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scooterp10
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| Wino wrote: | | 2017 Summer League Champs wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 70sdude wrote: | ^ By second unit, I guess you think Rondo won't start or finish many games.
I'd like to see that come to pass myself, but I figure that the end game scenario will very often be this: Rondo, LeBron, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart - when they are healthy enough to play. |
We can’t have Rondo or Ball finishing games, both are FT liabilities. |
What a ridiculous and trollish thing to say. Did they finish games last year? Is every game close and comes down to free throws? |
Trollish???? I call BS. He might have his moments, but this isn't one of them. He is absolutely correct. First off, they both play the same position and they both suck at shooting. I doubt they will play together all that often, I suspect almost never.
Also, in todays game, almost every game is close, especially when you have instant offense teams like GS who can throw up 20 points before you realize your shoe is untied.
Just because someone disagrees with you, does NOT make them a troll. In fact in this instance, your response is more trollish than VLF's is. |
I realized he struggled at times as a rookie, but Lonzo Ball can shoot and you want all the little things he does on floor to close out games. His body is getting stronger and his mental game should a lot be a lot better in his 2nd season. At this time there is no reason to entertain not having him on the floor unless he shows no progress this season. |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | 2017 Summer League Champs wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 70sdude wrote: | ^ By second unit, I guess you think Rondo won't start or finish many games.
I'd like to see that come to pass myself, but I figure that the end game scenario will very often be this: Rondo, LeBron, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart - when they are healthy enough to play. |
We can’t have Rondo or Ball finishing games, both are FT liabilities. |
What a ridiculous and trollish thing to say. Did they finish games last year? Is every game close and comes down to free throws? |
Trollish???? I call BS. He might have his moments, but this isn't one of them. He is absolutely correct. First off, they both play the same position and they both suck at shooting. I doubt they will play together all that often, I suspect almost never.
Also, in todays game, almost every game is close, especially when you have instant offense teams like GS who can throw up 20 points before you realize your shoe is untied.
Just because someone disagrees with you, does NOT make them a troll. In fact in this instance, your response is more trollish than VLF's is. |
I realized he struggled at times as a rookie, but Lonzo Ball can shoot and you want all the little things he does on floor to close out games. His body is getting stronger and his mental game should a lot be a lot better in his 2nd season. At this time there is no reason to entertain not having him on the floor unless he shows no progress this season. |
No one is saying he isn’t going to see the floor.
But I think he has to prove he wont be a liability on FTs if he wants to see regular appearances down the stretch in close games. |
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scooterp10
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| ringfinger wrote: | | scooterp10 wrote: | | Wino wrote: | | 2017 Summer League Champs wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 70sdude wrote: | ^ By second unit, I guess you think Rondo won't start or finish many games.
I'd like to see that come to pass myself, but I figure that the end game scenario will very often be this: Rondo, LeBron, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart - when they are healthy enough to play. |
We can’t have Rondo or Ball finishing games, both are FT liabilities. |
What a ridiculous and trollish thing to say. Did they finish games last year? Is every game close and comes down to free throws? |
Trollish???? I call BS. He might have his moments, but this isn't one of them. He is absolutely correct. First off, they both play the same position and they both suck at shooting. I doubt they will play together all that often, I suspect almost never.
Also, in todays game, almost every game is close, especially when you have instant offense teams like GS who can throw up 20 points before you realize your shoe is untied.
Just because someone disagrees with you, does NOT make them a troll. In fact in this instance, your response is more trollish than VLF's is. |
I realized he struggled at times as a rookie, but Lonzo Ball can shoot and you want all the little things he does on floor to close out games. His body is getting stronger and his mental game should a lot be a lot better in his 2nd season. At this time there is no reason to entertain not having him on the floor unless he shows no progress this season. |
No one is saying he isn’t going to see the floor.
But I think he has to prove he wont be a liability on FTs if he wants to see regular appearances down the stretch in close games. |
That’s what I was talking about as well. |
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I doubt this team finishes top 5 defensively in the league.
Utah
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: No big ones
R.Gobert / E.Udoh
D.Favors / J.Crowder
J.Ingles / T.Sefalosha / R.O’Neale
D.Mitchell / A.Burks / G.Allen [R]*
R.Rubio / D.Exum
Boston
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: Get Hayward back
A.Horford / A.Baynes / R.Williams III [R]*
J.Tatum / M.Morris / G.Yabusele
G.Hayward / S.Ojeleye
J.Brown / M.Smart
K.Irving / T.Rozier
Toronto
Last Year's DRTG: 105.9 (5th)
Changes: Kawhi/Green take DeRozan's place
J.Valanciunas / S.Ibaka / G.Monroe*
O.Anunoby / P.Siakam
K.Leonard* / O.Anunoby / C.Miles
D.Green* / D.Wright / D.Powell
K.Lowry / F.VanVleet
Oklahoma City
Last Year's DRTG: 107.2 (9th)
Changes: Added Noel, Schroder. Get Roberson back and drop Melo.
S.Adams / N.Noel*
J.Grant / P.Patterson
P.George / T.Ferguson / T.Luwawu*
A.Roberson / A.Abrines
R.Westbrook / D.Schroder* / R.Felton
Philadelphia
Last Year's DRTG: 105.0 (4th)
Changes: Added Chandler, returns Fultz. Drops Belly/Ilyasova/Holmes
J.Embiid / A.Johnson / M.Muscala*
D.Saric
R.Covington / W.Chandler* / F.Korkmaz
J.Redick / M.Fultz / Z.Smith [R]*
B.Simmons / T.McConnell
Not to mention Golden State when they actually try (Iggy, Dray, Durant, Klay.)
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This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season.
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Top 5 defense imo
Lonzo and KCP are really (bleep) good imo
If Ingram, lebron and javale buy in they will wreak havoc on opposing teams next season. We’re so fast it’s crazy. |
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No Randle or Nance at all. The overall D numbers will take a hit.
Plus Magic signed some sucky defenders. |
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Looking at the bench, I still think we got the advantage 
It's not just the guys we added, James, Rondo, Stevenson, Beasley, are GOOD on D when engaged, meaning they are better on D than their reputation.
They're older and gotta manage D effort and thats what stats reflect but dont show.
With young guns to fill the lapse and a re-energized team, I expect them to do what we know they are capable of on D and that's cause problems.
Then there's the growth curve of Ingram/Ball/Hart. All 3 of which I expect to be defensive studs in their own way. (length,feel,strength). Ingram and Zo are still growing, they just skinny ass boys still and both are already GOOD on D. When Zo grows that BBB booty man watch out. I don't believe the other teams will have the same amount of growth.
All in all, really exciting stuff.
| BynumForThree wrote: | I doubt this team finishes top 5 defensively in the league.
Utah
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: No big ones
R.Gobert / E.Udoh
D.Favors / J.Crowder
J.Ingles / T.Sefalosha / R.O’Neale
D.Mitchell / A.Burks / G.Allen [R]*
R.Rubio / D.Exum
Boston
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: Get Hayward back
A.Horford / A.Baynes / R.Williams III [R]*
J.Tatum / M.Morris / G.Yabusele
G.Hayward / S.Ojeleye
J.Brown / M.Smart
K.Irving / T.Rozier
Toronto
Last Year's DRTG: 105.9 (5th)
Changes: Kawhi/Green take DeRozan's place
J.Valanciunas / S.Ibaka / G.Monroe*
O.Anunoby / P.Siakam
K.Leonard* / O.Anunoby / C.Miles
D.Green* / D.Wright / D.Powell
K.Lowry / F.VanVleet
Oklahoma City
Last Year's DRTG: 107.2 (9th)
Changes: Added Noel, Schroder. Get Roberson back and drop Melo.
S.Adams / N.Noel*
J.Grant / P.Patterson
P.George / T.Ferguson / T.Luwawu*
A.Roberson / A.Abrines
R.Westbrook / D.Schroder* / R.Felton
Philadelphia
Last Year's DRTG: 105.0 (4th)
Changes: Added Chandler, returns Fultz. Drops Belly/Ilyasova/Holmes
J.Embiid / A.Johnson / M.Muscala*
D.Saric
R.Covington / W.Chandler* / F.Korkmaz
J.Redick / M.Fultz / Z.Smith [R]*
B.Simmons / T.McConnell
Not to mention Golden State when they actually try (Iggy, Dray, Durant, Klay.) |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment.
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| Wilkes52 wrote: | | LakersForever123 wrote: | | We will play defense like the the Detroit Pistons of the 80's. |
If so, most of our squad will foul out most outings before the two minute warning of the third quarter.  |
Given the depth and ages of our players (Older: McGhee, Lance, Rondo, LBJ) and younger (BI, Hart, Lonzo) that have the ability to play defense - if Luke transform their defensive style into focusing on pressing (3/4 to full court), it will provide more PT for everybody while setting up opposing teams to be ready for “The Kill” in the fourth quarters.
Outside of McGhee, all the players have good to great handles (fast break opportunities galore) and can play multiple positions (hence can switch everything) |
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all defensive but good FT lineup:
KCP
Hart
lance
BI
Bron
(and all can switch except KCP can't D center)
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| We still think Lance is a good defender? |
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| diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingramn's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo).
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingramn's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo). |
There needs to be a big focus on defense and rebounding, starting with the coaching staff. As the season goes on and they start developing chemistry with their set offense, the emphasis on defense needs to increase. Our players need to realize that if they make defense and rebounding a priority, then they will be able to run most other teams to death and beat the crap out of them. Maybe Magic should come to training camp and tell some Pat Riley stories to set the right tone.
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| I think we finish no worse than last year at #12 defensively. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingram's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo). |
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| Where do people get the notion that Lance is a good defender? He is an irritant at best who could get both himself and Draymond or KD ejected in a WCF game. That's the most value we could possibly get out of him. |
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| slavavov wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingramn's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo). |
There needs to be a big focus on defense and rebounding, starting with the coaching staff. As the season goes on and they start developing chemistry with their set offense, the emphasis on defense needs to increase. Our players need to realize that if they make defense and rebounding a priority, then they will be able to run most other teams to death and beat the crap out of them. Maybe Magic should come to training camp and tell some Pat Riley stories to set the right tone. |
There's nothing they need to do in order to produce a grand paradigm shift for the players and the way they play. The system and their identity was already established last year. They're a defense first team that gets out and runs. That's the system. That's their identity. It was implemented last season. Nothing has changed.
They were on track to be first in pace last year and top 10 in defensive efficiency but Lonzo got hurt and it caused them to slide in both of those categories.
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| BynumForThree wrote: | I doubt this team finishes top 5 defensively in the league.
Utah
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: No big ones
R.Gobert / E.Udoh
D.Favors / J.Crowder
J.Ingles / T.Sefalosha / R.O’Neale
D.Mitchell / A.Burks / G.Allen [R]*
R.Rubio / D.Exum
Boston
Last Year's DRTG: 103.9 (t-1st)
Changes: Get Hayward back
A.Horford / A.Baynes / R.Williams III [R]*
J.Tatum / M.Morris / G.Yabusele
G.Hayward / S.Ojeleye
J.Brown / M.Smart
K.Irving / T.Rozier
Toronto
Last Year's DRTG: 105.9 (5th)
Changes: Kawhi/Green take DeRozan's place
J.Valanciunas / S.Ibaka / G.Monroe*
O.Anunoby / P.Siakam
K.Leonard* / O.Anunoby / C.Miles
D.Green* / D.Wright / D.Powell
K.Lowry / F.VanVleet
Oklahoma City
Last Year's DRTG: 107.2 (9th)
Changes: Added Noel, Schroder. Get Roberson back and drop Melo.
S.Adams / N.Noel*
J.Grant / P.Patterson
P.George / T.Ferguson / T.Luwawu*
A.Roberson / A.Abrines
R.Westbrook / D.Schroder* / R.Felton
Philadelphia
Last Year's DRTG: 105.0 (4th)
Changes: Added Chandler, returns Fultz. Drops Belly/Ilyasova/Holmes
J.Embiid / A.Johnson / M.Muscala*
D.Saric
R.Covington / W.Chandler* / F.Korkmaz
J.Redick / M.Fultz / Z.Smith [R]*
B.Simmons / T.McConnell
Not to mention Golden State when they actually try (Iggy, Dray, Durant, Klay.) |
Every one of those teams has one suspect defender in both their starting lineup and one suspect defender in their second unit. Why Randle was veyr good on defense last year, I think our defense improves without Randle (who in fact was not that good his first couple of years in the league - he was taught defense by Walton's staff).
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| 3baller wrote: | | Where do people get the notion that Lance is a good defender? He is an irritant at best who could get both himself and Draymond or KD ejected in a WCF game. That's the most value we could possibly get out of him. |
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| slavavov wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingramn's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo). |
There needs to be a big focus on defense and rebounding, starting with the coaching staff. As the season goes on and they start developing chemistry with their set offense, the emphasis on defense needs to increase. Our players need to realize that if they make defense and rebounding a priority, then they will be able to run most other teams to death and beat the crap out of them. Maybe Magic should come to training camp and tell some Pat Riley stories to set the right tone. |
Did you not think and see on the court their commitment to defense from the start of last year’s training camp till the end of last season?
Given Luke’s desire to always push the tempo on offense, one great way to create pace is a stifling defense. The depth of this roster provide the quality players to always place a great deal of pressure
Nance was the player that the Cavs wanted, but BI’s ability to defend multiple positions, along with Hart (among the younger players) - the loss of Randle and Nance will be minimal.
The Starting Lineups of teams that will play better defense is legitimate. The good thing is that the games are 48 minutes long and depth is needed
Many have this ranking
Warriors
Jazz
Rockets
Thunder
5-11 are a tossup of many teams including the Lakers |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This team will be lucky to finish top 15 defensively. Middle of the pack would make for a good season. |
I agree with this assessment. |
Where have we downgraded defensively from last year, when we finished 12th despite injuries throughout the season? There is no reason to believe we shouldn't be just as good or better next season defensively, especially if you have Lebron sliding into PF and C full time. I think a lot depends on Kuzma's/Ingramn's growth defensively and which Rondo we get (regular season v. playoff Rondo). |
There needs to be a big focus on defense and rebounding, starting with the coaching staff. As the season goes on and they start developing chemistry with their set offense, the emphasis on defense needs to increase. Our players need to realize that if they make defense and rebounding a priority, then they will be able to run most other teams to death and beat the crap out of them. Maybe Magic should come to training camp and tell some Pat Riley stories to set the right tone. |
Did you not think and see on the court their commitment to defense from the start of last year’s training camp till the end of last season?
Given Luke’s desire to always push the tempo on offense, one great way to create pace is a stifling defense. The depth of this roster provide the quality players to always place a great deal of pressure
Nance was the player that the Cavs wanted, but BI’s ability to defend multiple positions, along with Hart (among the younger players) - the loss of Randle and Nance will be minimal.
The Starting Lineups of teams that will play better defense is legitimate. The good thing is that the games are 48 minutes long and depth is needed
Many have this ranking
Warriors
Jazz
Rockets
Thunder
5-11 are a tossup of many teams including the Lakers |
I definitely saw that commitment this past season, and I think coach Walton and the players need to be given lots of credit for that because they made a huge improvement on defense.
This season, I want them to have a real focus on getting into the top 6 or 7 in defensive efficiency. If they do that and they figure out how to execute when they have nothing in transition, we can really surprise people. I think we'll score at least 110 a game, and our defense will make the difference between just barely making the playoffs and possibly contending for a ring (along with, of course, the growth of the young guys).
I would be really surprised if the coaching staff didn't continue the focus on defense. I just really want us to become as elite on that end as possible, because as I said I think it's a given we'll be scoring mega points. We should probably expect to see our fair share of 130+ point games.
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This team only has two defenders on it.
KCP and Lonzo. Everyone else is either trying to find consistency off a bad defensive year last season, or have been bad defenders the past few seasons, and others in their careers in general.
So I don't see us being top 5 defensively. Top 15 would be the goal I'd say.
But really as it stands our teams best and really only consistent defenders are KCP and Lonzo, with Hart coming up the pike. We're gonna need more than that if we're gonna be top 5. Top 15-17 is much more realistic. Top 18 is probably the expectation, though I think we'll land around 15th.
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Definitely more likely we finish in the bottom half of defensive teams across the league than the top half.
Saying we'll lock up teams is setting yourself up for major disappointment.
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| MJST wrote: | This team only has two defenders on it.
KCP and Lonzo. Everyone else is either trying to find consistency off a bad defensive year last season, or have been bad defenders the past few seasons, and others in their careers in general.
So I don't see us being top 5 defensively. Top 15 would be the goal I'd say.
But really as it stands our teams best and really only consistent defenders are KCP and Lonzo, with Hart coming up the pike. We're gonna need more than that if we're gonna be top 5. Top 15-17 is much more realistic. Top 18 is probably the expectation, though I think we'll land around 15th. |
Josh Hart and to a lesser extent, BI. |
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