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Zubolo
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 Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:21 am Post subject: 1-16 Against the Jazz, Pelicans, Wolves, Blazers and Clippers |
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This never really hit me till I listened to an argument made by Laker and Lebron hater extraordinaire Rob Parker on FS1.
As much as we found some decent level of success against some of the elite teams, how we fared against the middling teams was somewhat disturbing. Our only win out of the 17 games inferred to in the header came in the last game of the season against the Clippers, which was kinda meaningless since both teams were essentially resting key guys.
My question is how much of a difference does primarily Lebron make in this kind of equation? Rondo, Mcgee, the development of our young guys among others will obviously play a key. However, if you had to look ahead and speculate the number of wins we could get against these 5 teams who will be competing for a playoff spot in the west, how many out of 18 (number of times we play them this year combined) do we win? |
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Who do these teams have that will stop LBJ?
Ingles?
Butler?
Tobias Harris?
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That is a great observation. I had not realized the Laker record was so pitiful against those teams.
To state the obvious, the Lakers are not the same team this year. IMO you are downplaying the new players and development a bit. Compared to last year this team is much deeper, more position flexible and have solid leadership on the court at all times.
If the Lakers can find roster chemistry and stay relatively healthy. If they can “ all” buy in to the season goals. If they can be allowed to play together without the looming pressure of mid season roster moves. There are a lot of uncertainties but if they can pull it together they can be at least 9-9 against those teams. Perhaps even 10 -8 if team identity/rotations can be set early in the season. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:27 am Post subject: Re: 1-16 Against the Jazz, Pelicans, Wolves, Blazers and Clippers |
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| Zubolo wrote: | This never really hit me till I listened to an argument made by Laker and Lebron hater extraordinaire Rob Parker on FS1.
As much as we found some decent level of success against some of the elite teams, how we fared against the middling teams was somewhat disturbing. Our only win out of the 17 games inferred to in the header came in the last game of the season against the Clippers, which was kinda meaningless since both teams were essentially resting key guys.
My question is how much of a difference does primarily Lebron make in this kind of equation? Rondo, Mcgee, the development of our young guys among others will obviously play a key. However, if you had to look ahead and speculate the number of wins we could get against these 5 teams who will be competing for a playoff spot in the west, how many out of 18 (number of times we play them this year combined) do we win? |
I think it's kinda irrelevant, since the variables have changed. Those games were close, and we have improved dramatically. If I was a guessing man, I will assume we will be at least .500 against those teams. |
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Of the 5 teams listed, I'd argue that 3/5 teams have gotten worse this offseason (Clips, Pels, Blazers). Jazz and TWolves about the same.
But of course we improved tremendously with LBJ and our young kids will improve dramatically too.
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| Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
Sorry for being “that guy” but pretty sure you mean moot point.
Unless you intended on saying a “moo point”. But that is an entirely different meaning. And only relevant if you have seen too many re-runs of Friends. |
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| What’s Cavs record against those teams last season? cause our team now is better than that |
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I think we such a young roster we were simply more likely to play to the level of our opponents last year. I didn’t realize it was quite as bad as 1-16 for those teams, but as mentioned we were in most of them (just didn’t get the W).
It’s an interesting find, but overall as mentioned already, we have a new team that will have new challenges and opportunities mostly unrelated to last years’ performance.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
Sorry for being “that guy” but pretty sure you mean moot point.
Unless you intended on saying a “moo point”. But that is an entirely different meaning. And only relevant if you have seen too many re-runs of Friends. |
He's trying to tell everyone shut up. 
It doesn't need to be reiterated much more, the Lakers need to have a winning record against these teams if the playoffs is the goal.
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| diando wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
Sorry for being “that guy” but pretty sure you mean moot point.
Unless you intended on saying a “moo point”. But that is an entirely different meaning. And only relevant if you have seen too many re-runs of Friends. |
He's trying to tell everyone shut up.
It doesn't need to be reiterated much more, the Lakers need to have a winning record against these teams if the playoffs is the goal. |
Exactly Diando...I actually thought it was a "mute" point...suggesting silence. My apologies to all for my incorrect grammar. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | diando wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
Sorry for being “that guy” but pretty sure you mean moot point.
Unless you intended on saying a “moo point”. But that is an entirely different meaning. And only relevant if you have seen too many re-runs of Friends. |
He's trying to tell everyone shut up.
It doesn't need to be reiterated much more, the Lakers need to have a winning record against these teams if the playoffs is the goal. |
Exactly Diando...I actually thought it was a "mute" point...suggesting silence. My apologies to all for my incorrect grammar. |
so which one is it.....I have read it 3 times and do not see the issue.....I even pushed the moot button on my television so I could focus while reading. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:45 am Post subject: Re: 1-16 Against the Jazz, Pelicans, Wolves, Blazers and Clippers |
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| Zubolo wrote: | This never really hit me till I listened to an argument made by Laker and Lebron hater extraordinaire Rob Parker on FS1.
As much as we found some decent level of success against some of the elite teams, how we fared against the middling teams was somewhat disturbing. Our only win out of the 17 games inferred to in the header came in the last game of the season against the Clippers, which was kinda meaningless since both teams were essentially resting key guys.
My question is how much of a difference does primarily Lebron make in this kind of equation? Rondo, Mcgee, the development of our young guys among others will obviously play a key. However, if you had to look ahead and speculate the number of wins we could get against these 5 teams who will be competing for a playoff spot in the west, how many out of 18 (number of times we play them this year combined) do we win? |
Considering he's done it for so many years in the East, Lebron will make a huge difference when it comes to getting wins against mid-level and bad teams.  
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| King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
lol sure |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: Re: 1-16 Against the Jazz, Pelicans, Wolves, Blazers and Clippers |
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| Zubolo wrote: | This never really hit me till I listened to an argument made by Laker and Lebron hater extraordinaire Rob Parker on FS1.
As much as we found some decent level of success against some of the elite teams, how we fared against the middling teams was somewhat disturbing. Our only win out of the 17 games inferred to in the header came in the last game of the season against the Clippers, which was kinda meaningless since both teams were essentially resting key guys.
My question is how much of a difference does primarily Lebron make in this kind of equation? Rondo, Mcgee, the development of our young guys among others will obviously play a key. However, if you had to look ahead and speculate the number of wins we could get against these 5 teams who will be competing for a playoff spot in the west, how many out of 18 (number of times we play them this year combined) do we win? |
So at least 8 more wins right there starting with opening night.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
lol sure |
was not KR's quote....that part was added by diando |
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Not too worried about our record against those teams
We did not hit our stride until Jan 4 our lowers point of the season 11-27 (16 under .500), finished the rest of year 24-20.
if we looked at it that way, we played those team 7 times
Clip - We won our only game
Jazz - We are down 6 on the 3rd on one and 6 on the half on the other
Wolves - We are ahead 7 on the 3rd on one and 7 on the half on the other
Pelican - one blowout and ahead 11 on 3rd on the other
Blazers - We are ahead 7 on the 3rd
All the games are winnable except for one maybe 2, Pelican weaker without Rondo, Clippers, Pelicans and Blazers does not look improved to me. Only the Jazz looks difficult, because of there defense. With Lebron and another year on our belt, I expect winning at least half of those games at the min. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | Means absolutely nothing...zero....brand new team with the second best player in the NBA. Mute point. |
lol sure |
was not KR's quote....that part was added by diando |
aha thanks. my bad King Randle |
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| New team, new year, not sure how this is relevant other than let's not go 1-16 against them this year. |
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| DLaker wrote: | Not too worried about our record against those teams
We did not hit our stride until Jan 4 our lowers point of the season 11-27 (16 under .500), finished the rest of year 24-20.
if we looked at it that way, we played those team 7 times
Clip - We won our only game
Jazz - We are down 6 on the 3rd on one and 6 on the half on the other
Wolves - We are ahead 7 on the 3rd on one and 7 on the half on the other
Pelican - one blowout and ahead 11 on 3rd on the other
Blazers - We are ahead 7 on the 3rd
All the games are winnable except for one maybe 2, Pelican weaker without Rondo, Clippers, Pelicans and Blazers does not look improved to me. Only the Jazz looks difficult, because of there defense. With Lebron and another year on our belt, I expect winning at least half of those games at the min. |
Excellent breakdown Dr Laker. I guess I was trying to see a glass half full way of looking at it without just saying.. "hey we have Lebron!!"
Seeing how we fared in the second half of last season.. where we were 24-20.. I am inclined to put more stock in those games. I think we made a terrible mistake last season not starting Randle. Now we take Randle and replace him with Lebron and that alone should put us at least 10-8 versus these teams.
Rondo major upgrade to the bench as opposed to Ennis/Caruso (I like Caruso though). Kuzma gets better, Hart gets better, Ingram and Lonzo presumably get better.. I like our chances to go 12-6 based on internal improvements PLUS the addition of James. Beating these mid-level teams will say a lot about where we finish in the standings, hence why I started this post. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: |
Unless you intended on saying a “moo point”. But that is an entirely different meaning. And only relevant if you have seen too many re-runs of Friends. |
It could also be a moo point because it's total BS. |
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I doubt there's much useful information learned in a dissection of those games with those squads, especially since we have the perspective of the Lakers having added one of the league's three best players since the 2017-2018 season end.
If LeBron hadn't brought his particular history (no losing NBA seasons), always the best player of his squad, career averages (27ppg, 7 apg and 7 rpg) and essentially no statistical downturn so far, I might find last season more relevant. But a healthy LJ here changes the potential for essentially everything, every aspect of Laker team dynamics from here on. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1-16 Against the Jazz, Pelicans, Wolves, Blazers and Clippers |
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| Zubolo wrote: | This never really hit me till I listened to an argument made by Laker and Lebron hater extraordinaire Rob Parker on FS1.
As much as we found some decent level of success against some of the elite teams, how we fared against the middling teams was somewhat disturbing. Our only win out of the 17 games inferred to in the header came in the last game of the season against the Clippers, which was kinda meaningless since both teams were essentially resting key guys.
My question is how much of a difference does primarily Lebron make in this kind of equation? Rondo, Mcgee, the development of our young guys among others will obviously play a key. However, if you had to look ahead and speculate the number of wins we could get against these 5 teams who will be competing for a playoff spot in the west, how many out of 18 (number of times we play them this year combined) do we win? |
I already brought that up 5 days ago. He must've read my post about it and just copied me like everyone else does. It's really MY great point, but I'm learning to share my GREATNESS more with each passing year. Rob wants to be a somebody like me.
NPZ, 8/15:
Fifty is doable with a top 3 (or 1?) player. We'll finally (hopefully) start beating LAC, MIN, POR for just a few examples. Start adding some of those piles of bad losses from last year to 35 wins. They lost their first 10 games against those three teams alone.
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