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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

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To change the subject a bit, if you had to pick another PG besides Morant and Garland (I guess) who could develop into an All-Star who would you pick?

White? NAW (is he a PG?)? Edwards? Ponds? Robinson? Jerome? Bone? Clemons? Waters? Someone else?


Is THT a guard in your eyes?

If so..him (I think he is)

I think he'll be a SG who moves up to SF for stretches. Do you see him running PnR eventually in the pros?


Yes, I do. I think he will be able to score from all levels, and I think he's a willing passer who sees the floor well.

He's THICC, and has a good enough handle he'll be able to get and keep folks on his hips, and I think his best skill is his footwork in traffic. He's really (by one and done standards) a high school senior playing in the NCAA. (still 18).

I wanted him at #11.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 pm    Post subject:

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To change the subject a bit, if you had to pick another PG besides Morant and Garland (I guess) who could develop into an All-Star who would you pick?

White? NAW (is he a PG?)? Edwards? Ponds? Robinson? Jerome? Bone? Clemons? Waters? Someone else?


I guess I would go with White, but there would not be much conviction behind it. I see White as more of a 6th man scorer on a good team. I do not consider NAW a PG....I know he played some while Robinson was out, but I would be lying if I claimed to have watched much film of that period. If Edwards was a little taller, I would be tempted to go with him....and I have a soft spot for Bone, but it is the kind of soft spot that has got me in trouble before.

True, but 6th man scorer types on good teams can get All-Star adjacent now and then. Not a bad outcome for White.
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The God Particle wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The God Particle wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
To change the subject a bit, if you had to pick another PG besides Morant and Garland (I guess) who could develop into an All-Star who would you pick?

White? NAW (is he a PG?)? Edwards? Ponds? Robinson? Jerome? Bone? Clemons? Waters? Someone else?


Is THT a guard in your eyes?

If so..him (I think he is)

I think he'll be a SG who moves up to SF for stretches. Do you see him running PnR eventually in the pros?


Yes, I do. I think he will be able to score from all levels, and I think he's a willing passer who sees the floor well.

He's THICC, and has a good enough handle he'll be able to get and keep folks on his hips, and I think his best skill is his footwork in traffic. He's really (by one and done standards) a high school senior playing in the NCAA. (still 18).

I wanted him at #11.

I like him more than any other freshman wing not named Barrett, but he's still around #13-15 for me. I like the looks of his shot form, but the results were concerning. What do you think of his jumper at the next level? That would certainly open things up for his crafty drives.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject:

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Hey Baron how would you rank the potential of these players in order

Jarret Culver
DeAndre Hunter
Darius Garland
RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish

Barrett
Culver
Garland
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Hunter
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Reddish
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:58 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Hey Baron how would you rank the potential of these players in order

Jarret Culver
DeAndre Hunter
Darius Garland
RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish

Barrett
Culver
Garland
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Hunter
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Reddish


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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The God Particle wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
To change the subject a bit, if you had to pick another PG besides Morant and Garland (I guess) who could develop into an All-Star who would you pick?

White? NAW (is he a PG?)? Edwards? Ponds? Robinson? Jerome? Bone? Clemons? Waters? Someone else?


Is THT a guard in your eyes?

If so..him (I think he is)

I think he'll be a SG who moves up to SF for stretches. Do you see him running PnR eventually in the pros?


Yes, I do. I think he will be able to score from all levels, and I think he's a willing passer who sees the floor well.

He's THICC, and has a good enough handle he'll be able to get and keep folks on his hips, and I think his best skill is his footwork in traffic. He's really (by one and done standards) a high school senior playing in the NCAA. (still 18).

I wanted him at #11.

I like him more than any other freshman wing not named Barrett, but he's still around #13-15 for me. I like the looks of his shot form, but the results were concerning. What do you think of his jumper at the next level? That would certainly open things up for his crafty drives.


Streaky is the best way I'd describe his shooting right now. But unlike Reddish (sorry reddish fans, lol), the streaks he had showed me the potential was definitely there. He's definitely confident and can take them all, and can probably be a little more selective, but the potential is there.

I come back to the fact that this next year would be his freshman year so there is a lot of room for growth.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:03 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hey Baron how would you rank the potential of these players in order

Jarret Culver
DeAndre Hunter
Darius Garland
RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish

Barrett
Culver
Garland

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Hunter
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Reddish


is that your current preferred order @ #4, or is there someone he did not list?
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:11 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hey Baron how would you rank the potential of these players in order

Jarret Culver
DeAndre Hunter
Darius Garland
RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish

Barrett
Culver
Garland

............
Hunter
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Reddish


is that your current preferred order @ #4, or is there someone he did not list?

My realistic order, yes. I'd have Bol ahead of Barrett and Bitadze between Culver and Garland on my fantasy big board.

I think 2019 is a sneaky good big man draft (including undersized guys like Clarke, Williams, PJ, etc.), but given how devalued the position has become in the Warriors era a lot of teams will reach for lesser guards and wings on the chance one of them breaks through. I don't know what's the right strategy in a draft this wonky.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm    Post subject:

Interesting about Bol... IMO he could go anywhere from 4-15. His upside is #2 in the draft behind Zion and I think you could argue it could be #1.

The combination of size and skill is tantalizing. Is he a Porzingis/Durant hybrid (in time) or does his early career arc follow that of Thon.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:21 pm    Post subject:

Is it fair to say that Bol's bust potential is one of the highest in this draft?
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:21 pm    Post subject:

bol bol is the next hasheem thabeet
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:26 pm    Post subject:

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Is it fair to say that Bol's bust potential is one of the highest in this draft?

Certainly. He could be a rookie-contract-and-out guy even if he stays healthy.

My thoughts on his reported motor/attitude issues are 1) most lazy young big men play like Moses Brown and don't bother to put in the work to have guard skill at 7'1.5 that Bol has and 2) the kid has serious resting (bleep) face that plays into misperceptions of his "passion for the game" and such.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:26 pm    Post subject:

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bol bol is the next hasheem thabeet


smh mot going to know what he is until workouts but if he didnt get hurt he would be much higher than he is now.
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bol bol is the next hasheem thabeet

Except good and with guard skills.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:27 pm    Post subject:

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Interesting about Bol... IMO he could go anywhere from 4-15.


would really be shocked if he goes in the Top 10....appears like #11-#25 is more the range.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject:

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Is it fair to say that Bol's bust potential is one of the highest in this draft?

Certainly. He could be a rookie-contract-and-out guy even if he stays healthy.

My thoughts on his reported motor/attitude issues are 1) most lazy young big men play like Moses Brown and don't bother to put in the work to have guard skill at 7'1.5 that Bol has and 2) the kid has serious resting (bleep) face that plays into misperceptions of his "passion for the game" and such.

That's fair. The fact that he makes Brandon Ingram look swole is the part that makes me the most nervous.
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Interesting about Bol... IMO he could go anywhere from 4-15.


would really be shocked if he goes in the Top 10....appears like #11-#25 is more the range.

I really hope Atlanta takes a chance at #10, but going to a good development franchise like the Nets or Spurs could do wonders for him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject:

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bol bol is the next hasheem thabeet

Except good and with guard skills.


If only Bron was willing to share his HGH with Bol, I’d take the risk on him at 4. But seeing that BI has yet to gain weight or size I’m reluctant to draft Bol. Don’t trust our player dev team enough
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject:

Any concerns about Bol's season getting cut short due to injury? (9 games played)
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject:

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Beir32 wrote:
Is it fair to say that Bol's bust potential is one of the highest in this draft?

Certainly. He could be a rookie-contract-and-out guy even if he stays healthy.

My thoughts on his reported motor/attitude issues are 1) most lazy young big men play like Moses Brown and don't bother to put in the work to have guard skill at 7'1.5 that Bol has and 2) the kid has serious resting (bleep) face that plays into misperceptions of his "passion for the game" and such.


Same stuff said about Robinson the center for the knicks..zzzzz...zzzzzz

here is a vid for you of this LAZY GUY
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Is it fair to say that Bol's bust potential is one of the highest in this draft?

Certainly. He could be a rookie-contract-and-out guy even if he stays healthy.

My thoughts on his reported motor/attitude issues are 1) most lazy young big men play like Moses Brown and don't bother to put in the work to have guard skill at 7'1.5 that Bol has and 2) the kid has serious resting (bleep) face that plays into misperceptions of his "passion for the game" and such.

That's fair. The fact that he makes Brandon Ingram look swole is the part that makes me the most nervous.

If his Oregon weight was legit - 235 - there's at least hope he can bulk up 20-25 pounds in time. But colleges can suck at reporting accurate measurements and even if true, there's an outstanding question if his feet can handle that much weight.

I get teams being risk averse and not drafting him top 10. If I were Sam Hinkie, I'd take what I see as a home run swing and hope I connected over settling for one of the mirage safe base hits in the lottery this year.

Like, I'm struggling to think of a better combo pop and lob big than what Bol could be in the NBA right now - KAT and JJJ have wingspan but not as much bounce while Embiid hasn't been good from deep since his rookie year. A Rudy Gobert-esque lob threat who can shoot 40% from deep and attack hard closeouts has me thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:43 pm    Post subject:

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Any concerns about Bol's season getting cut short due to injury? (9 games played)


then Garland a whole 5 games played
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:44 pm    Post subject:

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Any concerns about Bol's season getting cut short due to injury? (9 games played)


Definitely a concern. It's related to his frail skinny ass frame. He needs to dedicate himself to the weight room and nutrition.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject:

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Any concerns about Bol's season getting cut short due to injury? (9 games played)

I'm not a doctor so I don't know. Some big men bounce back from (multiple) foot and ankle fractures like Embiid, Brook, and Ilgauskas while some go the way of Yao Ming (albeit after a HoF 9-year career).
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bol bol is the next hasheem thabeet

Except good and with guard skills.


If only Bron was willing to share his HGH with Bol, I’d take the risk on him at 4. But seeing that BI has yet to gain weight or size I’m reluctant to draft Bol. Don’t trust our player dev team enough

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