until Lonzo proves to be more consistent at his shooting I dont see him as a shoo in closer.
I have Hart as a more safe bet to be a regular closer
I'm good with Hart closing as well, but Lonzo is either the second or third best basketball player on this team. He needs to be on the court as much as his body/health will allow.
Health permitting, Lonzo will prove his value this season.
If the Lakers are up by 20:
Wagner, Stephenson, Beasley, Hart & Kuz will be fine
If it is a tight game:
LeBron, McGee, Ball, KCP and Ingram (their best defenders) _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
finally. everyone assuming Lonzo is a shoo in. Not if they start hack a zo-ing. WHoever said Hart, might be more accurate.
THere would not be a consistent end game lineup, it would all depend on the situation. I think Zo's ft troubles are a big deal and can't see him in there if they start intentionally fouling and its a 1-pt game or something. I can see Beasly replacing someone there if they need scoring, half those guys are brick machines (kuz, rondo, lbj to a degree but they would never keep him out).
THe problem is on defense all these guys are fantastic. SO if i were coach i'd be switching multiple players in and out as the poessisions change as much as possible because we don't have many great at D AND great at offense guys. No timeouts used until the last 5 minutes!
Rondo is not fantastic on defense. Lonzo is already light years ahead of him.
Plus, in end game scenarios, you would want switchable defenders and Lonzo has that over spades against Rondo. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
If the Lakers are up by 20:
Wagner, Stephenson, Beasley, Hart & Kuz will be fine
If it is a tight game:
LeBron, McGee, Ball, KCP and Ingram (their best defenders)
Good to see that you included a rebounder in your lineup, that often gets overlooked.
It's nice to know that my expertise in being an arm-chair analyzer doesn't go unnoticed...! thanks _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
LBJ, Kuz, McGee, BI, and I hope Lonzo because if he's not means he wasn't really worth being picked at number 2 overall and i don't want Magic to be wrong
Just don't see it with his weak scoring ability, FT's, and even partially his stamina issues, (and you need all those to be solid as a starting PG on a playoff level team)
Logic is telling me it will be Rondo, would like it to be Lonzo, cause that will mean he's got his issues fixed.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:06 am Post subject:
greenfrog wrote:
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
Ummm, where is Lebron? _________________ Never argue with stupid people! They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!! - Twain
Right now, Ingram is the only one that has put himself in the 100% category.
Eventually, Lonzo will join him in that 100% category.
The other two spots will almost always come down to the matchup but I can see Hart, Kuzma, KCP getting the opportunities more then other guys. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:05 am Post subject:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense.
It's what makes the best sense from a basketball perspective. SVG basically said the same thing for the same reasons when it was brought up, although he had the final spot between Lonzo and Ingram. What Luke will decide is up in the air. It's not like not starting, which is a total ego trip. I seriously doubt though the FO is going to micro manage his in-game decisions down to the minute like you seem to believe.
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I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense.
It's what makes the best sense from a basketball perspective. SVG basically said the same thing for the same reasons when it was brought up, although he had the final spot between Lonzo and Ingram. What Luke will decide is up in the air. It's not like not starting, which is a total ego trip. I seriously doubt though the FO is going to micro manage his in-game decisions down to the minute like you seem to believe.
I don't think the FO is going to micro manage his in game decisions, I think Luke values Ingram just as high as them. The only guy to not be benched last year in the 4th out of the whole team is Brandon Ingram, the only guy. Luke was on record saying "Ingram is taking his first steps towards becoming an all star".
Ingram this off season has been the only player next Bron and Javale who has been starting 100% of the games even though Kuzma probably deserved a shot. Ingram is leading us in minutes (yes it's probably going to be Lebron), and he's top 2 in shot attempts.
I just don't see why people think our second best scorer at this point, a guy that can make an effect on the defensive attempt, a guy that can score and playmaker will be on the bench for Josh Hart and an inconsistent shooter like KCP.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've seen nothing from Luke or watching these games that shows me anyone but Lebron gets the benefit of the doubt over Ingram. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:29 am Post subject:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense.
It's what makes the best sense from a basketball perspective. SVG basically said the same thing for the same reasons when it was brought up, although he had the final spot between Lonzo and Ingram. What Luke will decide is up in the air. It's not like not starting, which is a total ego trip. I seriously doubt though the FO is going to micro manage his in-game decisions down to the minute like you seem to believe.
I don't think the FO is going to micro manage his in game decisions, I think Luke values Ingram just as high as them. The only guy to not be benched last year in the 4th out of the whole team is Brandon Ingram, the only guy. Luke was on record saying "Ingram is taking his first steps towards becoming an all star".
Ingram this off season has been the only player next Bron and Javale who has been starting 100% of the games even though Kuzma probably deserved a shot. Ingram is leading us in minutes (yes it's probably going to be Lebron), and he's top 2 in shot attempts.
I just don't see why people think our second best scorer at this point, a guy that can make an effect on the defensive attempt, a guy that can score and playmaker will be on the bench for Josh Hart and an inconsistent shooter like KCP.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've seen nothing from Luke or watching these games that shows me anyone but Lebron gets the benefit of the doubt over Ingram.
Because outside shooting with Lebron doing the majority of the ball handling is more far important than having another iso player/playmaker on the floor. I think that's conventional wisdom at his point, frankly.
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense.
It's what makes the best sense from a basketball perspective. SVG basically said the same thing for the same reasons when it was brought up, although he had the final spot between Lonzo and Ingram. What Luke will decide is up in the air. It's not like not starting, which is a total ego trip. I seriously doubt though the FO is going to micro manage his in-game decisions down to the minute like you seem to believe.
I don't think the FO is going to micro manage his in game decisions, I think Luke values Ingram just as high as them. The only guy to not be benched last year in the 4th out of the whole team is Brandon Ingram, the only guy. Luke was on record saying "Ingram is taking his first steps towards becoming an all star".
Ingram this off season has been the only player next Bron and Javale who has been starting 100% of the games even though Kuzma probably deserved a shot. Ingram is leading us in minutes (yes it's probably going to be Lebron), and he's top 2 in shot attempts.
I just don't see why people think our second best scorer at this point, a guy that can make an effect on the defensive attempt, a guy that can score and playmaker will be on the bench for Josh Hart and an inconsistent shooter like KCP.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've seen nothing from Luke or watching these games that shows me anyone but Lebron gets the benefit of the doubt over Ingram.
Because outside shooting with Lebron doing the majority of the ball handling is more far important than having another iso player/playmaker on the floor. I think that's conventional wisdom at his point, frankly.
Seems like your opinion more then conventional wisdom, frankly. Just look at the way this team is designed and look at the offense being run.
You bring up SVG's opinion like it means something but ignore everything that our (bleep) own head coach has shown. So far, everything points to Ingram finishing games 90% of the time unless he has a terrible game. We'll see if your theories come out to be true _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:35 am Post subject:
2019 wrote:
LeBron is 100%
BI is 100%
After that... who knows. Will be two of Lonzo, Hart, Kuzma, Rondo
Yeah Lebron and BI will be in at the end. Everyone else will be dictated by matchups/situations. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:49 am Post subject:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
I think Lonzo has to be there for his defense; Hart and KCP for their shooting. So it comes down to Ingram, Kuzma or McGee.
Great thread, btw.
If you think Lonzo, Hart and KCP are in for sure but Ingram isn't then frankly, you haven't been keeping up with the Lakers.
Is this what you hope or are we predicting what the coaching staff and FO have shown us? Cause otherwise this makes no sense.
It's what makes the best sense from a basketball perspective. SVG basically said the same thing for the same reasons when it was brought up, although he had the final spot between Lonzo and Ingram. What Luke will decide is up in the air. It's not like not starting, which is a total ego trip. I seriously doubt though the FO is going to micro manage his in-game decisions down to the minute like you seem to believe.
I don't think the FO is going to micro manage his in game decisions, I think Luke values Ingram just as high as them. The only guy to not be benched last year in the 4th out of the whole team is Brandon Ingram, the only guy. Luke was on record saying "Ingram is taking his first steps towards becoming an all star".
Ingram this off season has been the only player next Bron and Javale who has been starting 100% of the games even though Kuzma probably deserved a shot. Ingram is leading us in minutes (yes it's probably going to be Lebron), and he's top 2 in shot attempts.
I just don't see why people think our second best scorer at this point, a guy that can make an effect on the defensive attempt, a guy that can score and playmaker will be on the bench for Josh Hart and an inconsistent shooter like KCP.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've seen nothing from Luke or watching these games that shows me anyone but Lebron gets the benefit of the doubt over Ingram.
Because outside shooting with Lebron doing the majority of the ball handling is more far important than having another iso player/playmaker on the floor. I think that's conventional wisdom at his point, frankly.
Seems like your opinion more then conventional wisdom, frankly. Just look at the way this team is designed and look at the offense being run.
You bring up SVG's opinion like it means something but ignore everything that our (bleep) own head coach has shown. So far, everything points to Ingram finishing games 90% of the time unless he has a terrible game. We'll see if your theories come out to be true
We've barely had a look at it, tbh. Lebron's only selled out in one game so far, and Ingram did not look comfortable for whatever reason.
Let's not forget Luke's job is on the line, basically. There's far more pressure on him now for his team to perform rather than develop and nurture players' psyches. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he'll be more cold-hearted and analytical approaching questions like this.
finally. everyone assuming Lonzo is a shoo in. Not if they start hack a zo-ing. WHoever said Hart, might be more accurate.
THere would not be a consistent end game lineup, it would all depend on the situation. I think Zo's ft troubles are a big deal and can't see him in there if they start intentionally fouling and its a 1-pt game or something. I can see Beasly replacing someone there if they need scoring, half those guys are brick machines (kuz, rondo, lbj to a degree but they would never keep him out).
THe problem is on defense all these guys are fantastic. SO if i were coach i'd be switching multiple players in and out as the poessisions change as much as possible because we don't have many great at D AND great at offense guys. No timeouts used until the last 5 minutes!
Neither Kuzma, KCP or Rondo are fantastic on defense. Lonzo is a better defender than all of them.
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