agree.
Cmon man you are hating on Reddish. Dude is obviously talented as hell if he could struggle as much as he did last season and still be a projected lottery pick...
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 22841 Location: La Jolla, San Diego
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:24 pm Post subject:
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Garland is my pick. You don’t let handles and a jumper like that get away. That boy has some of the sickest handles I’ve seen in a long long time. Pete tweeted the NVE rhythm and when I watch him I get some flash backs. The herky jerky multi crosses are very similar. I wonder if his hands are as big as NVE though. He had some mittens.
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
He has a really great handle. I don't know how much you have seen him when you just say false stuff. _________________ Previously LBJ23
Man I don’t get people wanting reddish. I am a season ticket holder and all I know we need shooters. I want garland most all but if not white or hunter. I think garland and white are the best 2 shooters in the lottery that should be our focus
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
I'm intrigued by Sekou. If the Lakers trade down to say the Hawks, I wonder if they can get him and Clarke.
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Wouldn't say safer. They both could end up a less athletic Wes Johnson _________________ Previously LBJ23
Not even in his highlights is there any shot-creation or play making.
The best thing he has going for himself is his size.
He's a right handed Rodney Hood.
With Paul George ceiling
Sure, if Rodney Hood still has that ceiling too....then I guess we agree.
Cmon man you are hating on Reddish. Dude is obviously talented as hell if he could struggle as much as he did last season and still be a projected lottery pick...
I'm not hating. There is little question in my mind that Cam Reddish's measurables along with his skill-set make him a lottery pick.
But there is an ocean between the #4 pick and lottery and I think we'd be making a huge mistake if we draft him at 4.
Had we stayed at the #11 pick, then we'd both be clamoring for Cam Reddish (so long has THT wasn't on the board lol ).
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Culver is way more polished than Reddish offensively. Reddish only had nice flashes once in a while
Man I don’t get people wanting reddish. I am a season ticket holder and all I know we need shooters. I want garland most all but if not white or hunter. I think garland and white are the best 2 shooters in the lottery that should be our focus
So season ticket holders know the team needs better than the people that watch on TV? _________________ Previously LBJ23
Joined: 06 Oct 2018 Posts: 5181 Location: Sin City
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:28 pm Post subject:
Runway8 wrote:
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
I wouldn't say Garland is a big risk. Many believe he will be pretty good at worst case scenario..
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Culver is way more polished than Reddish offensively. Reddish only had nice flashes once in a while
Culver is pretty slow and deliberate with his movements. Reddish is way more fluid _________________ Previously LBJ23
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:29 pm Post subject:
kfkilla wrote:
Garland is my pick. You don’t let handles and a jumper like that get away. That boy has some of the sickest handles I’ve seen in a long long time. Pete tweeted the NVE rhythm and when I watch him I get some flash backs. The herky jerky multi crosses are very similar. I wonder if his hands are as big as NVE though. He had some mittens.
When we drafted DLo, I told my friends he was gonna be a taller NVE. I get a similar vibe from Garland. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Culver is way more polished than Reddish offensively. Reddish only had nice flashes once in a while
Culver is pretty slow and deliberate with his movements. Reddish is way more fluid
yet shot under 40% on twos. the smoothness manifested nothing good. Culver has some really nice flashes as well, check his first Duke game highlights. But on top of those flashes Culver is really effective
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
So basically Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are polished offensive players, reach for the sky type picks. Whereas Hunter and Culver are more blue collar and safer bet to contribute immediately?
Another reach for the sky name is Sekou Doumbouya.
Culver is way more polished than Reddish offensively. Reddish only had nice flashes once in a while
Culver is pretty slow and deliberate with his movements. Reddish is way more fluid
yet shot under 40% on twos. the smoothness manifested nothing good. Culver has some really nice flashes as well, check his first Duke game highlights. But on top of those flashes Culver is really effective
Bad shooter tho.. might as well just take Garland instead
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
He has a really great handle. I don't know how much you have seen him when you just say false stuff.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT HANDLE.
I watched EVERY single Duke game because I've been a Zion fan since his high school years.
Look, his handle is better than mine, I'll give him that. But to be an elite level shot-creator and playmaker, he doesn't have it. And at the #4 pick, if you're not a shot creator and playmaker, you shouldn't be the pick.
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
He has a really great handle. I don't know how much you have seen him when you just say false stuff.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT HANDLE.
I watched EVERY single Duke game because I've been a Zion fan since his high school years.
Look, his handle is better than mine, I'll give him that. But to be an elite level shot-creator and playmaker, he doesn't have it. And at the #4 pick, if you're not a shot creator and playmaker, you shouldn't be the pick.
He was asked to be the 4th ball handler on Duke. Lol. Behind Zion, Barrett, Jones. How much do you really know about Reddish or Duke? _________________ Previously LBJ23
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 22841 Location: La Jolla, San Diego
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject:
kfkilla wrote:
Garland is my pick. You don’t let handles and a jumper like that get away. That boy has some of the sickest handles I’ve seen in a long long time. Pete tweeted the NVE rhythm and when I watch him I get some flash backs. The herky jerky multi crosses are very similar. I wonder if his hands are as big as NVE though. He had some mittens.
That's my gut pick too.
Not only can he compliment Lonzo, he also gives versatility in terms of dealing Lonzo. Much the same way when Lonzo was drafted. I thought he and Russell could have complimented each other, instead he was a replacement. That's not to say i want to deal Lonzo, I think his defense is not appreciated enough. But who knows what this front office is thinking.
Man I don’t get people wanting reddish. I am a season ticket holder and all I know we need shooters. I want garland most all but if not white or hunter. I think garland and white are the best 2 shooters in the lottery that should be our focus
So season ticket holders know the team needs better than the people that watch on TV?
I didn’t say that but actually I think anyone that looks at this team needs can easily say the last thing we need is another guy that can’t shoot. I get reddish has physical skills but there are other players that can shoot in play why pick the one that can’t his physical tools arent even that amazing he is long but if you are going to pick a long guy with good athletic ability why not pick hunter the one that shot better and is the best defender in the class
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
He has a really great handle. I don't know how much you have seen him when you just say false stuff.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT HANDLE.
I watched EVERY single Duke game because I've been a Zion fan since his high school years.
Look, his handle is better than mine, I'll give him that. But to be an elite level shot-creator and playmaker, he doesn't have it. And at the #4 pick, if you're not a shot creator and playmaker, you shouldn't be the pick.
He was asked to be the 4th ball handler on Duke. Lol. Behind Zion, Barrett, Jones. How much do you really know about Reddish or Duke?
How many times does Mike have to post his usage rate for you to understand that Cam got PLENTY of opportunities to showcase himself (and couldn't).
If Cam wanted to feed 1st or 2nd on the team, then maybe he shouldn't have been the 3rd or 4th best player on his own team.
Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
He has a really great handle. I don't know how much you have seen him when you just say false stuff.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT HANDLE.
I watched EVERY single Duke game because I've been a Zion fan since his high school years.
Look, his handle is better than mine, I'll give him that. But to be an elite level shot-creator and playmaker, he doesn't have it. And at the #4 pick, if you're not a shot creator and playmaker, you shouldn't be the pick.
He was asked to be the 4th ball handler on Duke. Lol. Behind Zion, Barrett, Jones. How much do you really know about Reddish or Duke?
How many times does Mike have to post his usage rate for you to understand that Cam got PLENTY of opportunities to showcase himself (and couldn't).
If Cam wanted to feed 1st or 2nd on the team, then maybe he shouldn't have been the 3rd or 4th best player on his own team.
Lol. Wasn't his choice. He was 3rd in the team in Usage. Reddish had like 7 more shots a game. _________________ Previously LBJ23
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