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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject:

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Even by the way they decided to stretch Deng, it's clear they did not want to do this. I can't blame them. 2 1st rounders is a steep price to pay. I don't put this 100% on the FO.

I think it's 50/50 b/c Jules never liked his role here, and probably wanted a bigger deal (remember some here thought he would get 20m+/year on the market?) over longer years. I'm sure if he would take 1 year deal the Lakers would have given it to him.
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My dream is LBJ/KL.

LBJ/KL dominate now.

But then KL takes the lead as LBJ declines.

Then BI/Lonzo/Kuz/Hart take it as KL does. That's a 7-8 year dynasty in the making.


You forgot to include the all important "if healthy" label when discussing Leonard. It is kind of important.

Not sure who or what to believe when guys start talking to the media in hindsight. Maybe a little bit of both sides are true in the Randle situation.

The young man has moved to another team. What could have been is over. IMO Lakers are going to miss his energy and physicality on the boards this season. My hope is they can find ways to replace it by committee.

It is a "prove it" league. Randle needs to prove he is a rising star he thinks he is and the Lakers need to prove they can find a way to rebound effectively.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject:

I think with Randle his long term plans got screwed when George stayed in OKC. Being the last person you sign and going over the cap to sign him, he would have been the best player you could get at his cap hold value. But when they decided to punt until next season it pretty much threw that plan out the window.
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My dream is LBJ/KL.

LBJ/KL dominate now.

But then KL takes the lead as LBJ declines.

Then BI/Lonzo/Kuz/Hart take it as KL does. That's a 7-8 year dynasty in the making.


You forgot to include the all important "if healthy" label when discussing Leonard. It is kind of important.

Not sure who or what to believe when guys start talking to the media in hindsight. Maybe a little bit of both sides are true in the Randle situation.

The young man has moved to another team. What could have been is over. IMO Lakers are going to miss his energy and physicality on the boards this season. My hope is they can find ways to replace it by committee.

It is a "prove it" league. Randle needs to prove he is a rising star he thinks he is and the Lakers need to prove they can find a way to rebound effectively.


Of course if healthy. But it applies to everyone at the max range. KD is turning 30 so will he stay healthy? Butler has had injury risk. LBJ is older. Reports from Toronto are that KL is looking good in their practices.
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Luol Deng+2 1st round draft picks+Cash (maximum allowed)

Even by the way they decided to stretch Deng, it's clear they did not want to do this. I can't blame them. 2 1st rounders is a steep price to pay. I don't put this 100% on the FO.

I think it's 50/50 b/c Jules never liked his role here, and probably wanted a bigger deal (remember some here thought he would get 20m+/year on the market?) over longer years. I'm sure if he would take 1 year deal the Lakers would have given it to him.


2 first round picks likely in the mid 20's would have been worth it when we would have been able to keep a talented young player (even with his flaws) like Randle. We forget the guy is still only 23, around the age of a 1st round draft pick. Not to mention we would have already been loaded with young talent with nearly half our roster (Wagner/Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Ball/Hart/Svi)

I agree though, this FO does clearly value their 1st round draft picks. I never thought anything close to 20M+ in this market would be realistic for Randle. I was thinking something around 14-15M per year would have been his best case. 13M a year would have been a good compromise and about 1/3rd than what he signed for on his 1 year deal with NOP.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject:

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2 first round picks likely in the mid 20's would have been worth it
when we would have been able to keep a talented young player (even with his flaws) like Randle. We forget the guy is still only 23, around the age of a 1st round draft pick. Not to mention we would have already been loaded with young talent with nearly half our roster (Wagner/Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Ball/Hart/Svi)

I agree though, this FO does clearly value their 1st round draft picks. I never thought anything close to 20M+ in this market would be realistic for Randle. I was thinking something around 14-15M per year would have been his best case. 13M a year would have been a good compromise and about 1/3rd than what he signed for on his 1 year deal with NOP.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:37 am    Post subject:

If he would have come back on a 1 year deal, it's hard to understand why the FO wouldn't bring him back. He was our best player last year.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:39 am    Post subject:

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My dream is LBJ/KL.

LBJ/KL dominate now.

But then KL takes the lead as LBJ declines.

Then BI/Lonzo/Kuz/Hart take it as KL does. That's a 7-8 year dynasty in the making.


You forgot to include the all important "if healthy" label when discussing Leonard. It is kind of important.

Not sure who or what to believe when guys start talking to the media in hindsight. Maybe a little bit of both sides are true in the Randle situation.

The young man has moved to another team. What could have been is over. IMO Lakers are going to miss his energy and physicality on the boards this season. My hope is they can find ways to replace it by committee.

It is a "prove it" league. Randle needs to prove he is a rising star he thinks he is and the Lakers need to prove they can find a way to rebound effectively.


Of course if healthy. But it applies to everyone at the max range. KD is turning 30 so will he stay healthy? Butler has had injury risk. LBJ is older. Reports from Toronto are that KL is looking good in their practices.


Just having some fun with it.

All summer long that has been how Leonard has been described from fans to sports talk analysts. Hell, it practically has to be added to his jersey under his name at this point.

He has a lot to prove this season. Most importantly can he be healthy all season? So much of next year's free agency decisions depends on it. Whether for him financially but also all the other dominoes of free agent choices .
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Luol Deng+2 1st round draft picks+Cash (maximum allowed)

Even by the way they decided to stretch Deng, it's clear they did not want to do this. I can't blame them. 2 1st rounders is a steep price to pay. I don't put this 100% on the FO.

I think it's 50/50 b/c Jules never liked his role here, and probably wanted a bigger deal (remember some here thought he would get 20m+/year on the market?) over longer years. I'm sure if he would take 1 year deal the Lakers would have given it to him.


2 first round picks likely in the mid 20's would have been worth it when we would have been able to keep a talented young player (even with his flaws) like Randle. We forget the guy is still only 23, around the age of a 1st round draft pick. Not to mention we would have already been loaded with young talent with nearly half our roster (Wagner/Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Ball/Hart/Svi)

I agree though, this FO does clearly value their 1st round draft picks. I never thought anything close to 20M+ in this market would be realistic for Randle. I was thinking something around 14-15M per year would have been his best case. 13M a year would have been a good compromise and about 1/3rd than what he signed for on his 1 year deal with NOP.


Honestly, I think Jules thought he would be worth more than the 9m he got. I can't believe that's what he thought he was worth.

This is a problem with rookie deal players. If you're an unquestioned stud it's easy to pay the $, but if you're something less than that, it's more difficult. Teams didn't exactly jump at the opportunity to poach him away fully knowing the Lakers' cap situation.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:42 am    Post subject:

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If he would have come back on a 1 year deal, it's hard to understand why the FO wouldn't bring him back. He was our best player last year.


I don't think he wanted a 1 year deal.
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2 first round picks likely in the mid 20's would have been worth it
when we would have been able to keep a talented young player (even with his flaws) like Randle. We forget the guy is still only 23, around the age of a 1st round draft pick. Not to mention we would have already been loaded with young talent with nearly half our roster (Wagner/Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Ball/Hart/Svi)

I agree though, this FO does clearly value their 1st round draft picks. I never thought anything close to 20M+ in this market would be realistic for Randle. I was thinking something around 14-15M per year would have been his best case. 13M a year would have been a good compromise and about 1/3rd than what he signed for on his 1 year deal with NOP.


no he is not

Just going to state these facts and leave it alone. Over the last 50+ years, the 25th pick has turned into

An all star 4% of the time (2 times)
A starter 9% of the time
Back up 33% of the time
End of Bench 42% of the time
Didnt play in NBA 12% of the time

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:48 am    Post subject:

Julius came up for payday at the wrong time for us. We weren't a good option for him this year. I'm glad he has a shot to move on with a playoff team.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
epak wrote:
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He had 4 years to show something

It was time to move on

Like Russell, i just don't see it in him


Well, three years and one game. And what were you watching the last 49 games with him as a starter?


A guy who would be a great 5th option.


I don't think he thought of himself as that.


I don’t think Julius has relented from the dreams he cultivated as one of the most hyped high school prospects of the last 6 years. He wants the chance to grow into a star. Wiggins and Jabari have also niether transitioned well into lesser roles. Julius certainly did better last year —but ultimately he sees himself as a 20ppg guy who handles the ball pretty damn often , and develops a jumper.. We were no longer the situation to cultivate the player he dreams of being.


I think so too. I don’t doubt that he would have liked to stay a Laker but not at a reduced role; and he certainly wasn’t going to risk his career on a 1 year deal with an uncertain role.

I wish him well because the guy does care and he wants to be great.

Just wrong place, wrong time. The Lakers needed a competent backup PG...best in the league tbh and Rondo may even take up significant minutes. They also needed to keep max slot open for 2019.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:59 am    Post subject:

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Julius came up for payday at the wrong time for us. We weren't a good option for him this year. I'm glad he has a shot to move on with a playoff team.


It was a bad year for all but a few free agents. Money was not there and many players were left with tough financial decisions. Randle was not the only one squeezed by the economic realities.

Similar to how 2016 had an excess of ridiculous over pays I think this year had multiple great deals for good players.

Next year will be interesting as there will be much more financial flexibility around the league and numerous players available to choose from. Potentially setting up to be a big year in roster shuffles.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject:

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2 first round picks likely in the mid 20's would have been worth it
when we would have been able to keep a talented young player (even with his flaws) like Randle. We forget the guy is still only 23, around the age of a 1st round draft pick. Not to mention we would have already been loaded with young talent with nearly half our roster (Wagner/Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Ball/Hart/Svi)

I agree though, this FO does clearly value their 1st round draft picks. I never thought anything close to 20M+ in this market would be realistic for Randle. I was thinking something around 14-15M per year would have been his best case. 13M a year would have been a good compromise and about 1/3rd than what he signed for on his 1 year deal with NOP.


no he is not

Just going to state these facts and leave it alone. Over the last 50+ years, the 25th pick has turned into

An all star 4% of the time (2 times)
A starter 9% of the time
Back up 33% of the time
End of Bench 42% of the time
Didnt play in NBA 12% of the time

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations


Just going to state these facts and leave it alone.

last couple of years, lakers scouting department has drafted these guys in late 1st or 2nd rd:


2014 2 46 Jordan Clarkson
2015 1 27 Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2 34 Anthony Brown
2017 1 27 Kyle Kuzma
2017 1 30 Josh Hart
2017 2 42 Thomas Bryant
2018 1 25 Moritz Wagner (from Cleveland via Portland and Cleveland)
2018 2 39 Isaac Bonga (from New York via Philadelphia)
2018 2 47 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (from Denver via Utah and Chicago)

yeah ill go with the lakers scouting department
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Julius Randle wanted to return to the lakers

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https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Julius-Randle-wanted-to-return-to-Los-Angeles-Lakers-121506102/

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The Lakers initially extended the $5.5 million qualifying offer to Randle and it looked as if the 23-year-old would return to a Lakers team that is bound to contend with LeBron James leading the way. However, the team later rescinded the offer and instead signed Rajon Rondo to a one-year, $9 million deal.

Lakers ultimately decided that Rondo would be in the team's plans for the 2018-19 season and not their young former No. 7 overall pick.


If that’s true, choosing a 32 year old PG who is 9 years older over a young 23 up and coming PF, it shows that the FO probably doesn’t have too much faith in Lonzo’s health and stability to stay on the court.
they dont. and why would you? he missed a lot of games.

as much as i like zo. availability is still the best ability
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject:

cantletthingsgo.net

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I think we need another Clarkson/Dlo thread to help some of ya'll cope
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject:

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2014 2 46 Jordan Clarkson
2015 1 27 Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2 34 Anthony Brown
2017 1 27 Kyle Kuzma
2017 1 30 Josh Hart
2017 2 42 Thomas Bryant
2018 1 25 Moritz Wagner (from Cleveland via Portland and Cleveland)
2018 2 39 Isaac Bonga (from New York via Philadelphia)
2018 2 47 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (from Denver via Utah and Chicago)


Interesting. So in order.

1. 6th man
2. rotation player
3. bust
4. Starter level/6th man
5. Starter level/6th man
6. didn't pan out.

Wags can be a rotation player.
Bonga is a ?.
Svi will be a rotation player IMO.

Not bad.

I'd love to give them 2 more shots...or even use these picks in a larger trade to get another star.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject:

Wags will be a starter!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:36 am    Post subject:

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2014 2 46 Jordan Clarkson
2015 1 27 Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2 34 Anthony Brown
2017 1 27 Kyle Kuzma
2017 1 30 Josh Hart
2017 2 42 Thomas Bryant
2018 1 25 Moritz Wagner (from Cleveland via Portland and Cleveland)
2018 2 39 Isaac Bonga (from New York via Philadelphia)
2018 2 47 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (from Denver via Utah and Chicago)


Interesting. So in order.

1. 6th man
2. rotation player
3. bust
4. Starter level/6th man
5. Starter level/6th man
6. didn't pan out.

Wags can be a rotation player.
Bonga is a ?.
Svi will be a rotation player IMO.

Not bad.

I'd love to give them 2 more shots...or even use these picks in a larger trade to get another star.


too early to say Starter Level/6th man for both Kuzma and Hart.

too early to label this years draft aswell

T bryant was a cap casualty. he can still pan out but for the wizards
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

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Lakers probably only offered a one year deal. He wanted a longer one and a more prominent role. Just didn’t work out.


That's what it came down to. It's not like the Lakers didn't want him back. They just didn't want to do it on his terms. JR had a really good season and felt he deserved to be part of the team's long-term plans but the team felt he still needed to prove it.
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Lakers probably only offered a one year deal. He wanted a longer one and a more prominent role. Just didn’t work out.


That's what it came down to. It's not like the Lakers didn't want him back. They just didn't want to do it on his terms. JR had a really good season and felt he deserved to be part of the team's long-term plans but the team felt he still needed to prove it.


I could see a "Jules, we can only do 1 year, but you will be in limbo next year as we aren't committing to you. Can you live with that?"

I can see why Jules passed and asked to be renounced (which the Lakers didn't have to do).
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2014 2 46 Jordan Clarkson
2015 1 27 Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2 34 Anthony Brown
2017 1 27 Kyle Kuzma
2017 1 30 Josh Hart
2017 2 42 Thomas Bryant
2018 1 25 Moritz Wagner (from Cleveland via Portland and Cleveland)
2018 2 39 Isaac Bonga (from New York via Philadelphia)
2018 2 47 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (from Denver via Utah and Chicago)


Interesting. So in order.

1. 6th man
2. rotation player
3. bust
4. Starter level/6th man
5. Starter level/6th man
6. didn't pan out.

Wags can be a rotation player.
Bonga is a ?.
Svi will be a rotation player IMO.

Not bad.

I'd love to give them 2 more shots...or even use these picks in a larger trade to get another star.


too early to say Starter Level/6th man for both Kuzma and Hart.

too early to label this years draft aswell

T bryant was a cap casualty. he can still pan out but for the wizards


It's not too early. Kuz/Hart are already 6th man/starter level type players. They just happen to have better guys ahead of them or different preferred players. At worst Kuz/Hart are proven rotation players.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject:

Trouble is, no matter how hard you work or how amazing your numbers are, if you are an undersized 5, you need to be a defensive virtuoso like Green or you gotta be able to space the floor with an outside shot. It's really that simple.

And between Lebron, Kuz, and BI, the 4 was too crowded for him. Kuz and BI fit the play style better and have more potential than Randle.

That's just business.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject:

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If he would have come back on a 1 year deal, it's hard to understand why the FO wouldn't bring him back. He was our best player last year.


They don't have any room for him. There is a huge gap between what some Lakers fans saw in him and what the rest of the world thinks of him.

There obviously aren't any GM's who think he's a future star. I think he is universally looked at as a guy who can be a stat filler on a losing team. I think playing in New Orleans will make people forget all about him. I don't think he will get away with any offensive fouls on a team like the Pels and if he isn't allowed to be overly physical, he's extremely limited.

The Lakers made a good decision to move on from the Clarkson Randle Nick Young core.
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