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| LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
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He had some swag on some of his buckets tonight. Yeesh.
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | He probably has the best floater in the game right now. |
It's so cash. He's worked hard on his game and it's paying off. It was such a shame how he was viewed and treated here. People wanting him to fail. Love to see his game really being showcased and directly contributing to a lot of W's.
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| KBH wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
Points per 100 Possessions
Rookie Year = 23.4 vs 15.8
2nd Year = 26.5 vs 23.0
3rd Year = 29.2 vs. 23.2
4th Year = 30.6 vs ???? |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
Points per 100 Possessions
Rookie Year = 23.4 vs 15.8
2nd Year = 26.5 vs 23.0
3rd Year = 29.2 vs. 23.2
4th Year = 30.6 vs ???? |
What's this nonsense?! Who plays 100 possessions in a game?? This invalidates any and all numbers you post ever again, analytics guy!
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I can finally talk openly about the brain trauma I experienced during the great "DLo per36" debates of Spring 2017.
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I feel vindicated but i also feel disgusted at the same tie. 
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| nickuku wrote: | | I feel vindicated but i also feel disgusted at the same tie. |
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How many big shots has this kid already hit?!
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| foshowtime wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | I feel vindicated but i also feel disgusted at the same tie. |
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Yeah. Was a rough few years being an ardent DLO supporter. Glad and sad to see him flourish in Brooklyn. |
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| nickuku wrote: | | I feel vindicated but i also feel disgusted at the same tie. |
He ain't out of the hater woods yet.
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Kid has "it".
Really think the Lakers should target him in the off-season if "maximum max Number 2" doesn't happen. It will be for far more than it would have cost to just hold onto him. But it is what it is.
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D'Angelo Russell (Last 5 Games)
26.2 PPG
3.8 RPG
6.8 AST
1.0 STL
2.4 TOs
53.5% Field Goal
48.8% Three Pointer
Nets are 4-1 in that stretch.
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| KBH wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
Russell has a ton of no shows too. Games where he doesn't do anything well. 2 pts and 1 assist type of games. I would argue that Ingram is a more consistent player and his head is in the right place. Russell, his head wasn't in the right place while he was on the Lakers. Not sure now, I don't follow him, BECAUSE HE ISN'T A LAKER and because he is not one of the better players. Just another player in the NBA.
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| MJST wrote: | Kid has "it".
Really think the Lakers should target him in the off-season if "maximum max Number 2" doesn't happen. It will be for far more than it would have cost to just hold onto him. But it is what it is. |
Don't think there is a chance after the comments Magic made about him. Media and Showtime brigade were too harsh on him. Only few guys like Trudell, GT was objective about his potential. Besides, he's in a great situation and in NY which he loves. I think he gets 80M/4 years minimum given even LaVine got that much. Should be looking at more though as he's more impactful than Booker now, but Nets are good at getting discounts. That Dinwiddie deal was great for them.
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| Wino wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
Russell has a ton of no shows too. Games where he doesn't do anything well. 2 pts and 1 assist type of games. I would argue that Ingram is a more consistent player and his head is in the right place. Russell, his head wasn't in the right place while he was on the Lakers. Not sure now, I don't follow him, BECAUSE HE ISN'T A LAKER and because he is not one of the better players. Just another player in the NBA. |
LOL. Get over it.
Just another 22 year old who leads his team to .500 or above in NBA. There must be so many of them.....not. Many hyped young stars even have secondary stars yet can't do that.
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Nets are 7-3 in the last 10 games. 6th in the East. Philly are 4th and Celtics 5th. Teams led by Kemba, Blake & Drummond, Beal and Wall are behind them. Four of them multiple all stars and experienced. No one would have expected this at the start let alone with LeVert getting injured.
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It hurts so good  |
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This stat is pretty insane to me.
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1086441501486391297
| Quote: | | D'Angelo Russell's 19 consecutive points scored are the most by any player this season. |
That's some Bron/KD/Steph type ish
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| Quote: | Reed Wallach
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D'Angelo Russell joins Anthony Davis as the only other player this season to score 40 points, have at least 7 assists and commit no more than 1 turnover. |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Kid has "it".
Really think the Lakers should target him in the off-season if "maximum max Number 2" doesn't happen. It will be for far more than it would have cost to just hold onto him. But it is what it is. |
Don't think there is a chance after the comments Magic made about him. Media and Showtime brigade were too harsh on him. Only few guys like Trudell, GT was objective about his potential. Besides, he's in a great situation and in NY which he loves. I think he gets 80M/4 years minimum given even LaVine got that much. Should be looking at more though as he's more impactful than Booker now, but Nets are good at getting discounts. That Dinwiddie deal was great for them. |
At this rate, I think his going price will be 100m/4 years...
Nets could sell high now or somehow figure out how they plan on working DLO, Spencer and Caris next season. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Kid has "it".
Really think the Lakers should target him in the off-season if "maximum max Number 2" doesn't happen. It will be for far more than it would have cost to just hold onto him. But it is what it is. |
lol I don't see Magic ever eating that crow if it ever comes to that. |
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| Wino wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | For everyone creaming over Russell remember he’s found his game in his 4th year. So for all the trade Ingram and Ball people remember that. He’s also going to make a lot of money next year. He was never going to get that here. |
Ingram will never be that type of offensive player. |
Ingram averaged more than Russell in year 2 (16.1 to 15.6) and so far in his third year (16.2 to 15.5). Russell is more of an explosive scorer type no doubt, but the reality is that a lot of Ingram's scoring ceiling is going to be determined by how his jump shot progresses. He can get to the rim, and he can shoot over the top of people. That doesn't mean a lot if he can't hit his jumpers. |
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two. Calling this a negligble difference in scoring is being extremely generous to Ingram. Especially considering the high end scoring ability that Russell has shown more regularly than Ingram, which you're underselling, imo. Your third year comparison also ignores that D'Angelo only averaged 25.7 mpg last season while Ingram averaged 32.6 mpg. Which, again, is a negligble difference at best for Ingram. And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context. You can debate who is the better PLAYER for sure. But if you actually watch them play and place everything in context, there's no question who the better SCORER is. |
Russell has a ton of no shows too. Games where he doesn't do anything well. 2 pts and 1 assist type of games. I would argue that Ingram is a more consistent player and his head is in the right place. Russell, his head wasn't in the right place while he was on the Lakers. Not sure now, I don't follow him, BECAUSE HE ISN'T A LAKER and because he is not one of the better players. Just another player in the NBA. |
Lots of players have have no show games in their first and second seasons. One could argue Ingram had an entire no show rookie season. That said, it's humorous that you stepped into a thread about a guy just to say you don't follow players who aren't Lakers. |
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| bonkers wrote: | | Quote: | Reed Wallach
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Well, he'll be a FA this summer, bout to get paid |
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