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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:23 pm    Post subject:

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Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


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could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??
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Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


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could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??


I wouldn't even touch him in the 1st round.
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If you were the Lakers what position and/or skillet would you draft next year?


First thought, depending on where the Lakers draft, I'd arguably want to trade down. If it's above 20, I may want to keep it. If it's #24 or so, I want to trade down for 2 2nds.

Second thought, whatever perceived BPA is. The thing about the NBA draft is, there is no real formula, rather certain theories or thought processes that yield above average results. The Lakers draft history dating back to 2014 has actually been stellar.

The only difference is waiting on the prospects to come around.

Other guys have splashed onto the scene and I haven't caught up with enough game tape as I like, whether it's Markus Howard, Haliburton, Gafford, Coby White (most interesting guy here), Brazdeikis, Kerwin Roach, Ty Jerome (here's your Kevin Huerter-type), Jordan Poole (big fan), Charles Matthews (bigger fan), etc.

Otherwise, my general prospect list was made prior to the season starting, and it's in my signature. There are certain guys that have flown up the draft board, others have dropped, others may not get drafted. But for the most part, that's the group of guys I do like.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject:

FWIW, if you want guys with less system adjustment to the league, Iowa State has 4 guys.

Big guards
Ball movement
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transition play.
Super long on defense; high deflection/steal/block rates
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:53 pm    Post subject:

LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


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could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject:

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LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him


May I ask why?

I can't. I'm already tired of watching BI get pushed around and he's more physically developed. If it was a perimeter player, at least I'd understand.
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Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

Quote:
Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him


May I ask why?

I can't. I'm already tired of watching BI get pushed around and he's more physically developed. If it was a perimeter player, at least I'd understand.



He can be a younger version of Javalee McGee with 3 point skills..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
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LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him


May I ask why?

I can't. I'm already tired of watching BI get pushed around and he's more physically developed. If it was a perimeter player, at least I'd understand.



He can be a younger version of Javalee McGee with 3 point skills..


I disagree.

He can't actually defend a player physically. I think I have a legit shot at scoring against him just because I'm more dense, and he's got a foot and a half on me.

Personally, I think he developed all of his perimeter skills because he couldn't deal with the physicality in the paint or anywhere near it. So, he got used to limited touches/limited touch time/shooting over guys.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:18 pm    Post subject:

Zion will be the best draft pick in over a decade. I have a feeling the Cavs could get him. Seems like whenever a superstar leaves a franchise that franchise lands #1 pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

Quote:
Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him


May I ask why?

I can't. I'm already tired of watching BI get pushed around and he's more physically developed. If it was a perimeter player, at least I'd understand.



He can be a younger version of Javalee McGee with 3 point skills..


I disagree.

He can't actually defend a player physically. I think I have a legit shot at scoring against him just because I'm more dense, and he's got a foot and a half on me.

Personally, I think he developed all of his perimeter skills because he couldn't deal with the physicality in the paint or anywhere near it. So, he got used to limited touches/limited touch time/shooting over guys.



Re-reviewed his defense clips. I agree with you.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject:

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Re-reviewed his defense clips. I agree with you.


tbh, I only caught 3 of his games. You can play him to zone an area defensively, and he'd be great at it, but it's difficult to see him in the playoffs trying to be physical along the perimeter or paint.
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Re-reviewed his defense clips. I agree with you.


tbh, I only caught 3 of his games. You can play him to zone an area defensively, and he'd be great at it, but it's difficult to see him in the playoffs trying to be physical along the perimeter or paint.


Just curious. What is your take on Austin Wiley and Aric Holman as possible big man first round pick?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject:

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GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?



Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??


he's got a poor work ethic as has been told to me by a couple people who have worked with him in the last couple years.
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Re-reviewed his defense clips. I agree with you.


tbh, I only caught 3 of his games. You can play him to zone an area defensively, and he'd be great at it, but it's difficult to see him in the playoffs trying to be physical along the perimeter or paint.


Just curious. What is your take on Austin Wiley and Aric Holman as possible big man first round pick?


I haven't seen enough of either but it just seems there's so many pick and roll dive men and they all do similar things so certain aspects need to stick out.

1. Jaxson Hayes - athletic freak, but not a physical player
2. Bruno Fernando - misused as a post player for Maryland, not the super elite leaper, but AWESOME footwork on PnR hedge and potential switch defender

3. Daniel Gafford is similar to Wiley

Those are the top 3 guys I would think would be in the 1st. I do have questions about Wiley being incredibly high USG, but I do remember he declared in last year's draft and I liked him then. I just have concerns about turnover rate/assist rate. That's just looking at the numbers.

Holman, OTOH, needs to be considerably more explosive. That's dunking by reach.

This is a big reason why I want to trade down though.

Shamorie Ponds
Coby White
Iggy Brazdeikis
Charles Matthews
Jordan Poole
Cameron Johnson
Matisse Thybulle
Carsen Edwards
Ty Jerome

... Basically I'm super comfortable with each of these guys bringing 1 to 2 NBA level skills. PnR dive guys I look for different skill sets that aren't highlighted, like short roll passing, low turnover rates, the types of blocked shots they get, overall rebounding rates.

Like, what's the difference between Thomas Bryant and Wiley or Holman outside of the 3pt shot? It feels like a dime a dozen, just people don't want to wait on their development.

Bagley and Mo Bamba are considerably more talented, but providing little to no impact on their respective teams. Even Mitchell Robinson and Robert Williams are barely blips. At least Robinson is the most immediate impact, but he can't even stay on the floor with the foul trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Mike!
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Sounds like Sagaba Konate may not return this season. I think he only played in 2-3 games this season. Some speculation is he still thinks he can go pro, and other speculation that he will seek a medical red shirt.

Not really sure how he could return....we have a Freshman coming in that is better than him, and a emerging Freshman stud playing PF this season that will not be going to the bench.
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Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?


Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??

I'd take him


May I ask why?

I can't. I'm already tired of watching BI get pushed around and he's more physically developed. If it was a perimeter player, at least I'd understand.

He is a perimeter player. A team would need to work around his defensive deficiencies in creative ways - zone? - and pair him with a unique frontcourt partner, but he's so gifted as a perimeter scorer at his size that he's easily worth a flier at the #18 pick or whatever.

The only thing giving me pause is his foot stress fracture, but I'd still take a roll of the dice after seeing Embiid's return to health. I can understand teams in the top-10/lottery being wary, but what do the Lakers have to really lose? A chance at another Josh Hart (if they're lucky)?
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Top-5 NBA prospect Bol Bol out for season at Oregon, will enter draft

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Oregon star freshman Bol Bol's college career is over, he announced Thursday.

Bol has been sidelined for the past four games because of a left foot injury and is unlikely to fully recover before the end of the season.


LINK


could fall off to ~20?



Maybe Lakers can draft him with the 18th pick??


he's got a poor work ethic as has been told to me by a couple people who have worked with him in the last couple years.

Where?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Rough list I made a month ago. Forgot to post it.


Zion

Culver
Barrett

De'Andre Hunter
Cam Reddish
Nassir Little
Ja Morant
Kevin Porter Jr

Keldon Johnson
NAW
Daniel Gafford
Coby White
Tre Jones

Brandon Clarke
Jontay Porter
Ty Jerome
Jalen McDaniels

Ignas Brazdeikis
Bruno Fernando

Tyrese Haliburton
Rui Hatchimura
Doumbouya
Talen Horten Tucker
PJ Washington
Shamorie Ponds
Romeo Langford

Charles Matthews
Matisse Thybulle
Jordan Poole
Miye Oni
Cam Johnson
Carsen Edwards
Norvell Jr
Markus Howard
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:09 pm    Post subject:

I like the idea of drafting Bol Bol... because then, we'd be able to say we have someone with Bols.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject:

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I like the idea of drafting Bol Bol... because then, we'd be able to say we have someone with Bols.


Good one!
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Zion is still the next Michael Jordan to me. Waiting to be disappointed or dissuaded, and nothing yet.

Nothing's changed yet.
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Zion is still the next Michael Jordan to me. Waiting to be disappointed or dissuaded, and nothing yet.

Nothing's changed yet.


You saw that double change of direction play in Iso for the dump off, I take it?
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Zion is still the next Michael Jordan to me. Waiting to be disappointed or dissuaded, and nothing yet.

Nothing's changed yet.


You saw that double change of direction play in Iso for the dump off, I take it?

Oh yes. And one of his last scoring plays in the 2nd half where he exploded past his man off a curl, got bumped with no call, and made a scoop layup.

He's super special.
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Zion will be the best draft pick in over a decade. I have a feeling the Cavs could get him. Seems like whenever a superstar leaves a franchise that franchise lands #1 pick.


Anthony Bennett was awesome in college.
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