Turns out Garland and Reddish are the guys who will be heavily debated this year. Ironically, I don’t think we’ll take either after all this debate.
based on?
Reddish is the furthest from being ready to contribute of the guys in that range and I think Lebrons timeline is a big factor. Garland for similar reasons, small guards take time to adjust and he may be tough to get on the floor in big games his rookie season because of defense. I think they want an immediate contributor which would be Hunter, Culver, or White. With that said, if Garland kills his workout I can see them taking a risk on him at the expense of LeBron timeline but he’d need to really show out.
I am at a loss how anyone can watch this and claim Cam is not ready to contribute....
He might be ready to contribute....
But merely contributing isn't something I'm looking to draft at the #4 spot. I'm looking for All-Star level (or higher) at #4.
Cam isn't it. Not enough shot creation (handle) and playmaking (athleticism/handle).
you are looking for All Star level or higher in year 1....good luck, because Zion will not even be an All Star next year.
Oh gawd.
Of course I'm not looking for all-star level or higher in year one. Sheesh. I never once made that claim. We should be drafting at #4 looking for someone that will develop (at minimum) into an all-star.
Cam limitations and ceiling just are it.
Zion will get voted in!
Cam definitely has All Star level ceiling...even his biggest critics would admit there is a world where Cam develops into an All Star level player...and you can no longer simply get voted into the All Star game, and the last rookie to get voted in when that was an option was Yao Ming with the entire country of China behind him.
I suppose if you subscribe to Everett's Many Worlds interpretations of quantum mechanics there IS actually a world where Cam Reddish is the best NBA player.
Problem is there is also a world where I AM the best NBA player.
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:54 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
@Plantedtanks I'm on the Bazley train! he's got some feel problems supposedly and sometimes looked like a HSer out there in the scrimmages. but flashed some real competence he has a super effective hang dribble. might be a future 1v1 dude. traces the ball nice on blocks. 208lbs is a really good weight for him. Measured the same as Kuzma length. Had some really impressive 1v1 D plays in stance, he can really move in a stance, great athlete
Yes he is such a smooth athlete. More explosive than realized. Also his vision and passing ability is underrated.
He looks slightly bigger in your vid than he did in high school.
I have not watched much film on him, but isn't he one of the guys that everyone seem to report lowered his stock at the combine?
@Plantedtanks I'm on the Bazley train! he's got some feel problems supposedly and sometimes looked like a HSer out there in the scrimmages. but flashed some real competence he has a super effective hang dribble. might be a future 1v1 dude. traces the ball nice on blocks. 208lbs is a really good weight for him. Measured the same as Kuzma length. Had some really impressive 1v1 D plays in stance, he can really move in a stance, great athlete
Yes he is such a smooth athlete. More explosive than realized. Also his vision and passing ability is underrated.
He looks slightly bigger in your vid than he did in high school.
I have not watched much film on him, but isn't he one of the guys that everyone seem to report lowered his stock at the combine?
@Plantedtanks I'm on the Bazley train! he's got some feel problems supposedly and sometimes looked like a HSer out there in the scrimmages. but flashed some real competence he has a super effective hang dribble. might be a future 1v1 dude. traces the ball nice on blocks. 208lbs is a really good weight for him. Measured the same as Kuzma length. Had some really impressive 1v1 D plays in stance, he can really move in a stance, great athlete
Yes he is such a smooth athlete. More explosive than realized. Also his vision and passing ability is underrated.
He looks slightly bigger in your vid than he did in high school.
I have not watched much film on him, but isn't he one of the guys that everyone seem to report lowered his stock at the combine?
I seen one write up but it never stated why. Just rehashed his New Balance internship and how it hurt his stock.
He might have done himself a disservice by not playing college ball as I believe he would be higher on the draft lists.
I know highlights can make a player look good, but just by watching this video you can tell he is highly talented...
Cam Reddish did not play 1 full game at top speed. He's so smooth that we have yet to see him get close to his peak.
RJ, OTOH, played 100% almost every possession and it showed.
I think Cam has the potential to be as smooth as KD while RJ will be more intense like Harden. If Cam ever plays as hard as RJ, he will be better than almost everyone in this draft. That's my expert "Duke Fan" assessment. _________________ Build around team players, not ISO players.
My top 3 right now are Garland, Culiver, Reddish.. I simply can’t take hunter I know his floor is high but with his age and his upside being a high end role player . I just wanna shoot for a higher ceiling at #4.
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
My top 3 right now are Garland, Culiver, Reddish.. I simply can’t take hunter I know his floor is high but with his age and his upside being a high end role player . I just wanna shoot for a higher ceiling at #4.
Hunter has a higher ceiling than Reddish. Reddish is Wiggins 2.0 - easy pass for me.
My top 3 right now are Garland, Culiver, Reddish.. I simply can’t take hunter I know his floor is high but with his age and his upside being a high end role player . I just wanna shoot for a higher ceiling at #4.
Hunter has a higher ceiling than Reddish. Reddish is Wiggins 2.0 - easy pass for me.
I agree Hunter might be the better player now but what you see is what you get there there imo. I’ll take my chances with the 19 year old kid who is still growing and developing and has shown traits to score from anywhere . Yeah he might not consistent but he has some very nice traits I could see him becoming very good player . As he grows into his body and gets nba training and development ..
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:27 pm Post subject:
Hydro21 wrote:
PassTheBooze wrote:
Hydro21 wrote:
My top 3 right now are Garland, Culiver, Reddish.. I simply can’t take hunter I know his floor is high but with his age and his upside being a high end role player . I just wanna shoot for a higher ceiling at #4.
Hunter has a higher ceiling than Reddish. Reddish is Wiggins 2.0 - easy pass for me.
I agree Hunter might be the better player now but what you see is what you get there there imo. I’ll take my chances with the 19 year old kid who is still growing and developing and has shown traits to score from anywhere . Yeah he might not consistent but he has some very nice traits I could see him becoming very good player . As he grows into his body and gets nba training and development ..
Yeah probably just not with us.. our development skills are trash.
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
I'd be shocked if Culver went ahead of both Hunter and Reddish. _________________ Build around team players, not ISO players.
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
I'd be shocked if Culver went ahead of both Hunter and Reddish.
Cleveland would be choosing between Culver and Hunter. They can go either or. I see Cam going 7-10. Hunter and Culver are better prospects than Reddish
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
I'd be shocked if Culver went ahead of both Hunter and Reddish.
Cleveland would be choosing between Culver and Hunter. They can go either or. I see Cam going 7-10. Hunter and Culver are better prospects than Reddish
I disagree. _________________ Build around team players, not ISO players.
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
I'd be shocked if Culver went ahead of both Hunter and Reddish.
Cleveland would be choosing between Culver and Hunter. They can go either or. I see Cam going 7-10. Hunter and Culver are better prospects than Reddish
I disagree.
What makes Reddish a better prospect? He had an inefficient season at Duke where he wasn't even the focus of the opposing teams game plans. Physically impressive sure but not as good as scouts were making him out to be. He doesn't have great explosion off the dribble and he really struggles to finish at the rim in traffic. He puts up a lot of weird floater type shots because he can't quite turn the corner. He averaged more turnovers than assists and rocked a nice 49% TS. He's my pick to become the next Wiggins/Hezonja.
White and Garland apparently got promises with teams picking within the 1-6 range well to be more specific 4-6 cause the top 3 is pretty much set in stone.
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Culver
White
Is how I got it. If we don't take Garland that means Phoenix will but White still has a promise in the top 6. I'd be heated if we take him but its unlikely and Cleveland's fit is questionable. He seems a bit redundant with Sexton. So its seems either we're keeping Garland or trading him away
I'd be shocked if Culver went ahead of both Hunter and Reddish.
Cleveland would be choosing between Culver and Hunter. They can go either or. I see Cam going 7-10. Hunter and Culver are better prospects than Reddish
I disagree.
What makes Reddish a better prospect? He had an inefficient season at Duke where he wasn't even the focus of the opposing teams game plans. Physically impressive sure but not as good as scouts were making him out to be. He doesn't have great explosion off the dribble and he really struggles to finish at the rim in traffic. He puts up a lot of weird floater type shots because he can't quite turn the corner. He averaged more turnovers than assists and rocked a nice 49% TS. He's my pick to become the next Wiggins/Hezonja.
This! I still think he has a solid chance of reaching a nice level, but great breakdown
I'm intrigued by Sekou. If the Lakers trade down to say the Hawks, I wonder if they can get him and Clarke.
I'm intrigued by Sekou too, that's a good choice of wording, lol. If we go that route though, I'd prefer we take a lil more variety since Sekou and Clarke are both PFs. Assuming Garland, Reddish and White are off the board by #8... perhaps, a combo of:
One of Hunter/Culver/Hayes/Goga/KPJ + Sekou
I'd take Sekou first so we don't lose him at #9.
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